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    beside the horrible things he did, Hitler somehoe managed to turn the German economy, that was experiencing one of it's worst recessions ever, into a modern production cannon in the 1930's. Unemployment went down spectacularty, hyperinflation stopped and the general level of wealth rose sharply.

    How did he do it? Offcourse some part of the wealth was stolen from first the jews and later conquered people in Europe, but there must have been more behind it.


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    Putting everyone to work with the spoils of war, not a bad idea. Gold and other such rare resources being the only thing that holds it's value in times of war. Currency does little good if nobody will trade with you. Gold on the other hand can always be traded. Germany is now a pretty well off country. Let's just hope they never make the same mistakes a third time. I doubt they will. My wife and I are both of German heritage, at least partly. I think it's where I get my superiority complex


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    Hitler channelized all the resources into building a resource hungry war machinery that could get further resources only by invasions. In effect he pushed Germany into a vicious circle that should not be and cannot be stopped otherwise it would collapse.
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    ohh i can discuss this.

    ok.. first ... the whemir republic.. they were starting to get back on there feet after the crippling effects of the TREATY OF VERSAILLES. but after the wall street crash in 28(i think) they lost the us loans.. and the ecconamy collapased...

    hitler.. was at the time .. a minor person.,. who was shouting his ideas around. he claimed the eccoamy WOULD infact colapase. he was right.. so the german people turned to him.

    becasue he was facist, he got backing of rich busssness men so as to stamp out communisim./ huge donations made the following possible

    so he started huge public works projects! the huge autoban. the 8 lane moterways. and other projects.. such as mining of coal and steal.

    unemployment fell. which meaing more money in familys/households people started paying tax which went back into the goverment. also because more money in their pockets... more spending.. this gave rise to demand in goods....

    factorys were open. one huge success was the founding of volks wagon! cheap cars based on the ford cars of americia. more jobs in the fatorys!!!

    the rich jews were thrown out of their buissness's and shops.. and poor germans took their place

    and last but not least .. if you got no other job.. in the public works...shops...factorys.... there was the glorious path of the GERMAN army!

    hitler was an evil man.. but did bring germanny back to a ecconamic power.
    soem claim the treaty of versialles led tio world war two.... the-unfair-treaty to stop it... caused it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by everneo
    Hitler channelized all the resources into building a resource hungry war machinery that could get further resources only by invasions. In effect he pushed Germany into a vicious circle that should not be and cannot be stopped otherwise it would collapse.
    Exactly. I think the German economy of the 1930's is a rare example of a country concentrating all it's economic forces in one big explosion of production, that can only be sustained by expansion. A lot of investment went to the weapons industry, which gives temporary employment and welfare. But weapons pay no returns unless they're used, so without starting a war the investments would have been made totally unproductive. In that way one could argue that allready in the 1930's WW2 was unavoidable, unless other countries would willingly give up money and resources to Germany to sustain it's production. Chamberlain could have known..

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    some claim the treaty of versialles led to world war two.... the-unfair-treaty to stop it... caused it!
    Thats a difficult point. The treaty of Versailles only caused WW2 because Hitler used it as an excuse to start the war. Had the Germans played by the rules, they'd be finished paying reparations just 15 years ago and would now be the poorest country of Europe.

    But I guess one could say that the treaty at least helped create the circumstances in which fascism could take root (but again, wouldn't the 1929 depression alone have beeen enough to create such circumstances?)
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    Well, I'll give Hitler some credit. He did bring Germany out of the Depression. He said that all Germans should have an automobile. So he developed the Car of the People, also known as Volkswagon. He created jobs at an amazing rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poly_nightmare
    Well, I'll give Hitler some credit. He did bring Germany out of the Depression. He said that all Germans should have an automobile. So he developed the Car of the People, also known as Volkswagon. He created jobs at an amazing rate.
    Creating jobs isn't hard, the real challenge is creating sustainable jobs. The average developping country could be made rich by enormous government investments in unproductive sectors, financed by borrowing or printing money. The wealth would only last a few years, after which the government budget is depleted and the artificial jobs disappear again.

    And I also have to disappoint you about the Volkswagen. Until the end of the war there where hardly any of them in use outside the army. Only after the war, when the enormous Volkswagen factories were found idle by some German businessmen, there was large-scale production and the car became a success.
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    One thing Hitler did was train 100,000 soldiers. When they were done with training, he would send them off to jobs and train another 100,000 soldiers. The military was never 100,000 soldiers. After WWI, Germany couldn't have an army that large. As when war broke out, Germany suddenly has this huge army.

    One thing I am sure that Hilter did during the Depression years was to have people cut down part of the Germany forests and sometimes even replant them. I'm not entirely sure what jobs were created, but most were meager jobs, but they stayed around.

    *I may not be right on the size of the army. That was a guess on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by "Pendragon
    Thats a difficult point. The treaty of Versailles only caused WW2 because Hitler used it as an excuse to start the war. Had the Germans played by the rules, they'd be finished paying reparations just 15 years ago and would now be the poorest country of Europe.

    But I guess one could say that the treaty at least helped create the circumstances in which fascism could take root (but again, wouldn't the 1929 depression alone have beeen enough to create such circumstances?)
    i know, it can be argued feriouscly,
    but there is no doubt that th etreaty was extreamly unfair, which led to facisim ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    beside the horrible things he did, Hitler somehoe managed to turn the German economy, that was experiencing one of it's worst recessions ever, into a modern production cannon in the 1930's. Unemployment went down spectacularty, hyperinflation stopped and the general level of wealth rose sharply.

    How did he do it? Offcourse some part of the wealth was stolen from first the jews and later conquered people in Europe, but there must have been more behind it.
    Confiscation of Jewish wealth played no part in it . Germany launched into an arms build up which meant an industrial expansion . Hjalmar Schacht the German Minister of Economics funded this drive by financing from the Bankers . Loans were raised and this money was funnelled to the industrialists who had now geared their economy for war production . Nothing brilliant about it , in fact the US economy prospered under the Cold War arms race post WWII . Huge sums were raised and the industrial sector just built weapons . When the Cold war ended in 1989 so did the good times , the US economy is contracting and with a massive $7 Trillion debt . The gamble of the Nazi debt was that the war of conquest and exploitation of foreign lands was what wpould make good ion the debt .
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    Actually kind of frightening that every country could suddenly become powerfull, just by braking the rule of not spending more money then you can afford on the long term. The Soviet-Union could have done the same during the cold war (except that they didn't have the same access to credit as the nazi's had).
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    Isn't that exactly what the U.S did, to destroy the S.U.? Out spend them into oblivion?

    But "Crush 'em with Credit" isn't the best campaign slogan, is it?
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    The thing hitler did was to satisfie his people in a remarkable effective way.
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    Thats not hard to do. Only what has to be done is to put down individual greed to have everything for himself and not let other have some bits as well.

    Public owrks and major projects always being financial security to those that owrk in them and they can be well guided by the authority. It improves stability and power up the economy.

    So if you want to pump up the Republic.. make sure people have jobs from such projects... nurture the rich so they dunn emigrate in between and let creative people create.

    As i said only greedy (very bad. but integral partt of Humanity) can spoil those plans... Some guys want just too much too fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katulus
    As i said only greedy <..> can spoil those plans... Some guys want just too much too fast.
    Do you mean that you think the big projects of Germany in the 1930's (the highway system, hydro-electricity facilities etc) would have led to durable welfare if they weren't exploited by greedy people?

    I think this would be incorrect. It's nice to have a modern highway system, but it doesn't generate money in itself. When the building is done, the workers are unemployed again and you don't have the money to start a new project for them. (having money was a relative thing in that period. I think most of these projects were funded by printing new money and taking the inflation for granted. You can only do this for a short period of time offcourse, so even if you take printing money in account there are still limits to your spending).
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    The way I see it, Hitler maintained a huge bureaucracy throughout the duration of the war, allowing for the German peoples to have confidence in their government. The sheer amount of paperwork generated from this bureaucracy was able to confirm what the Brittish already acknowledged, they could never pay back their debt in a seeming amount of time.

    They used this to justify the keeping of the Ruhr even after Brittish threats, leading to the eventual start of the war. Their economic recovery has been mostly covered in this thread already. The whole jewish situation was a huge trick.

    He tells a dude to build the desecration centers during a particular time of jewish upheavel. They obviously connected this to their own demise, but because Hitler's propaganda machine that was convincing other countries not to go to war with Germany, he could sidestep accusations quite easily.

    So when Jewish leaders who are quite argumentive start dissapearing, nobody notices, and when these desecration/terrorism centers are built, they end up ignoring the plight of the Jewish kind within their own population as the Jews are shipped off to concentration camps.
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    "Public owrks and major projects always being financial security to those that owrk in them and they can be well guided by the authority. It improves stability and power up the economy."
    I agree, once the economy is put back on track, you can have a gradual shift from public work back to the recovering private sector.

    "When the building is done, the workers are unemployed again and you don't have the money to start a new project for them"
    You may be missing the point, a large portion of the infrastructure (carefully selected) is likely to be required anyway at some point in time so you might as well build it when the economy is down, this provides security and revenues that circulates in the economy, when the economy starts rolling again you have the added benefit of infrastructure that makes lvining conditions better and provides a more efficient base to support the economy.

    "I think most of these projects were funded by printing new money and taking the inflation for granted"
    Thats an excellent policy but we have been brainwashed to reject this off hand. Nations (and not bankers) should be printing money to minimize the need to buy or borrow currency(gold or fiat) at interest from bankers. You need to keep it level with economic activity to offset inflation/deflation and when you print more for strategic periods the money needs to go directly in the pockets of workers for projects that benefit the society, increase productivity or maintain/repair infrastructure, and once the strategic period is over you have to negate money(destroy tax dollars) to get back to the economic activity equilibrium. In doing so you are NOT dependant upon nor under the control of private interests(bankers or foreign) who can levrage this power against the interests of the people or the nation, and you dont pay interest which can sometimes amount to several times the amount borrowed.

    Canada did this by the end of the 1930s when the banking racket was uncovered, it was able to build roads, hospitals, fund social programs, Universal health care, build one of the largest naval fleet in WW2(for acountry with a relatively small population), all with a tiny debt. But the Banking Racket was not made part of the school curiculum as it should have had, and so Bankers were able to bribe politicians in the 1970s to borrow at interest for no reason other than to fatten the bankers that bribed them, the Canadian debt has been rising since while more and more of the total taxes go to pay interests instead of paying for health care and services. We have paid way more than the initial loans and still have huge interests to pay. Were shafted and its hard to wake people up, the bankers have politicians in their pockets and have the Media dance to their whim so the racket wont be easily revealed has it had been in the 30s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley

    Confiscation of Jewish wealth played no part in it . Germany launched into an arms build up which meant an industrial expansion . Hjalmar Schacht the German Minister of Economics funded this drive by financing from the Bankers . Loans were raised and this money was funnelled to the industrialists who had now geared their economy for war production . .
    Well Mr. Foley, here you are sadly mistaken. Theft of Jewish property started as early as 1935 when Jews were not allowed to emigrate without handing over most or all of their property to the NSDAP and related organisations. And the spoils of war were just figured in the equation by default. And lots of Jewish people were forced to "sell" thier businesses to "Arian" owners for an absolutely ridicolous price. Just ask the largest mail-order company in Germany - name's "Quelle" which means fountain/spring. They can tell you. And after the Nazis started to remove Jews from public life either by expelling them from Germany or putting them away in concentration camps their houses or appartments were given to other "Arian" people. Or take for example the work by artists deemed "deviant" by the Nazis. Basically everything that was abstact art. The artists were forbidden to work in Germany but their artwork was confiscated and sold to collectors all over the world.
    So what Hitler did was basically steal, plunder, rob, maim and kill for the so-called "success" of his economy. The war for him was an inevitable necessity to keep this machine up and running. There was nothing spectacular about this. He was a puny thief when it comes to economics. And lots of Germans profited from this. One reason for the general population to keep their mouths shut that they were well off until 1943 when the tide started to turn.

    And for all his other good "ideas" like the Autobahn and the Volkswagen. They did either not come from him (Autobahns were first invented in the 1920ies) or did not work out (the Volkswagen became a success under the name Beetle in later years)
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    I'm pretty sure most of the stolen jewish property went into the hands of corrupt politicians rather than the general treasury. So, it's possible it didn't contribute very much to the country's success.

    What did contribute was the free labor. Those concentration camps were work camps, and they didn't even have to feed the workers enough to live on for very long before they gassed them.

    Another thing about killing off the jews is that they tended to hold the more prestigious positions in society as business owners or academics, and their absence lead to a decrease in competition for those jobs. With the really low order jobs being done by slave labour, the unemployment rate was not only solved, but solved in a way that made Germans feel successful in life.

    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo
    "Public owrks and major projects always being financial security to those that owrk in them and they can be well guided by the authority. It improves stability and power up the economy."
    I agree, once the economy is put back on track, you can have a gradual shift from public work back to the recovering private sector.

    "When the building is done, the workers are unemployed again and you don't have the money to start a new project for them"
    You may be missing the point, a large portion of the infrastructure (carefully selected) is likely to be required anyway at some point in time so you might as well build it when the economy is down, this provides security and revenues that circulates in the economy, when the economy starts rolling again you have the added benefit of infrastructure that makes lvining conditions better and provides a more efficient base to support the economy.
    A lot of those buildings will be privatized or given/sold to businesses to use, which saves them building a lot of infrastructure for themselves and lowers their start-up costs.

    The hardest part about getting a private business going is amassing enough capital so that you can start benefiting from an economy of scale, and etc, early on.


    "I think most of these projects were funded by printing new money and taking the inflation for granted"
    Thats an excellent policy but we have been brainwashed to reject this off hand. Nations (and not bankers) should be printing money to minimize the need to buy or borrow currency(gold or fiat) at interest from bankers. You need to keep it level with economic activity to offset inflation/deflation and when you print more for strategic periods the money needs to go directly in the pockets of workers for projects that benefit the society, increase productivity or maintain/repair infrastructure, and once the strategic period is over you have to negate money(destroy tax dollars) to get back to the economic activity equilibrium. In doing so you are NOT dependant upon nor under the control of private interests(bankers or foreign) who can levrage this power against the interests of the people or the nation, and you dont pay interest which can sometimes amount to several times the amount borrowed.

    Canada did this by the end of the 1930s when the banking racket was uncovered, it was able to build roads, hospitals, fund social programs, Universal health care, build one of the largest naval fleet in WW2(for acountry with a relatively small population), all with a tiny debt. But the Banking Racket was not made part of the school curiculum as it should have had, and so Bankers were able to bribe politicians in the 1970s to borrow at interest for no reason other than to fatten the bankers that bribed them, the Canadian debt has been rising since while more and more of the total taxes go to pay interests instead of paying for health care and services. We have paid way more than the initial loans and still have huge interests to pay. Were shafted and its hard to wake people up, the bankers have politicians in their pockets and have the Media dance to their whim so the racket wont be easily revealed has it had been in the 30s.
    Any time the government gets too intertwined with the private sector it stops looking out for the country. It's like a parent giving into the demands of their children too much. The private sector only knows how to look at things on the very smallest scale : what they want for themselves as individuals. They don't really care if the whole country burns in the process of them getting what they want.

    Or maybe they care a little, but they're blind to it. Big picture thinking is always somebody else's job, even if they've empowered themselves to the point where it's impossible for anyone else to do it.
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    I'm pretty sure most of the stolen jewish property went into the hands of corrupt politicians rather than the general treasury. So, it's possible it didn't contribute very much to the country's success.

    What did contribute was the free labor. Those concentration camps were work camps, and they didn't even have to feed the workers enough to live on for very long before they gassed them.
    Well, some of the property went into the pockets of the Head Honchos of the Nazi party like Goering, Himmler, Frank etc. Or why do you think Goering was able to afford his castle Karinhall, his yacht and other goodies? Hitler himself did not have expensive hobbies and was living a fairly modest lifestyle for all we know except from his private refuge on the Obersalzberg in the Alps. But a surprisingly large portion of the stolen jewish property went into such endevours like the "Kraft durch Freude" - "Power by Happyness" - organisation who sponsored vacations for the Germans, and other social benefits like paid sick leave (yes this is an invention of Adolf) or subsidized food and soonandsoforth. Happy people don't stand up for their neigbors when they are sent off to Dachau and Auschwitz.

    Slave labor was also a rather big factor. There were an estimated 5 to 6 million POWs from the USSR alone that kept the industry going. So labour cost was not really an issue for the Nazis.
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    Sure, he did a great job to bring up german economy on track, but the nazi empire lasted for what, like 12 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faron
    Sure, he did a great job to bring up german economy on track, but the nazi empire lasted for what, like 12 years?
    Obviously he did a shitty job and the war was inevitable to keep his economy running.
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    You guys should also bear in mind that when you take your country to war, you can make your people do what you want. He created the illusion of an enemy within and externally and cut germans off from the rest of europe. He had the entire german population under his control. the economy was bound to be boosted. He instilled a fierce patriotism and an energy that had been lost. Military production was an easy matter for him to do, and that always comes with economic benefits. Look at the expansion of the vietnam war? that was solely for profit than politics.


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    You can always solve unemployment by paying people to do something utterly useless, like run around in a hampster wheel all day, or shuffle papers, or worse...... have them build tanks and guns.

    In the end, it's all built on entropy, so it can never last.
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    He achieved it through massive loans from the international bankers. Ironically those were the very same people he perceived to be the real enemy. And even more ironic; his mother got pregnant in a Rothschild house.

    When push came to shove and the loans had to be repaid, war was the only option. So in a sense Hitler didn't start the war, the bankers did. They knew this of course, after all, they'd been financing the other side all along, like in so many centuries before.

    Scary thing is, these guys still run our economic system, central banks and major financial institutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    beside the horrible things he did, Hitler somehoe managed to turn the German economy, that was experiencing one of it's worst recessions ever, into a modern production cannon in the 1930's. Unemployment went down spectacularty, hyperinflation stopped and the general level of wealth rose sharply.

    How did he do it? Offcourse some part of the wealth was stolen from first the jews and later conquered people in Europe, but there must have been more behind it.
    I think this was pretty easy to do since all the actions aim to start a war of the extend of wwII. Did you never think
    about it yourself? Street building, here the 'Autobahn' specially which was unheard of before and anything else.

    The armament of the military, structuring the entire German folks in preparation of the war. Don't look at it so close.

    See it on a larger scale. There was nothing good about it and you can't anything learn from it as well. Only thing
    perhaps, other nations will be watching closely for any nation which was about do as the NAZI Germany preparing
    for WWII. Iran these days I think was closely monitored with respect to such symptoms. Hopefully they will realize this before they get nuked. It's maybe even only short for China to jump on that wagon.

    I think history even shows that other nations will not have the support of the people to drop or launch atomic bombs in any other ways. The U.S. do! Guess why? Sorry I went off topic.

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    The Nazis (i say nazis not specifically hitler because he is just one man) REALLY did nothing good for Germany, in the end millions of Germans died, every major german city was destroyed, the nation became split for 51 years or so, the German moral and trust dissapated so much, real spirit died, passion, before the nazis modernist really exemplify the passion present, afterward a complete vacum of passion in all of western Europe, read camus' THE FALL. Cynicism and athiesm became justified
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    This posts are fascinating, I never linked that much economy to war itself.
    It does really make a huge difference. War itself is so little bit less Ideological than economical.

    But I guess we can't associate this to our daily days?

    I mean long term thinking, even for the soldiers, admiting you boost jobs, economy by making war, Soldier come back one day, like German ones, and than they become useless. Just the psychological factor or the fact that they can't do other thing than fight.

    I guess war itself is a way to boost economy on a short term of time until you find other alternatives. Or it's a way to hide current situations on economy.



    Now I believe for Hitler it was much more than local economy and there was a real desire to conquest all around.

    Now I read some Canadian reports like 2 month ago. It is interresting to see that 2 years before 2nd world war, Canadian Services were invastigating on German people who we're looking for lands up north. They found out few years ago that a German submarin refueling base was made on east coast of Canada.
    I guess the war was planed long ago before it actualy started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley
    Germany launched into an arms build up which meant an industrial expansion . (...) Nothing brilliant about it , in fact the US economy prospered under the Cold War arms race post WWII . Huge sums were raised and the industrial sector just built weapons . When the Cold war ended in 1989 so did the good times.
    This is something I have never understood. Leaving all moral questions aside such as the wrongness of warmongering, just talking money and wealth: how can an economy bloom by producing something that is not used?

    Apparently, the Nazi German economy was out of depression long before the guns actually spoke and fetched the spoils of war. The weapons of the Cold War lay idle most of the time (which, thankfully, is why we are still here), except for a few bloody but localized proxy wars. And yet, economically, their manufacture proved worthwile.

    I mean, can this technique be scaled down? Like, if I don't have enough food or winter fuel in my home, can I make myself richer if I start building a monstrous catapult in my back yard, designed to smash my neighbour's house, but never used for that or any other purpose? It would surely keep me employed because I'm no expert on catapult design and manufacturing, so I'd have to do a lot of research, and then engineering, and manual labor, keeping busy all the sectors of this one-man economy. But somehow, for all my pains I don't feel I'd be less hungry - unless, or until, the contraption really breaks down the neighbour's wall and brings his well-filled fridge within range of my greedy fingers and teeth. So how does it work for a national economy, if it's so obviously absurd for a household?
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    How well were Volkswagens recieved in Hitler's time? Did this boost the German economy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottspieler
    How well were Volkswagens recieved in Hitler's time? Did this boost the German economy?
    Germans where told to save up like 5 Mark (Reichsmark back then I think ) a week or month to purchase a VW Kfer (Beetle ) after a little while. That never worked since WW II, and everyone lost this money, as far as I do know.

    It's a horrific vehicle btw. I think. It gets nasty cold in winter time since the air cooled engine was put to the back of the car. Even the windshield blurs indoors by freezing. Today about the same idea was called Riester Rente (Riester pension), named after the inventor.

    I was asked to apply and to sign several times which I didn't. You know, it was the way they approach you. In case you do know more about it, please let me know. How about you?

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    Was meinst du? Ich habe nichts untergeschrieben..ich komme aus Amerika und bin nur 24 Jahre alt. Hast du in der Vergangenheit ein Auto von das Dritte Reich gekauft mssen? Was wird mit jemand der verzichtet htte passieren?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottspieler
    Was meinst du? Ich habe nichts untergeschrieben..ich komme aus Amerika und bin nur 24 Jahre alt. Hast du in der Vergangenheit ein Auto von das Dritte Reich gekauft mssen? Was wird mit jemand der verzichtet htte passieren?
    No that's not. It reminded me on it somehow. Are you learning German in school?

    Btw. I don't think there where any negative effects but folks never got the car the saved up for. I just do know about it by reading history books and watching TV and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller
    Quote Originally Posted by gottspieler
    Was meinst du? Ich habe nichts untergeschrieben..ich komme aus Amerika und bin nur 24 Jahre alt. Hast du in der Vergangenheit ein Auto von das Dritte Reich gekauft mssen? Was wird mit jemand der verzichtet htte passieren?
    No that's not. It reminded me on it somehow. Are you learning German in school?

    Btw. I don't think there where any negative effects but folks never got the car the saved up for. I just do know about it by reading history books and watching TV and so on.

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    Ja, ich studiere Deutsch an einer Universitt. Warum willst du nicht auf Deutsch antworten?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottspieler
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottspieler
    Was meinst du? Ich habe nichts untergeschrieben..ich komme aus Amerika und bin nur 24 Jahre alt. Hast du in der Vergangenheit ein Auto von das Dritte Reich gekauft mssen? Was wird mit jemand der verzichtet htte passieren?
    No that's not. It reminded me on it somehow. Are you learning German in school?

    Btw. I don't think there where any negative effects but folks never got the car the saved up for. I just do know about it by reading history books and watching TV and so on.

    Steve
    Ja, ich studiere Deutsch an einer Universitt. Warum willst du nicht auf Deutsch antworten?
    Firstly, I don't like you tone somehow. Secondly other user might want to read the thread too, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller
    Quote Originally Posted by gottspieler
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    Was meinst du? Ich habe nichts untergeschrieben..ich komme aus Amerika und bin nur 24 Jahre alt. Hast du in der Vergangenheit ein Auto von das Dritte Reich gekauft mssen? Was wird mit jemand der verzichtet htte passieren?
    No that's not. It reminded me on it somehow. Are you learning German in school?

    Btw. I don't think there where any negative effects but folks never got the car the saved up for. I just do know about it by reading history books and watching TV and so on.

    Steve
    Ja, ich studiere Deutsch an einer Universitt. Warum willst du nicht auf Deutsch antworten?
    Firstly, I don't like you tone somehow. Secondly other user might want to read the thread too, you know.

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    You don't like my tone...I wrote nothing that could even mildly be interpreted as rude. Tell me exactly what the problem is...please
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    Next thing you want me to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller
    Next thing you want me to know?

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    I don't understand what you mean...
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    Boom boom ... boom boom.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyj4ciJk34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller
    Boom boom ... boom boom.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOyj4ciJk34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leszek Luchowski
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley
    Germany launched into an arms build up which meant an industrial expansion . (...) Nothing brilliant about it , in fact the US economy prospered under the Cold War arms race post WWII . Huge sums were raised and the industrial sector just built weapons . When the Cold war ended in 1989 so did the good times.
    This is something I have never understood. Leaving all moral questions aside such as the wrongness of warmongering, just talking money and wealth: how can an economy bloom by producing something that is not used?

    Apparently, the Nazi German economy was out of depression long before the guns actually spoke and fetched the spoils of war. The weapons of the Cold War lay idle most of the time (which, thankfully, is why we are still here), except for a few bloody but localized proxy wars. And yet, economically, their manufacture proved worthwile.

    I mean, can this technique be scaled down? Like, if I don't have enough food or winter fuel in my home, can I make myself richer if I start building a monstrous catapult in my back yard, designed to smash my neighbour's house, but never used for that or any other purpose? It would surely keep me employed because I'm no expert on catapult design and manufacturing, so I'd have to do a lot of research, and then engineering, and manual labor, keeping busy all the sectors of this one-man economy. But somehow, for all my pains I don't feel I'd be less hungry - unless, or until, the contraption really breaks down the neighbour's wall and brings his well-filled fridge within range of my greedy fingers and teeth. So how does it work for a national economy, if it's so obviously absurd for a household?

    It's a good point, in a way. If you get enough people united in doing any arbitrary task, you can take that massive group and give it other jobs to do that would fail if you only had a handful of people to do them with.

    One problem with the natural course of capitalism is that all businesses, by necessity, must start small. That means that, for industries that can't exist in a small scale, only a large scale, new companies will never come into existence.

    How likely is it that a third competitor will emerge in the Satellite TV market (besides Dish Network, and Direct TV)? It might happen, but you can't just start a satellite TV business in your garage.


    Quote Originally Posted by harvestein
    You guys should also bear in mind that when you take your country to war, you can make your people do what you want. He created the illusion of an enemy within and externally and cut germans off from the rest of europe. He had the entire german population under his control. the economy was bound to be boosted. He instilled a fierce patriotism and an energy that had been lost. Military production was an easy matter for him to do, and that always comes with economic benefits. Look at the expansion of the vietnam war? that was solely for profit than politics.


    Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the
    leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a
    simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a
    fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
    Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
    the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
    being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
    for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
    country.”
    --- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg
    Trials after World War II.
    This tells me the general purpose of war, at least in Europe, is to help the aristocracy solidify their control over their people. It explains why, after his defeat at Waterloo, Napolean was punished by being imprisoned on an island in relative luxury for the rest of his life.

    The common folk of countries hate each other in war, but the leaders secretly smile to each other. Churchhill can basically say to Hitler "Gee thanks buddy. You've got my people eating out of my hand. "

    Well... he might say it secretly. Publicly he hates the guy worse than anybody, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Churchhill can basically say to Hitler "Gee thanks buddy. You've got my people eating out of my hand. "

    Well... he might say it secretly. Publicly he hates the guy worse than anybody, of course.
    Well Hitler ended up dead, so I don't think they were too buddy-buddy.
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    It's fair to say they inadvertently cooperated. And look at WWI. The war had the same effect as a massive & cynical conspiracy. I remarked in another thread how, in a way, Hitler was the Zionist's greatest supporter. And there's no conspiracy in that.

    George Bush ought to write Osama bin Laden, thanking him. And vise versa.

    We need a word for unintentional collusion, when it functions like conspiracy but isn't. Naming a thing gives us power over it. We need to own this.
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    I'm sure Osama's a bit more scared, now that Bush doesn't need him anymore, if he's even still alive.

    My bet on Osama is that he probably turned out to be too much of a moderate, so his own people killed him in order to keep his hard liner image alive. (Rather than let him ruin it by saying reasonable things.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Churchhill can basically say to Hitler "Gee thanks buddy. You've got my people eating out of my hand. "

    Well... he might say it secretly. Publicly he hates the guy worse than anybody, of course.
    Well Hitler ended up dead, so I don't think they were too buddy-buddy.
    Um... yeah..... cause he killed himself......

    Besides, Churchill's only true friend was popular support. He'd gladly betray his good buddy Hitler to get more of that.
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    Actually the German economy was starting to recover from the effects of Hyperinflation about a year before the Nazis came to power.

    However, considering they owed the Allies 6,600 million, they weren't going to survive unless they stopped paying the reparations.

    Frankly, I blame Congress for Hitler's rise to power and subsequent world war.
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    Does anyone know if the money owed to the allies after WW1 contributed to the Hyperinflation under the W Republic?

    Im interested in learning moe about Hyperinflation, if they printed more money, who got that money, and what service or products did the receiver produced for or in Germany in exchange?
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    Hyperinflation occurred as a result of the Wall Street Crash and the subsequent Depression. Germany at that time was relying on American loans to drag itself out of the economic ruin it was in at the end of WWI. When the Wall Street Crash happened, all American loans were immediately withdrawn, and Germany was not only broke again, but severely in debt. The Government in power at the time (The SDP, I think) decided to print more money to solve the problem. This, of course, caused Hyperinflation, stealing of wheelbarrows etc...

    I don't think the reparations had any significant effect on the Hyperinflation, however it did add to the mounting debt facing Germany and was hated universally by all Germans, many of whom were almost to the point of not being able to buy food as savings and pensions were now worthless etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo
    Does anyone know if the money owed to the allies after WW1 contributed to the Hyperinflation under the W Republic?

    Im interested in learning moe about Hyperinflation, if they printed more money, who got that money, and what service or products did the receiver produced for or in Germany in exchange?
    When you give a foreign power money in your currency, they usually turn around and spend it on something. Even if they don't, just the fact they can forces your economy to raise prices in anticipation.
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