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    Was Napoleon Bonaparte greatest than Caesar or Alexander?

    I leave here a video I created about the Emperor of the French.
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    all men of their time
    Napoleon Bonaparte was an artillery master. His brand of warfare would not have been possible for caeser, alexander, nor hannibal. Moscow was a zip bang winner.


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    Neither Caesar or Alexander lost. Napoleon did.
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    Then one day he stood in front of a cannon and became Napoleon Blownapart.
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    Find it odd most people only know him for his military achievement, when his largest and most enduring achievements were in the major reformations of France's infrastructure, educational system, legal systems many of which became successful examples for other nations to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Find it odd most people only know him for his military achievement, when his largest and most enduring achievements were in the major reformations of France's infrastructure, educational system, legal systems many of which became successful examples for other nations to follow.
    A thanks Lynx_Fox... you beat me to the punch.

    As a European myself, I know Napoleon for both his warfare and his reshaping of Europe. I think the latter is actually his greatest achievement.

    I like the OP post,... but I find it difficult to compare Napoleon to Alexander, Ceasar, ... I'd like to add Genghis Khan to the list. ... And I am sure there are plenty of great generals cq leaders the OP left out.
    My personal preferences go to Temujin aka Genghis Khan, The Great Khan of the Mongolian Empire, as the greatest leader this world has ever seen.... purely seen from, his personal standpoint, the horrors of his early life and what he accomplished during his life. ... But the accomplishements of Ögedei Khan (son of Genghis, but the 3rd ruler of the dynasty) should surely not be underestimated too.

    Alexander, Ceasar and Napoleon did not have such a bad and horrible upbringing as The Great Khan had.

    Do not forget... the 3 mentioned in the post are purely seen as superior great leaders in the west. Alexander The Great is hated in many eastern countries, like Pakistan and I think India too (not sure about the last country). Alexander was utterly ruthless and only lived for the greater glory of himself. A very bad personally quality to have as a leader. Of the about 50 cities named/build Alexandria... not one is left. Once he left Macedonia to go on his great conquest... he never returned as he died... speculation about his death, most likely assasinated by his friends. I have great respect for Alexander's military accomplishments (did he ever loose a single battle?),... but as a political leader and a builder of nations... he sucked. Even the in Europe considered Barbarian Atilla The Hun was more aware of nation building and did more for his own people,... then Alexander ever did, imho. Correct me if I am wrong on this.

    I would consider Ceasar to be like Alexander. He was ruthless, but atleast he showed more political wisdom then Alexander, eventhough that also got him killed. Ceasar is awesome, his victory over Vercingetorix is so legendary,... if you did not know about it and only read a novel about it,... it would be hard to believe this actually happened. Eventhough history is written by the victors, and Ceasar most likely spiced up the finer details in his letters towards Rome. It was a victory never seen ever after, in that timeperiod.

    Napoleon,.. what to say about him? Yes he was a great General and military leader,.... no doubt about that! But he made many mistakes too. His lecagy though, still lives today in alot of modern European countries, like in the legislative judicial system and in many country reforms.

    For instance, if I recall this correctly,... one of the improvements he did in my country (the Netherlands) was to do a census and make it mandatory forevery family name to be made offical from then on after. Funny thing is people did not take it serious back then,... and made up silly and stupid family names,... so about two centuries later some people still have a horrible last names because of it.

    Example: you have people in my country that are named 'Naaktgeboren'.. which derives from two words 'naakt geboren' which transaltes into english as 'born naked'

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    Anyway @Rubinero... Nice video! But I still prefer this one:



    I think one of the best movies about Napoleon I have ever seen is the 1970 production "Waterloo" (with Orson Welles as Napoleon!!).

    Here is a link to the full movie on YT:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estheria Quintessimo View Post
    Example: you have people in my country that are named 'Naaktgeboren'.. which derives from two words 'naakt geboren' which transaltes into english as 'born naked'
    ROFL. Can just imagine the bemused irony of the next several generations as they realized grandpa had out of spite or humor created that legal name which they were now stuck with to do everything from getting married, buying property etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Estheria Quintessimo View Post
    Example: you have people in my country that are named 'Naaktgeboren'.. which derives from two words 'naakt geboren' which transaltes into english as 'born naked'
    ROFL. Can just imagine the bemused irony of the next several generations as they realized grandpa had out of spite or humor created that legal name which they were now stuck with to do everything from getting married, buying property etc.
    Well it is fact in the Netherlands that the name 'Naaktgeboren' exists. The reason I mentioned this name is because I vividly recall a short story my grandfather (rest his soul, though as an atheist I do not believe in souls) once told me: he recalled a mariage from his youth of a female named 'Indewei' with a male named 'Naaktgeboren'

    So the name of the female would then be 'Naaktgeboren - IndeWei'
    In Dutch 'Indewei' is the same as 'In de wei' which would translate into english as 'In the meadow'

    So the name of the female was 'Naaktgeboren-Indewei' which would translate into english as 'Born Naked In The Meadow'
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    Alexander the great for sure made mistakes... just like Caesar did and every good leader general human but I think alexander the great was the smartest and strongest of all... he captured the old known world... in just couple years... an none ever can beat his record... he was just 34 when he was murdered as for ghengis khan ...he did much for his own people...???? I don't know he ever did anything like any Mongolian they never stayed to long on one place...
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    Alexander the great for sure made mistakes... just like Caesar did and every good leader general human but I think alexander the great was the smartest and strongest of all... he captured the old known world... in just couple years... an none ever can beat his record... he was just 34 when he was murdered as for ghengis khan ...he did much for his own people...???? I don't know he ever did anything like any Mongolian they never stayed to long on one place...
    Ha, I had not seen this responds untill now. But we are basically having a convo about this in another topic already today.

    Your idea is,...forum member blackscorp,... on Mongolian history is that Genghis Khan did not do much for his own people,... and that the horde never stayed to long in one place?

    What silly things are you basing this on?

    If Genghis Khan did nothing for his own people,... then the Mongolian people today, would not consider him a great leader,... but they do.

    How many historical leaders of the past do you know, that absolutely sucked in their job of supreme leader of the country which did do nothing for the people,... but are considered superior leaders still today by their people? I would gather... NONE!

    I am not sure about this,... but I believe I saw somewhere that in a museum in Ulan Bator (Mongolian Capitol City) they still have the old official banner on display that was used in the time of Temujin. I recall it being a pole with a circle on top,... and on that circle are several black tails (I think it is) which represent the tribes he united under one banner. But I could not find that information so quickly to validate this claim I make here,... so disregard this.

    You said:
    I don't know he ever did anything like any Mongolian they never stayed to long on one place...
    Well duh,... the Mongolians had a horse mounted army for most of the time, though they did do Siege Warfare in many cities, like in China and India. Mounted Horses was the core of the army. It was fast and movable and it is what allowed them to conquer just about the greatest empire the world has ever seen. But to claim 'they never stayed to long in one place' is your misconception of facts. They did stay in alot of places. After the Mongolian Empire was at its max size, many years after the Great Khan died,... it got eventually carved up in various Horde areas of rule, due to heir-disputes. To prevent civil war, they carved it all up. Which ofcourse, is always the death of a great nation. We can see that the carving up of territory, in many ancient nations in history, becomes the ultimate death of that original nation and culture,... as carving up means less individual power per area, smaller armies, and the tendicy to be overrun by greater powers, as you nullified your own backup by... carving it all up. That is what was the death of the Mongolian Empire.

    However,... several parts of the Mongolian era survived for hunderds of years after the carving up. Trouble is that they got so intermixed with local cultures,... they became not reckognizable as Mongolian Hordes. But the leaders still had Mongolian blood in them. There is no doubt about that.

    Parts of the initial Mongolian Empire that survived for a very long time:
    - Russia. It took a long time "to get rid of it all" in Russia... Put parts of the "Golden Horde" (as it was named in Russia) survived well into the 1800. By then not much was left.
    - India. The Mughal empire claimed direct ascendance from Genghis Khan.

    So if you want to see left over legacy from Mongol ancient rule... the Taj Mahal... is one.

    Wiki Mughal Link:
    Mughal Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sure by then it was all watered down from the initial Mongolian legacy,... and it all was culturally intermixed... but it is proof the Mongolian legacy endured for many centuries after the initial claiming of none tribal lands.
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