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  1. #1 Alexander the Great 
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    Okay, I love him. Let's just start off with that. I've already heard all the that's impossible, you don't know him, if you think that you don't know what love is, et cetera arguments, so don't bother with them... I know it doesn't make sense, but I do love him.

    Continuing on, the fact that I love him isn't really the point of this thread even if it is the reason I created it. The point is simply to discuss him.

    I think he was a good person (and a brilliant military leader, but that's not the part that's the most important to me). He made some mistakes, did some things that I think were wrong of him to do, such as wanting to conquer the world. But considering he had goals of world conquest, he was a very compassionate and not nearly as arrogant as you would expect. He also wasn't into the whole raping and pillaging thing, which makes him a lot better than most of the people at the time... it's one thing to be against that now when socially you're expected to, but back then you weren't and he was anyhow. He loved his friends, respected his enemies, and was loved by an awful lot of the people he conquered considering he had just invaded their country.

    He had a lot of problems, he went a little crazy toward the end of his life (more than a little, after Hephaestion died), but I think anyone who has read a great deal about him will know what I'm talking about when I say that his spirit was beautiful enough that all of his mistakes become, not excusable in any way, but forgiveable. I can't help but like him, because he inspires an almost motherly need to protect him.


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    I agree, cool guy. And if anyone brings up all that gay crap I think I shall have to slay them.


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    What did Alexander really add to the world? He finished his fathers conquest of Greece (to who's benefit?), and brought an overstretched empire down (or rather, changed it's name and form. for normal people nothing really changed in Persia). Why does that make him a good man?

    Btw, you're right he wasn't overly arrogant. He just claimed to be the son of the Egyptian sun-god :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    What did Alexander really add to the world? He finished his fathers conquest of Greece (to who's benefit?), and brought an overstretched empire down (or rather, changed it's name and form. for normal people nothing really changed in Persia). Why does that make him a good man?

    Btw, you're right he wasn't overly arrogant. He just claimed to be the son of the Egyptian sun-god :wink:
    What makes you think that I base my opinion of him as a person on his accomplishments? And how is it bad that he didn't radically change life for the people he conquered?

    He affected the world very much; whether it was in the long run a good thing or a bad thing, I can't say. He furthered knowledge at the time, but that could eventually have bad effects. He's inspired a lot of people, some to do good things and some to do bad. He was no more in charge of the long-term affects of his actions than the rest of us are, and I doubt that you would want to be judged in thousands of years on the basis of how much the things you do now are still noticeable then. I know I wouldn't.

    As for being the son of a god, have you read much Greek history? Being the son of a god wasn't considered all that outrageous back then. Especially if a person was a King, when someone told them they were the son of a powerful diety they went with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beryl
    He's inspired a lot of people, some to do good things and some to do bad. He was no more in charge of the long-term affects of his actions than the rest of us are, and I doubt that you would want to be judged in thousands of years on the basis of how much the things you do now are still noticeable then. I know I wouldn't.
    True, Julius Ceasar for example. And I guess judging people afterwards is a difficult thing. I just think Alexander was just another guy trying to be the strongest, as everyone else. He was just more succesfull. So yes, he was defnititally a very succesfull man, but was he 'good'?

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    As for being the son of a god, have you read much Greek history? Being the son of a god wasn't considered all that outrageous back then. Especially if a person was a King, when someone told them they were the son of a powerful diety they went with it.
    That's right and actually I was teasing you with it Every Egyptian pharao was the sone of the sungod (and when he dies, he becomes king of the underworld), so Alexander could only become leader of Egypt by accepting this status.

    Have you read Greek history? I've read Thucidides histories and some stuff about Philippus V (by a roman historian, can't remember his name) and the Persian wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by "Pendragon
    So yes, he was defnititally a very succesfull man, but was he 'good'?
    I think he was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    Have you read Greek history?
    I've read some... mostly Alexander oriented things since he's my main interest, but of course in the process of that I've picked up some general history and I've read several National Geographic articles and such. I also recently got a book called The Will of Zeus: a history of Greece from the origins of Hellenic culture to the death of Alexander, which I am planning to read as soon as I get around to it.
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    If you are interested in Macedonian history in general you might like some parts of Ab urbe condita libris by Livius (about the Macedonian wars, somewhere in books 21-45). Gives a nice idea of the end of the Macedonian kingdom (about 150 years after Alexander).
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    Okay, thanks. I'll have to check that out.
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    I see him as a military leader with extraordinary energy and intellect who accomplished a lot in a very short time.

    By the way, what did you guys think of the movie Alexander?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitewolf
    I see him as a military leader with extraordinary energy and intellect who accomplished a lot in a very short time.

    By the way, what did you guys think of the movie Alexander?
    I didn't dare watch it, because I anticipated it really pissing me off. Plus I didn't want to support it. I may rent it from a video store someday just so that I know exactly how stupid it is.
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    I've read a few things about Alexander, mostly about his upbringing. I guess i admire his education more than anything else. He was taught on the hands of a great philosopher, and even though his parents were a bit crazy, he turned to be a completely different person(yes, he tried to complete his father's conquest), but he was also very intelligent. He had the power and the wits. I guess what i'm trying to say, that he was a complex person, but one who could be easily admired. His education helped him, yet he was determined to succeed.
    His life was a mixture of Luck and hard work, which when combined produces a legend.

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    Just a thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beryl
    I think he was a good person (and a brilliant military leader, but that's not the part that's the most important to me).
    He was indeed a brilliant military leader, but can you explain to me, why he was also a good person. Look what has done to Tyrus.
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    Mediocre at best. He benefitted from a well-oiled propaganda machine, a prodigy-father who spent his youth with a truly innovative general, and a military foe that was technilogically stagnant.
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    He was more a political genius than a military one. I think that's why he's so well remembered. He didn't just conquer Persia. He married Darius III's daughter, and was thereby able to claim the throne both by right and by military conquest. It was that gesture among others, such as cutting the Gordian Knot, that really moved him forward. He was wise enough to recognize that silly stuff like that would matter more than any amount of tactical efficiency, because he was able to persuade enemy kingdoms and armies to simply give up and join him, thereby never having to fight them in the first place.
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    JX, in the time of Alexander people had both male and female lovers, pretty much was bi, at least that's the impression I got from a documentary on him and Philip.
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