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Thread: Jesus into voluntry exile, the isle of Patmos.

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    I've believed for a long time that it was prudent for Jesus of Nazereth to make himself scarce shortly after he was rescued from his friends burial crypt. I have believed for a long time that he was alive if unconsious when taken down from his crusifixtion apparatus. Remember the scriptures tell us that it was barely 24 hours he remained crucified. Because of the pending Sabbath permission was given for his removal. Now, on his revival, he is said to have appeared before some of his deciples, yep, this is what I think happened. And, as I said, he was in mortal danger of suffering his fate over again, at the hands of the San Hedrian (sic). There were sea going fishing boats to be had and there would have been little difficulty in smuggling him away to Patmos. westwind.


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    If you are questioning the Biblical account, why not go the whole way and question whether the whole incident ever happened, or even if Jesus actually existed. It isn't really even history, so I'm not so sure it belongs here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by westwind View Post
    There were sea going fishing boats to be had and there would have been little difficulty in smuggling him away to Patmos.
    And then he might have had children who went on to found the great ruling families of Europe. What a great idea for a novel. Someone ought to write it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    There were sea going fishing boats to be had and there would have been little difficulty in smuggling him away to Patmos.
    And then he might have had children who went on to found the great ruling families of Europe. What a great idea for a novel. Someone ought to write it...
    Or Jesus was a twin. During the gap between childhood and adulthood, the twins were brainwashed and prepared. Then, while one brother perished on the cross, the other was able to emerge from the cave without a scratch on him, having won the coin toss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westwind View Post
    I've believed for a long time .
    Is there some particular reason you chose to believe this?
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    Dear John Galt. Yes. very much so. Because I believe that logic dictates that this kind of action could very well have taken place. Jesus lived. Maybe his departure from Jurusliam was to be of a tempory nature. We will never Know that. Because Monks had a monastry on Patmos, and, incidently, one had to be whinched up in a cane basket to enter the Monastry, and it was far enough removed from the immediate climate of rebellion in Jurusliam to suit both the Romans and the Jewish San-Hedrian. He would not have been pursued. The Bible account, written 175? years later, to suit the blossoming religious movement, and to do with a strengthening of a National spirit within Israel to survive Roman Politics and influence, would have been made more interesting. westwind.
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    I'll ask in a more detailed way: why do you choose to believe this barely plausible option out of scores of other options?
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    As for fishing boats, his chief 3 disciples were all fishermen. I'm pretty sure the Romans confirmed that he was dead on the cross by stabbing him with a spear, though. Also, the cause of death in most crucifixions was suffocation. Basically one of the reasons it hurt so much and was so sadistic is because the victims had to push off of their nailed feet, and pull on their nailed hands in order to keep bringing themselves up into a position where their lungs could work to bring in air. The real cause of death was exhaustion. If you merely passed out up there, you would then suffocate and die almost immediately. (So if you ever are crucified, and want it to hurt less remember: just hold your breath till you pass out - you'll die faster.)

    I would suspect that the place where they stabbed him was in a lung, so as to confirm death by suffocation by seeing if the lungs were full of fluid, but I'm not sure about that part.
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    Dear John Galt. So there are other options?. Scores of them?. I choose to believe this option because i Believe it is the most plausible. It is not my intention to change what people think, it is merely to suggest there may be some truth in what I believe. As there may not be another opportunity I had better make a clean breast of it and declare that I also believe that Jesus and the John of the last book in the New Testiment were one and the same person. There, I've said it. Now, John Galt, this is what I believe, and will go on believing it until someone points out that my beliefs are wrong because of the following facts. end Quote. Read here that I cannot tell you why I believe, because this will only be going around in circles. Sufficient to say that I have at times had a glance through the new Testment. Also on occassion through the old testiment. And maybe had a look at what has been presented from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Please don't tell Meteor Wayne, I don't think he likes me. westwind.
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    Dead Sea scrolls all predate Jesus Christ, if I'm not mistaken.

    You have an interesting hypothesis. A man who knows it isn't safe to be out and about assumes a new identity and writes about himself? The Book of John is strange compared to the other 3 accounts of Jesus's life because the author never actually names himself as John and always describes John in the third person using terms such as "The Disciple whom Jesus Loved" or other indirect descriptions, never even naming the person described. The tendency to do this is probably a lot of the reason for people assuming John wrote it. Bu you know.... it could have been someone else, right? (Indeed, not unlikely that any number of those documents could have been forged by someone writing later anyway.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Dead Sea scrolls all predate Jesus Christ, if I'm not mistaken.
    The Gnostic Gospels might be more relevant. Maybe?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_Library
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    Thanks for the lead Strange. Been wondering where that got to. My memory dosen't have a drop window, now I have no excuse not to do a little more research. Older people don't know it all, only pretend they do. westwind.
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