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    Could somebody explain Hitler and the Nazis to me. What were they're evils. What were they're accomplishments. What was they're history. What do we think of them today?


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    This sounds like homework.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    This sounds like homework.
    I am just curious what other people think about the topic.
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    I think that the OP regularly asks questions here which should first be asked of google.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow View Post
    I think that the OP regularly asks questions here which should first be asked of google.
    I am only trying to get a quick professional answer. There is no reason for you to spam me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow View Post
    ???
    You posted a link to Google search engine instead of answering the questions. I'm not mad I just wanted solid answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow View Post
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    Oh I am sorry. You were showing me where to look. I clicked on your link and found out it was not just a link to Google.
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    Does fascism have a solid definition. If not what is the best relating to Adolf Hitler. Google links accepted.
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    I wonder if the Germans will ever reunite under one state again. Hopefully they wont believe in Nazism though. It is fine to believe in your race but you should not try destroy other races in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatt9876 View Post
    I wonder if the Germans will ever reunite under one state again. Hopefully they wont believe in Nazism though. It is fine to believe in your race but you should not try destroy other races in the process.
    Who are you reuniting? Essentially all Germans live in Germany (unless you want to unite Germany and Austria). Germans outside Germany are scattered minorities (except maybe the Swiss, who long ago indicated their wish for independence).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathman View Post
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    I wonder if the Germans will ever reunite under one state again. Hopefully they wont believe in Nazism though. It is fine to believe in your race but you should not try destroy other races in the process.
    Who are you reuniting? Essentially all Germans live in Germany (unless you want to unite Germany and Austria). Germans outside Germany are scattered minorities (except maybe the Swiss, who long ago indicated their wish for independence).
    Oh sorry, I thought nations such as Poland, Belgium, England, and the Netherlands citizens were mostly or partly Germanic peoples.
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    All i really want is a brief history and brief summary.
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    Look, this is a very delicate topic that cannot be summarised within a few sentences. There is a huge amount of documentation. In addition, this would do injustice to those that suffered and died under that regime. Read a book and you might be beginning to understand some of the issues involved. As an aside, I am German, and we have learned our lesson - except for a few idiots that will never learn anything. And the Polish are not of Germanic descent - it is a Slavic people. The two existing German states have reunited in 1990. Nobody wants to go back to the borders of the German empire of the late 1930s.

    Some facts anyhow: Adolf Hitler was born in what is now Austria. He served in WWI (first world war) as a simple soldier. In his young ages, he even went on the streets with the communists. His ascent was made possible on the background of a lost war and the economic crisis in the twenties. In these years, he created his own ideology of hatred and formed the scapegoat, the jews. He also was a failed painter. Like many, he presumably blamed others for his own early failures and illbeing.

    Mass unemployment laid the foundations for civil uprisings. Politics in Germany were unstable during these years of the first republic which finally collapsed with the coming to power of the national socialists. The republic was quickly turned into dictatorship with the goal to start another war, WWII.

    It was not Hitler alone, but an entire system of collaboration, blind obedience, nationalism and indifference that made the mass murders possible. All elements that opposed the regime, the jews and other ethnic minorities, were persecuted thrown into concentrations camps, abused, exploited as slaves and killed. This was all highly organised to a maximum perverted efficiency.

    Some may say that they had a few accomplishments like reducing the unemployment rate and improving the infrastructure - the infamous story that they built the autobahn. Fact is that the boom of employment was greatly due to the huge rearmament that was possible with the cost of a growing fiscal deficit that finally could only be balanced by looting the countries that were invaded during the war. In this sense, the state relied on the war to continue. Otherwise, it would have collapsed. The autobahn is a myth. The plans were already developed during the first republic, but could not be realised due to the ecenomic crisis. In addition, these broad roads had the purpose to move troops and war material quickly through the country.

    In summary, the national socialist party (NSDAP) was a criminal organisation. Their government was based on defamation, terror, exploitation and injustice which all was excused by a silly delusion of some races being more noble and superior than others. Science has shown that the idea of the "pure germanic people" is an illusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishmaster View Post
    In these years, he created his own ideology of hatred and formed the scapegoat, the jews.
    It was anything BUT his own ideology. Anti-antisemitism had always been part of Christianity and was vigorously argued by Martin Luther during the Protestant Reformation "If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country. Let them think of their fatherland; then they need no longer wail and lie before God against us that we are holding them captive, nor need we then any longer complain that they are burdening us with their blasphemy and their usury. This is the most natural and the best course of action, which will safe guard the interest of both parties." Martin Luther "On the Jews and Their Lies." There are numerous examples between Martin Luther and Hitler probably most important to Hilter were groups such as the Christian Social Party which grow in the mid and late 19th century Germany. Martin Luther's writings are used extensively by anti-semitics throughout Europe (and the US) during the 19th and 20th centuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
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    In these years, he created his own ideology of hatred and formed the scapegoat, the jews.
    It was anything BUT his own ideology. Anti-antisemitism had always been part of Christianity and was vigorously argued by Martin Luther ...
    Yes, this is true. I should have chosen my words more wisely here. Jews have always been discriminated, and much of it had its roots in chrisitan fundamentalism. However, Hitler's motivation was a bit different - and he definitely was not a christian. I'd say that he just used the already widely existing resentments about the Jews for his own agenda. He accused them to be responsible for the first world war, the economic breakdown and, as a result, the breakdown of the German society. I would argue that this is at least a different flavour of anti-semitism.
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    In this formative years of his movement his early writings and public speeches clearly show he considers himself a Christian.

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. "

    Such positions while rear today, were not so during the early 20th century.

    By WWII he was much less complementary of Christianity, but it's hard to separate his increasing condemnation of the church, who was posing resistance to his extreme solutions and seen as a threat, from his view of himself as a Christian.

    I would argue that this is at least a different flavour of anti-semitism.
    It was different because it was coupled with overwhelming political power--serving as yet another historical example of brutality derived from "religions of the book," when they gain unlimited power.
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    Anti-semitism coupled with political power in Europe wasn't new either: the Russian Empire's anti-Jewish pogroms, the Spanish Inquisition, Italian Ghettos, and Tudor England's deportation of the Jews. The real difference is the scale of the atrocities and the relative recentness of the Nazi regime.

    To add to that, eugenics practices, like the sterilization of the mentally handicapped or ill, were regularly practiced in countries other than Nazi Germany. And homosexuals liberated from the concentration camps were taken out of the camps and subsequently imprisoned, because the allies approved of that aspect of Hitler's ideology.
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    I've posted this before, but I sometimes wish that Von Moltke had followed the Shliffen plan at the outbreak of WWI, defeated France in 2 weeks so that Britain would have evacuated their expeditionary force and possibly not entered the war. The Germans would then have used their railway network to move their forces to the eastern front and defeat the Russians.

    There would have been no WW2 as all causes would have been eliminated, Lenin would not have been repatriated by the Germans to start the Bolchevik revolution, so no Communism, Stalin and years of cold war. And the economy of Europe would have been much more robust than it has been for the last 90 yrs.

    About 100000 people saved.
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    I recommend that you search on Wikipedia about Hitler and the nazis
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatt9876 View Post
    Could somebody explain Hitler and the Nazis to me. What were they're evils. What were they're accomplishments. What was they're history. What do we think of them today?
    Matt, see if you can hunt down an article on "authoritarian followers" for a very interesting sociological analysis of how certain types look for authoritarian leaders. If I happen to locate it in my bookmarks, I'll come back and drop the link here.
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    As Hitler issued what would become his political platform and an excuse for the extermination of his people, the peoples of Europe, the Jewish population and the Communist Party, remained in jail and the book was dictated to his secretary, Rudolf Hess. Due to the overwhelming sympathy for Hitler and the Nazi cause, Hitler was allowed to have visitors constantly during incarceration in Landsberg, including Hess, who was present most of the time to help with the daily tasks of Hitler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatt9876 View Post
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    I wonder if the Germans will ever reunite under one state again. Hopefully they wont believe in Nazism though. It is fine to believe in your race but you should not try destroy other races in the process.
    Who are you reuniting? Essentially all Germans live in Germany (unless you want to unite Germany and Austria). Germans outside Germany are scattered minorities (except maybe the Swiss, who long ago indicated their wish for independence).
    Oh sorry, I thought nations such as Poland, Belgium, England, and the Netherlands citizens were mostly or partly Germanic peoples.
    maybe you should try reading before thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatt9876 View Post
    I wonder if the Germans will ever reunite under one state again. Hopefully they wont believe in Nazism though. It is fine to believe in your race but you should not try destroy other races in the process.
    Dear Gott! First off, even Prince knows distinction between "they're" und "their". Germany IS united, but not all German-speaking peoples reside in Germany, see Austria, Switzerland. Oddly enough this was true at beginning of last century as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Finger Prince View Post
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    I wonder if the Germans will ever reunite under one state again. Hopefully they wont believe in Nazism though. It is fine to believe in your race but you should not try destroy other races in the process.
    Dear Gott! First off, even Prince knows distinction between "they're" und "their". Germany IS united, but not all German-speaking peoples reside in Germany, see Austria, Switzerland. Oddly enough this was true at beginning of last century as well.
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    Regarding "race", it is a myth founded upon trivial physical characteristics, breeding for a "Pure Aryan race" is an indignity to humanity and an affront to science. Not at ALL like the British and their Darwin and their "white man's burden", as Kipling put it, oh, no... Was there a Holocaust in Tasmania? There was certainly genocide- TOTAL genocide. And no memorial on the scale of WWII Juden, no reparations, no survivors to pay reparations to. So be "civilized", like Old Blighty, if you are going to practice wholesale slaughter, old chap.

    Incidentally, Hitler and other Fascists were identified as "MONARCHISTS" in the periodicals of the day, long live the bleeding Queen and the lot of 'em.
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    The Germans are united under one state. It's called Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quagmire View Post
    The Germans are united under one state. It's called Germany.
    Correct as all tautologies are correct. German speaking peoples reside in different states in Europe. It depends on whether one's definition is political, linguistic, or ethnic.

    Haitians speak French, but are not generally considered "French" by most people known to Prince.

    Ethnic Germans living in Czechoslovakia played important role in early Nazi expansionism.

    Sudeten Germans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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