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  1. #1 Best/Worst U.S. Presidents 
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    10. Ronald Reagan
    09. John Adams
    08. James Monroe
    07. Dwight Eisenhower
    06. Thomas Jefferson
    05. Harry Truman
    04. George Washington
    03. Franklin Roosevelt
    02. Abraham Lincoln
    01. Theodore Roosevelt

    Worst
    10. Jimmy Carter
    09. John Tyler
    08. Andrew Jackson
    07. Martin Van Buren
    06. Millard Filmore
    05. Andrew Johnson
    04. Franklin Pierce
    03. Ulysses Grant
    02. Warren Harding
    01. James Buchanan

    These are my opinions. What are yours?


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    I think it is too early to judge recent presidents, certainly any after Eisenhower.


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    From 9 down, on both lists, there are no recent presidents.
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    I am a little confused about your numbering. Are the 01's the best and worst or are the 10's (in your opinion) ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathman
    I am a little confused about your numbering. Are the 01's the best and worst or are the 10's (in your opinion) ?
    Pretty sure it's from 1(greatest) - 10(least).
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    I find it confused as well.

    Top Contenders:

    Washington
    Lincoln
    F.D. Roosevelt
    Reagan

    Among the worst few:
    Nixon
    Harding
    Tyler
    Grant
    Filmore
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    Best:

    George Washington
    Thomas Jefferson
    Abraham Lincoln
    John F. Kennedy
    Bill Clinton
    Dwight Eisenhower

    Worst:

    Jimmy Carter(but not really)
    George W. Bush
    Barack Obama
    Ulysses S. Grant
    Andrew Johnson
    James Buchanan
    Millard Fillmore
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    I agree that Eisenhower is the grading line. But my opinios are:
    Washington
    Lincoln
    fdr
    roosevelt
    wilson

    bad
    jackson
    hoover
    harding
    buchanan
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    The best American presidents according to me is

    George Washington
    Abraham Lincoln
    Thomas Jefferson
    Barack Obama

    I don't know which presidents I can count as the worst (according to me)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I agree that Eisenhower is the grading line. But my opinios are:
    Washington
    Lincoln
    fdr
    roosevelt
    wilson

    bad
    jackson
    hoover
    harding
    buchanan
    I'm surprised to see Jackson on the bad list. I would rate all presidents (except possibly Polk) between Jackson and Lincoln as worse, although Harrison and Taylor might be excused because their terms were short.
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    From Europe it looks lke George Bush cannot be beaten as the worst president of USA.
    But I never understood the American way of life, so I have no idea what makes a good president for you Americans - most likely bashing governmental welfare into non-existance & extricating the rich from that annoying duty to pay taxes.
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    I would put Washington at number one for establishing the institution on the right track.

    Andrew Jackson belongs at the bottom. He was the Slobodon Milosovich of his times. Let's start a petition to impeach him from our money.
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    Jackson should have stuck to killing Englishmen, he was good at it and it needed doing. 8)

    Nobody can call Obama a "dick", or will be consequences in land of formerly free.

    FDR greatest of 20th century, Lincoln greatest of 19th century, both steering nation through difficult times making it stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jduster View Post
    Best
    10. Ronald Reagan
    09. John Adams
    08. James Monroe
    07. Dwight Eisenhower
    06. Thomas Jefferson
    05. Harry Truman
    04. George Washington
    03. Franklin Roosevelt
    02. Abraham Lincoln
    01. Theodore Roosevelt

    Worst
    10. Jimmy Carter
    09. John Tyler
    08. Andrew Jackson
    07. Martin Van Buren
    06. Millard Filmore
    05. Andrew Johnson
    04. Franklin Pierce
    03. Ulysses Grant
    02. Warren Harding
    01. James Buchanan

    These are my opinions. What are yours?
    I never really thought much about a completed list, and yours looks pretty good to me except for two things. Jackson was actually real good in many ways that history forgets. He shouldn't be any where near the worst list.

    You forgot Barack Obama. Surely he is near the top worst?
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    There were a bunch of pretty miserable presidents in the latter half of the 19th Century and some wretched ones in the first half of the 20th. I haven't studied them in great detail but I've heard said about Warren G. Harding "It was impossible to keep enough whiskey, cigars and whores around for him." I will add the disclaimer I cannot find a citation for this.

    My concept of a 'bad' president is one who in total, hurts the U. S. either in morale, morality, economics, internal peace or defensive posture. Some presidents do some 'bad' things and make 'bad' decisions but also do 'good' things and make 'good' decisions.

    I appreciate Cherimoya's comment:
    From Europe it looks lke George Bush cannot be beaten as the worst president of USA.
    But I never understood the American way of life, so I have no idea what makes a good president for you Americans - most likely bashing governmental welfare into non-existance & extricating the rich from that annoying duty to pay taxes.
    This is a perfect example of the Marxist/socialist view of what is wrong with the U. S.

    One of the prime goals of the United States is to remove poverty by having people do something productive with their lives. Government welfare is best 'bashed into non-existence' by allowing private industry to employ them all. Cherimova's ideal is to tax people who do work to pay other people not to work.

    The idea of "...extricating the rich from that annoying duty to pay taxes" is a curious one in the United States. What sort of taxes? Can anyone point to a current or proposed law to exempt 'rich' people - whoever they are - from paying sales taxes? Where in the United States are 'rich' people exempt from paying property taxes? The bone of contention seems to be 'income' taxes. Oddly, when 'income' taxes are raised '... on the rich...' I pay more income taxes. I'm not what one would call 'rich'. At least not in the United States - for a typical Afghani, I'm incredibly rich. For a Somalian, I'm impossibly rich. And so are all of you who own your own computer, have more than one set of clothes and eat regularly.
    However, multi-millionaires and billionaires simply don't pay income tax. Because they have NO TAXABLE INCOME.

    So whenever anyone hears about 'raising taxes on the rich', no one is talking about people like John Kerry, Warren Buffet, George Soros, the late Teddy Kennedy or Bill Gates. (All Democrat, as it happens.) They do not pay income tax; they do not have sufficient 'income' - under the current tax regulations. Raising taxes on the rich only means the fifty percent or so of Americans who already pay taxes will pay more taxes. In other words, many of you.

    Back to good and bad presidents.

    Richard M. Nixon resigned from office in disgrace. His knowledge and participation of what is collectively known as 'Watergate' was disgraceful. On the other hand, while he was president, the nation ran well. Industry and commerce thrived over all, citizens were fairly safe in common life and the streets were paved. After his presidency, Richard Nixon redeemed himself by acting as special emissary for more than one president and fostered good will and trade between the U. S. and foreign countries, most notably China.

    To say he was the 'worst' president ever is an over-statement. I'll go for 'most embarrassing of the 20th Century'. History has already been kinder to President Nixon than the contemporary news services were.

    William J. Clinton is the runner up for 'most embarrassing president'. Famous for not being able to keep his trousers up and fastened, he mis-used his authority to suborn perjury, tapered with witnesses and bombed a rather vague factory in Somalia to distract the American public from his impeachment. On the other hand, he administered the nation well; keep the lights on and the grass cut and so forth (those are metaphors.) The nation ran pretty well under his administration, even if his friends and potential political embarrassments kept ending up dead. After his presidency, President Clinton has worked with various charities and seems interested in doing 'good things' in general. And no one seems to care with whom he sleeps these days.

    Franklin Roosevelt has long been revered as the modern father figure. In fact, he alone kept the 'Great Depression' depressed by his 'fixing'. FDR did keep up morale and spirits by his 'fireside chats'. He instigated Hoover Dam. He did many things like Social Security and the Civilian Conservation Corps and various 'work projects' that kept money out of the hands of private enterprise and therefore stifled the economy. And he married Eleanore. Gotta give him a break for that one. My late father told me once - in the 1960s or so - when Roosevelt was elected, he seemed the lessor of two evils. Then, it seemed FDR really did 'do something' for the nation. And in retrospect, was probably the lessor of two evils.

    George W. Bush is probably one of the most contemporaneously reviled presidents of our history. Mostly because he did what no Democrat president would do; fight Islamic terrorism. President Bush's great failing was to allow the Democrat controlled Congress to run up the federal budget deficit. It wasn't well done, but he could not control what Congress did in terms of spending. On the other hand, there were no attacks on U. S. soil after September 11, 2001 during his administration. So he did manage to provide a mechanism to prevent those attacks - and attacks were planned. Following his tenure, President Bush is continuing to support U. S. troops, visit wounded and disabled troops and in general support the well being of the U. S. History is already seeing him in more positive light.

    President Obama has done one or two positive things in personal freedoms. He lessened restraints on citizens in good standing possessing firearms in national parks. He has enlarged the retired officer concealed carry ability. These are good and positive things. He is extremely generous to his staff and political allies (with taxpayer funds). He reads well from a teleprompter. He looks good in a business or formal suit. He is courteous to all religions - except Christianity. On the other hand, he has no clue what makes a free economy operate. As for history, even Chris Matthew's leg doesn't tingle anymore.

    I agree, it's too early to tell. Presidents Clinton, Bush (43) and Obama will not be properly evaluated for a minimum of twenty years after they left office. That's 2021 for President Clinton and later for the other two. Nor will President Obama be properly evaluated until his depression is over. Not the one following the crash of 2008, the one generated by his stimulus and socialized medicine laws.
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    Can anyone point to a current or proposed law to exempt 'rich' people - whoever they are - from paying sales taxes? Where in the United States are 'rich' people exempt from paying property taxes?
    That's pretty simple. I live in Washington where no one pays sales tax. Rich people come from other states to buy sales free stuff here as well. I know the same happens in Texas (where I've also lived) and in many other states.
    The rich often own HUGE tracks of land zoned or otherwise considered of far less value than more residential property owned by the middle class--they get enormous deductions because of it. Others have long term leases with mineral and other rights for almost for free of National Forest lands.

    I don't hate the rich and like most people would like to be one, though not enough to prioritize getting that way above other important things, like service to country, family etc. My big concern for the nation is the increasing gap between poor and wealthy in the US because huge gaps are historically among the leading reasons for societal instability sometimes so severe they topple the government.
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    I also detect a bias in your comments....(Baby Bush fighting terror?) LOL
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