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  1. #1 History of USSR 
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    What follows is the ending of a longer message posted this morning of the POLITICS forum. The topic is "Communist Morality." This ending is likely to interest those who teach history in our schools.

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    The FREE book "Hell on Earth: Brutality and Violence Under the Stalinist Regime,"

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    http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/...roduction.html

    describes horrors with which most of you are probably familiar. But Section 3.7, entitled "Communist Morality," is probably worth reading and discussing on this forum (and possibly on History forum). Two more things worth reading are Chapter 7 and Section 4.5

    Chapter 7 is a discussion of Stalinism (by professors at Montclair State University). Section 4.5 provides numerical data on how little American students (also at Montclair State University) know about Stalin. This short and easy-to-read book was written for students like them. Please share the link with history teachers you know; perhaps some of them will assign this FREE ON-LINE book to students. It can also be a base for discussing idea of proletarian dictatorship, which unites all Marxists.

    Thank you in advance.


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    I think a lot of the answers to why people submitted so easily are found just in that Putin statement you cited: "people in Russia say that those who do not regret the collapse of the Soviet Union have no heart, and those that do regret it have no brain.""

    I think the ideology was sufficiently confusing that most people couldn't understand it well enough to question it. I find this is true of economic arguments in general. People just roll their eyes, because it seems impossible to verify the truth of any one economic argument over another without reference to statistics (and who believes statistics nowadays?)

    It's like a complicated maze. It won't enthrall you if you're not smart enough to be engaged by it, but it's only if you could make it to the end of the maze that you would clearly see it for the illusion that it is. In between those two levels of understanding, it seems too good not to be true. (And we could say that certain individuals were in positions where they got to see the end of the maze by virtue of standing where they could look at everything.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    I think the ideology was sufficiently confusing that most people couldn't understand it well enough to question it. I find this is true of economic arguments in general. People just roll their eyes, because it seems impossible to verify the truth of any one economic argument over another without reference to statistics (and who believes statistics nowadays?)
    OK, I was born in the USSR and it ceased to exist when I was 10. You see, there is an ideology in every country, and most people don't give a shit about it, if they have things to eat and to wear. Moreover, the happiness doesn't depend on ideology, rather it is how much you have of what you want to have. If that wasn't true, I suppose the suicide rate should have been much lower in capitalist countries.

    There are many examples, but the main point is that common people rarely thought of Lenin, the Party and communism in their daily life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axel_Carvalho

    OK, I was born in the USSR and it ceased to exist when I was 10. You see, there is an ideology in every country, and most people don't give a shit about it, if they have things to eat and to wear. Moreover, the happiness doesn't depend on ideology, rather it is how much you have of what you want to have. If that wasn't true, I suppose the suicide rate should have been much lower in capitalist countries.

    There are many examples, but the main point is that common people rarely thought of Lenin, the Party and communism in their daily life.
    What you wrote is probably true for most "common people." But idealists, both in Nazi Germany and in the USSR, were often happy to serve ideologies of their leaders. And even common people often what more than material comfort. You are probably familiar with the Russian saying "nie chlebom jedinym" (not with bread only). A Novel under this title, by Dudientsov (?), had a great effect on me, when I was a student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kowalskil
    Quote Originally Posted by Axel_Carvalho

    OK, I was born in the USSR and it ceased to exist when I was 10. You see, there is an ideology in every country, and most people don't give a shit about it, if they have things to eat and to wear. Moreover, the happiness doesn't depend on ideology, rather it is how much you have of what you want to have. If that wasn't true, I suppose the suicide rate should have been much lower in capitalist countries.

    There are many examples, but the main point is that common people rarely thought of Lenin, the Party and communism in their daily life.
    What you wrote is probably true for most "common people." But idealists, both in Nazi Germany and in the USSR, were often happy to serve ideologies of their leaders. And even common people often what more than material comfort. You are probably familiar with the Russian saying "nie chlebom jedinym" (not with bread only). A Novel under this title, by Dudientsov (?), had a great effect on me, when I was a student.
    So, in other words, the only people who care about a country's economic ideology are the ones who are wealthy enough to be isolated from its effect on their daily life, and the ones who care the least are the ones who are mostly likely to starve to death if the wrong ideology gets adopted.

    Human nature is very interesting...
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