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  1. #1 USSR, FRG, GDR, and East Prussia 
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    A popular German online magazine published an amazing rumuor today on their website. I provide a translation of this article via Google: http://tinyurl.com/26ke8bb
    (So, don't blame me for the poor translation.)

    The story: In pre WWII times, a province called East Prussia (a remainder of the previous state of Prussia) belonged to the German empire. After the war, it was distributed between the relocated country of Poland and the Soviet Union. German far right-wing activists always argued in favour of a re-integration of that province into post-war Germany. Now, it seems that during the negotiations about the re-unification of Germany in 1990 between the two German countries and the WWII allies, the Soviet Union allegedly offered to include East Prussia into the talks. But, this was refused by German officials.

    Quite a remarkable movement, if it can be officially confirmed.


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    Seemed like that would be the proper decision by German officials, no reason to be taking pre-WWII land away from Poland, it would have caused international outrage.

    Edit: Seems the situation is that after WWII the USSR divided East Prussia between Russia proper and Poland. Today half of what was East Prussia is in Poland and half is still part of Russia. Immediately after WWII most of the German residents were expelled by the Soviets.

    So, I have a feeling most of the Polish part of East Prussia was likely inhabited primarily by ethnic and linguistic Poles during the 90s and it wouldn't have been politically viable for a Democracy like Germany to reincorporate the territory.


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    What is the ethnicity of the current residents of the Russian part of East Prussia?
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    That is the issue the area has been polanized, just as it was germanized and the prussian tribe destroyed before it
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    Bismark must be sitting up in his grave screaming realpolitik, realpolitik.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathman
    What is the ethnicity of the current residents of the Russian part of East Prussia?
    After WWII, the Soviet/Russian part of it was colonised by Russians from central Russia and other provinces. Probably, the movement was motivated by fiscal considerations. East Prussia is an underdeveloped exclave, and maybe some factions wanted to get rid of this burden.

    Don't get me wrong. This idea is outrageous.
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    Bismark must be sitting up in his grave screaming realpolitik, realpolitik.
    Well said!
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    Lands in Eastern Europe constantly switched from nation to nation during history.
    In 6-th century AD large parts of Eastern Europe were populated by Ostgots tribes.
    Then Slavs populated the lands including present territory of Eastern Germany.
    Then German tribes conquered land and speaded to the East including part of modern
    Poland and Czech repuplic.Then we have modern territories on the map.History is
    constantly reshaping borders...
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    At the end of WW II ethnic Germans who lived in East Prussia, Baltics, and Czechoslovakia were forced to go to Germany. This also affected Germans who lived in eastern Germany when it ceded to Poland.
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    Yes, resetling always affects and hurts people.Still it is interesting historic fact that name of modern German city
    of Leipzig descended from Slavic name Lipsk and Dresden from Slavic Drežďany., because in 10-th century border
    between Slavic and Germanic tribes was Elbe river.If Germans want to return their pre-war territories...Well,they need
    talk to Poles and Russians.Maybe they will agree to enter under German soveraignety.As well as the rest of Poland and
    Russia.But Germas have choice to go freely in North America,Australia etc.Slavs only dream about such a possibility.
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