Thread: DaRk AgEs! YeAh RiGhT!!!

as we all know, or we think that we know, the dark ages that humans had, wasnt a dark age for all humans, it was a dark age, only for europe,
europeans, in that time, was in their own dark ages, sufering from wars, death, desieses, relegion and churches controlling everything, including the Ppapa, or something like that,
but in the other side, in the middle east, they had their golden ages, hundreds of invnetions, that still even used toaday, arabs, they invented surgery, chemistry, algebra, and developed it, camera basic, (the box with a hole in it to pass the light, and reflect a reversed picture), they tryed to fly, but didnt make it, isterlab, medecines, eyes glasses, mecanique, clock, arts, poetry, writing art, physics, ...
http://1001inventions.com/
and who said there was no women inventers, i mean, who women who invents, and have a part in science and univercties, check that site,
and check that video
http://www.facebook.com/silvergunn?r...2670729&ref=mf

etc...

it wasnt dark after all, science that arabs developed, created and invened, are even still used for toaday, including surgeries, eye glasses, ... you can see more, there's a whole 1001, they even invented the motor, that work with water vapor, it was a ball, with two piped from both sides, each pipe is not straigt, but, with an angle, when water vaporaize, it make the ball turns, and that is called, water vapor motor, but when he invented it, he didnt know what to do with it, he just invented it

http://www.facebook.com/silvergunn?r...2670729&ref=mf
http://1001inventions.com/


i'll try to find a full documentary film of the 1001 inventions, i hope i can find a full film, it's just wonderfull =)


http://muslimheritage.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHeqj...eature=relatedrr

yeah the dark ages is an outdated term no longer used by historians...so...this post really has no point

in the middle east, they had their golden ages

was that followed by a dark age equivalent later on as religion started to strangle knowledge and questionning of authority to replace it by thats the way it is because god (or holy book) says so? Because it sure looks like progress stop dead in its tracks while the renaissance witnessed a questioning of religion and monarchic authority along with growth of curiosity, questioning, observation, testing and science.

I believe the rotating steam ball 'motor was invented by the Greeks. As well, a lot of other Arab discoveries/inventions were developed from Greek thinking and ideas. This is likely because the Arabs stored and did not lose Greek knowledge like Europeans did after the fall of the Roman empire. Analytical thinking and human expression wasn't 'rediscovered' until the re-birth or renaissance.

Originally Posted by MigL

I believe the rotating steam ball 'motor was invented by the Greeks. As well, a lot of other Arab discoveries/inventions were developed from Greek thinking and ideas. This is likely because the Arabs stored and did not lose Greek knowledge like Europeans did after the fall of the Roman empire. Analytical thinking and human expression wasn't 'rediscovered' until the .re-birth or renaissance.

effcorse we started from the greek knoledge, and not from zero.

Originally Posted by shadow001

Originally Posted by MigL

I believe the rotating steam ball 'motor was invented by the Greeks. As well, a lot of other Arab discoveries/inventions were developed from Greek thinking and ideas. This is likely because the Arabs stored and did not lose Greek knowledge like Europeans did after the fall of the Roman empire. Analytical thinking and human expression wasn't 'rediscovered' until the .re-birth or renaissance.

effcorse we started from the greek knoledge, and not from zero.

MigL is saying that the first steam engine "aeolipile" was created by a Grecian (commonly called Hero or Heron of Alexandria) and not by an Arab. A similar device had been invented earlier, though by an Italian.

Originally Posted by Kukhri

Originally Posted by shadow001

Originally Posted by MigL

I believe the rotating steam ball 'motor was invented by the Greeks. As well, a lot of other Arab discoveries/inventions were developed from Greek thinking and ideas. This is likely because the Arabs stored and did not lose Greek knowledge like Europeans did after the fall of the Roman empire. Analytical thinking and human expression wasn't 'rediscovered' until the .re-birth or renaissance.

effcorse we started from the greek knoledge, and not from zero.

MigL is saying that the first steam engine "aeolipile" was created by a Grecian (commonly called Hero or Heron of Alexandria) and not by an Arab. A similar device had been invented earlier, though by an Italian.

ah, okki, thanks for the enlighnting,
but i remember i saw once a show they talked about a steam engine, not exactly an egine, cause he didnt know what to do with it, i mean who maked it, the inventer was the arab mecanic genius (who i forgot his name :P)
so he maked one, got the idea, but didnt know what to do with it.

Originally Posted by ishmaelblues

yeah the dark ages is an outdated term no longer used by historians...so...this post really has no point

The European Dark Age is aptly named. If you were a librarian in, say, the year 850 you would have exactly two places to apply for a job without leaving Europe. Almost nobody could read and write. The few worthy scholars and inventors in Europe at the time might have taken offense at the term "dark age" but chances are they would have agreed with it and hoped for better times. Either way, concern over hurting their feelings would be silly.

Dark Age is an attitude.
In this case, it was an anti-innovation attitude. Unless the innovation was for deadlier warfare, it was unacceptable.

I regard the beginning of the end of the Dark Ages as the time of Copernicus, since he was the first to innovate scientifically, and get that innovation widely publicised. (Others did innovate, but often in secret). After Copernicus, we had the greats of the dawn of modern science, such as Galileo and Newton. When innovation was acceptable, and encouraged, we entered the new Age of Enlightenment.

As for the Arabic Golden Age, it had far too little impact, since the knowledge so gained was not widely disseminated.

tombyers, i am not concerned abotu "hurting feelings" rather that others know what historians have already accepted in that using the term "dark age" is itself misinformed. Professional historian no longer use it, however, it is still found amoung amatuer "historians" and other such laity.

If you're talking about like say 500AD - 1150 AD England, then they're "dark" in the sense that so many of the books/records of that time got burned later on that it's hard to even piece together what was going on. Dark to us, since we have no way to see. No way to be sure whether it was dark to them.