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    Im sure we've heard about the Cold War, the Hydrogen Bomb testings done by Russia, the States and Britain. The endless Propaganda, Like Duck and Cover with Bert the Turtle, the songs about "the low down reds" and etc...

    The foolishness behind the Propaganda is that a Nuclear war would be survivable, which it most likely wouldn't.

    The Fallout game series pokes fun at it, but of course the Super Mutants and Deathclaws take away from the reality also that it takes place in 2276, 200 years after the war.

    But what would you think the world would have been like if Russia or America had droped an H-Bomb on Each other, or even worse gone into all out Nuclear war?


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    I agree on survivability: I understand that one of the most common results of radiation exposure, other than cancer, is infertility. Who cares if a sizeable portion of the human race survives, if they can't have kids?


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    Yes that is true. But what if they wern't infertile.
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    Would Humanity ever be able to recover?
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    It would most likely be a cycle. After the first nuclear war, there'd be a second, especially because of the economic disruption from the first. People get it into their head that they can survive a nuclear war, then they start thinking "Well heck, maybe we can survive two of them."
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    I grew up near an air base that was known target, being a northern asset around the time Reagan opined nuclear war could be winnable. Small town, so our volunteer fire department sounded air raid sirens whenever some house had a chimney fire. The jets from the base used to swoop low and rattle windows with their sonic booms. Many folk talked of nuclear war (to children!) like it was a certainty. My elementary schoolmates did discuss what we would do and how we might die, with that heartbreaking yet optimistic matter-of-fact resolve of children. I would sometimes feel a bad inkling and switch on the radio, checking for the "emergency broadcast system". I wouldn't call that environment traumatizing - it did shape the worldviews of a generation though.

    Survivability was a curious thought. We had signs posted around town, showing a local map with blast effects for each distance. Nobody living near ground zero bothered with cinderblock fallout shelters or stashes of canned spaghetti. But farther out many did. The government encouraged this and printed free booklets with plans. People gave blood. It was said the makeshift clinics would need a lot of blood.

    I'm curious how others, especially in Europe, experienced those years.
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    That's really intresting.. I'm not sure of the people in Europe had the same Propoganda machine like America. I'm not sure if make shift shelters would be able to stand the force of a Hydrogen bomb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong

    Survivability was a curious thought. We had signs posted around town, showing a local map with blast effects for each distance. Nobody living near ground zero bothered with cinderblock fallout shelters or stashes of canned spaghetti. But farther out many did. The government encouraged this and printed free booklets with plans. People gave blood. It was said the makeshift clinics would need a lot of blood.

    I'm curious how others, especially in Europe, experienced those years.
    No wonder small town folk in the USA are such chicken hawks about war. They probably figure they're far enough out from all the major targets the bomb will miss them if we trigger a nuclear war.


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    That's really intresting.. I'm not sure of the people in Europe had the same Propoganda machine like America. I'm not sure if make shift shelters would be able to stand the force of a Hydrogen bomb.
    It depends on how far away you are.
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    Well In "Fallout" - game - they had vaults. And they somehow knew that there would be a nuclear war. So they were prepared for it. But if you look at the consequences of it, then its a disaster. It didnt turned out the way it was supposed to be.
    And if we had a nuclear war, then we would be doomed. I cannot imagine the life after that. Anyone knows something about life after nuclear war? - What would be the effects on the environment. Well a large scale contamination and son on. But what else?
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    Nuclear war is survivable. A large proportion of the human species would survive for at least the first year after the war. Several factors.

    1. Radioactivity. The background radioactivity would increase, which would contribute to elevated cancer rates. However, experience shows that the human animal can survive, a very long time, up to a 100 fold increase in background radioactivity. This would not occur to that degree except near the site of blasts. The experience of Chernobyl, and the experiences of Hiroshima and Nagasaki give us good data. Those near the blast die instantly. Those a bit further away die within days. Those further away may survive years. But those even further will live long normal lives. We are talking of only about 5 km from ground zero.

    2. Direct damage. Again, this will be localised. The Earth is a big place, and the vast bulk of it will be unaffected by direct blast damage.

    3. Nuclear winter. An unproved hypothesis that says the aftermath will include a period of several years with exceptionally cold winters, and a lot of sunlight blocked. This would result in reduced crop production and megadeaths by starvation. However, we should remember that this is an unproven hypothesis. It might never happen. Even if it did, there would be a large number of people who would survive it, living off stored food.

    4. Isolation. Lots of people living in isolated areas would be relatively unaffected by a nuclear war.

    It is also worth remembering that there have been natural volcanic eruptions, with associated climate change, that released total energy many times greater than the entire nuclear arsenal of all current nuclear powers. The greatest eruption in historic times was Tambora, in Indonesia, in 1815, which killed about 100,000 people, and created cold winters on the opposite side of the world.
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    I think that the human kind would be almost dead by now if it was a nuclear war,
    Russia planted nuclear weapons on Cuba, USA felt threatened by Russia. Russia sent i think (and guess) 3 more nuclear weapons to Cuba, The whole world was thinking that a nuclear war or a WW 3 would break ut, But USA finnaly got Russia to send back the nuclear weapons in the end.

    But i think that Russia and USA fought eachother by other contries. EX. North Vietnam was communist at that time, Russia supported north vietnam with weapons and USA supported south vietnam, non-communist. So i think Russia and USA fought with eachother via other contries, Another example. North Corea is communist and south Corea is non-communism, I think you understand what i mean.

    But they also competed in space, The space race between Russia and USA, And they competed in weapons and technologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathleenp980
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    However, skeptic has quite failed to notice that western civilisation is five days away from anarchy, five days being the amount of time before the supermarket shelves are empty. Even in rural areas few people know how to produce and preserve food. The deaths from starvation and rioting would far outweigh those from the causes noted by skeptic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite

    However, skeptic has quite failed to notice that western civilisation is five days away from anarchy, five days being the amount of time before the supermarket shelves are empty. Even in rural areas few people know how to produce and preserve food. The deaths from starvation and rioting would far outweigh those from the causes noted by skeptic.
    I don't think rioting would be too big a problem, those living in major urban centers would likely be killed by bombs.

    I think you're right about the food though, a few wingnuts have survival shelters with a years worth of food for their family stored away, but most supermarkets and homes don't carry enough food to feed too many people for very long. I suspect those with the biggest guns would likely get most of the food anyway.
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    Rioting was probably a poor choice of word. I meant rather the violence, group and individual, focused and random, that would erupt with the breakdown of law and order - and in the wake of a nuclear holocaust it would breakdown. Some of it would be conventional rioting, most would be fighting over a diminishing supply of resources. The rules as to what constitutes fit would have changed massively.
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    I just hope there's a Thunderdome like in Mad Max.

    "Two men enter, one man leaves!"

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