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  1. #1 Did We Fake the Mars Landings Too? 
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    I've been hearing that the pictures we see of Mars are really pictures of the Australian desert. I'm going to sit on the fence for now but things look pretty suspicious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH7vN3oO1Zw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlUPnNiG81k

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0bHAXsRio
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=nHdvAiz8yUw
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNbnXmV1CQ
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=-J_cMoQ_SzE
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKX9WPpWRg

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=0RgmjDJdvV0
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=8hcY6LcUe7s

    http://spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040106columbia.html


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    Can you tell me where in the Australian desert the Valles Marineris or Mons Olympus are located? If you mean the pictures of Mars from the surface, can I recommend you try to be more precise. If you are that vague in your use of language I am not surprised you are gullible enough to believe internet rumour mongering.


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    could you tell me what the bloody point would be in wasting billions of dollars on faking getting a rocket to another planet ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    could you tell me what the bloody point would be in wasting billions of dollars on faking getting a rocket to another planet ?
    I don't believe,for a second,that the pictures of the northern polar plains of Mars are fakes!
    But,as an aside,if the pictures were of the Australian desert,and therefore fakes, I don't see how you work out this would cost billions of dollars.
    Again I stress that I totally disagree with the suggestion made in the opening post.
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    you DO see rockets going up from Cape Canaveral, with a payload and the whole rocket gadgetry - that in itself is pretty expensive just to fool the public + pretty pointless too
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    why would they fake a mars trip?
    i think that they ahve the tecnology to build robots like this one. with them they take pictures.

    your thougts about pictures from australian are wrong. why so complicated? if they would fake a mars trip, they would animate the pictures with computers. It looks like fotos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Can you tell me where in the Australian desert the Valles Marineris or Mons Olympus are located? If you mean the pictures of Mars from the surface, can I recommend you try to be more precise. If you are that vague in your use of language I am not surprised you are gullible enough to believe internet rumour mongering.
    Cosmored, is a source for those gullible's on the Internet, looking for government plots. He/She can be found on numerous sites, generally instigating an issue.

    Apparently living in Spain, teaching English and last visited the US in the early 1990's. She/He (I believe SHE) may very well be Mary Louis Pratt, a noted anti-American speaker or at least a main source for her dialog.

    You are welcome to visit 'Politics' this forum, thread 'American Imperialism' and get a good understanding or google 'Cosmored+forums' and find many more sites where actively pursuing an agenda. IMO, she is quite bright, but terribly misguided and wasting her intelligence...
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    i wouldn't call someone bright who continues to see conspiracies where none exist - misguided yes, but not bright
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    And what do you mean with" Fake the mars landing too?
    is the moon landing a fake? i thougt that that just was a myth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    Cosmored, is a source for those gullible's on the Internet, looking for government plots.
    Thanks for the information jackson. I have run across her before on other sites, but had not investigated her background as thoroughly as you. I never fail to be amazed by the ability of humans to decieve themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon
    And what do you mean with" Fake the mars landing too?
    is the moon landing a fake? i thougt that that just was a myth.
    Both took place and are not faked. Rest assured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    I never fail to be amazed by the ability of humans to decieve themselves.
    i never fail to be amazed by the fact that people who insist that real things don't exist are the same people who insist that non-existent things are real (e.g. UFOs, Nessie, ghosts etc.)
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    I can understand why people would be dubious about it, but I don't see why they would bother faking it, far too expensive and time wasting.

    That's my theory, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    i never fail to be amazed by the fact that people who insist that real things don't exist are the same people who insist that non-existent things are real (e.g. UFOs, Nessie, ghosts etc.)
    In some cases I think it is a form of rebellion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    i never fail to be amazed by the fact that people who insist that real things don't exist are the same people who insist that non-existent things are real (e.g. UFOs, Nessie, ghosts etc.)
    In some cases I think it is a form of rebellion.
    I understand what you mean.
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    Cosmored, is a source for those gullible's on the Internet, looking for government plots. He/She can be found on numerous sites, generally instigating an issue.

    Apparently living in Spain, teaching English and last visited the US in the early 1990's. She/He (I believe SHE) may very well be Mary Louis Pratt, a noted anti-American speaker or at least a main source for her dialog.

    You are welcome to visit 'Politics' this forum, thread 'American Imperialism' and get a good understanding or google 'Cosmored+forums' and find many more sites where actively pursuing an agenda. IMO, she is quite bright, but terribly misguided and wasting her intelligence...
    I'm a he. I'm an American who lives abroad. Just by living abroad I've been able to learn what the US does in third world countries.

    Read this stuff to see what it does.

    http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com

    After learning the truth about what the US does in third world countries the only conscionable thing to do is to try to inform my fellow Americans so they can make informed decisions.

    If there are any open-minded people viewing, I found a goldmine of information in the conspiracy section of this forum.

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...?showforum=209
    (conspiracy section)

    Look at the posts by a guy named Peter Lemkin. He looks for interesting stuff and posts it there to share with everyone.

    Here are some samples of stuff I've found in his posts.

    http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=25600

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0
    (eight parts)

    could you tell me what the bloody point would be in wasting billions of dollars on faking getting a rocket to another planet ?
    Maybe it wasn't billions. How much would it cost to launch an empty rocket that would just disappear into space?

    you DO see rockets going up from Cape Canaveral, with a payload and the whole rocket gadgetry - that in itself is pretty expensive just to fool the public + pretty pointless too
    Just going up is one thing. Going all the way to Mars and landing a robot is quite another thing. If they faked Apollo, the idea that they faked the Mars missions shouldn't be so surprising.
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    I'm a he. I'm an American who lives abroad. Just by living abroad I've been able to learn what the US does in third world countries.

    Read this stuff to see what it does.

    http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com

    After learning the truth about what the US does in third world countries the only conscionable thing to do is to try to inform my fellow Americans so they can make informed decisions.
    You are clearly not happy about some American activities in the Third World.
    Why does this make it more likely that the Moon and Mars landings were faked?
    If you really do believe that I would find it much harder to take other opinions you may hold seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halliday
    I'm a he. I'm an American who lives abroad. Just by living abroad I've been able to learn what the US does in third world countries.

    Read this stuff to see what it does.

    http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com

    After learning the truth about what the US does in third world countries the only conscionable thing to do is to try to inform my fellow Americans so they can make informed decisions.
    You are clearly not happy about some American activities in the Third World.
    Why does this make it more likely that the Moon and Mars landings were faked?
    If you really do believe that I would find it much harder to take other opinions you may hold seriously.
    During a rather long and somewhat intelligent (his side) debate with HIM, I wondered how any person having visited or being from HERE, could hold such an unrealistic view of American participation in world affairs. The only thing that made sense was he was coming at it from the moderate/radical Muslim understanding, attacking the culture through government control. Anything and everything that questions a government makes the culture that government controls equal in conscience.

    I could be wrong, but his conspiracy theories start on, how we entered WWI, WWII, Vietnam, JFK and on to NASA, a government agency. The "fellow American" could be a ploy (not really from US) or the comments directed to a select few, where ever read. What I do not think, is that any American living abroad and teaching English in any traditional modern school (even in Spain) could harbor such thoughts and be an effective teacher...Hench, hold a teaching job.


    Cosmored; Americans are open minded by nature. Anyplace where near total freedom of speech is practiced, this inherent right to question is a natural reaction to comment. At any rate, most of what you speak would come from the practice of Capitalism, not government.

    There are many things in the US, I personally question, even disagree with. Most far more important than whether man landed on the moon or sent a couple robots or a lander to Mars. More important today, than what may or may not have happen 100-50 or twenty years ago.

    Just in case you are of Spanish heritage, Mexican or Latino, much of my recent real life work includes the influence of Spain in the development of the America's.
    Its all good, I think you would agree, and certainly I am not alone in that work...
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    During a rather long and somewhat intelligent (his side) debate with HIM, I wondered how any person having visited or being from HERE, could hold such an unrealistic view of American participation in world affairs.
    Here are some books I can recommend to anyone who doubts that the US exploits the third world and doesn't have the time to find out by travelling.

    http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Hope-M...8109799&sr=1-1

    Here are some excerpts from "Killing Hope".

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...Hope_page.html



    http://www.amazon.com/Washington-Con...8110033&sr=1-1

    Here are some excerpts from "The Washington Connection"

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/He...m_ChomHer.html
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    Cosmored; I have no idea how many books are out there, giving a different view than those you offer. I have no idea how many perceived errors even voiced from American's have occurred in its history or how those good things or the bad, have effected the world. What I do know, is my personal understanding of what the world could be if not for Americans efforts in the past couple hundred years. We are a nation and a society, encouraged to voice our disagreement on any topic or issue we wish.

    If you wish to address an issue, something tangible that YOU feel was an unjust act of government, not some one else, I would discuss that point. As for obvious conspiracy theory, fake moon landings or mars which IMO make no sense to question or in fact perform, I feel is a waste of time. We did both and a lot more since that has required a great deal of technology, equal or greater than those two events...
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    If you wish to address an issue, something tangible that YOU feel was an unjust act of government, not some one else, I would discuss that point.
    How about this issue?

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis...ckingbird.html
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    The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that 6 million people had died by 1987 as a result of CIA covert operations, called an "American Holocaust" by former State Department official William Blum.
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    Cosmored, this thread is about the alleged faking of the Mars landers. If you wish to discuss American activies in the political and international arean please do so in another thread. If you wish ask me or another mod to move the relevant posts to a new thread. Either way stop the discusion in this thread.
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    It wasn't my intention to discuss those topics in this thread but those other posters brought up the subject.

    If you people who brought this up want to continue the discuss, let's do it in this thread.

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewt...er=asc&start=0
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    Cosmored, don't be quite so defensive. #1, This is your thread and you have responded to the post offered. #2, Ophie, was probably indirectly responding to me, not you. #3, The most views I have ever seen on this forum (25,000), and 500 post, by 'joolybear' and with a specific issue 'carbon dating process' has rarely included the offered topic.

    Your views on 'American Imperialism' are interesting, though I feel mis-guided, however this forum has few posters interested in politics or the nature of business.
    I would continue the political thread, but would be a one on one, and not worth your time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    The most views I have ever seen on this forum (25,000), and 500 post, by 'joolybear' and with a specific issue 'carbon dating process' has rarely included the offered topic..
    I have been treating that one as a special case.
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