Thread: Cure for Cancer

Hi, I was just reading a mag the other day about cancer and if we'd find a cure for it, but if there was a way to cure it (and I'm sure there is) why haven't they found it already?

Surely you could just take the cell or biological infomation of the cancer virus or disaese and use another virus or bacteria that will fight the biological infomation of the cancer and destroy it? Are you still wuth me guys?

If this could happen, and is true, why haven't they found the right bacterium to fight the cancer cells and CURE CANCER?

So you guys got any suggestions?

Thanks ~ Boy Genius

Because there's no such thing as a bacteria selective only for cancer cells, how could you evolutionarily account for such a thing. The same for viruses. Cancer cells are generally very similar to your body's normal cells which would make ti difficult for a virus or bacteria to tell the difference, even if it could the pathways involved in viral infection are usually very different to oncogenic pathways. I think you also misunderstood how bacteria cause disease, it isnt always to do with host cell destruction, it is often due to the immune response.

In the cases of viruses which do cause cancer eg human papilloma virus or Herpes virus 8, they are pro-oncogenic because of how they incoorperate themselves into the genome. This certainly is not the key to curing cancer.

There are immunisations being developed for the treatment of cancer however, the first being against the human papilloma virus to prevent cervical cancer but there are treatments to actually treat cancer, not a predisposing virus which occasionally occurs.

HPV is actually carcinogenic because it encodes activators of pro-oncogenes. It's not a retrovirus.

Otherwise, Robbie is completely right. Most cancers are caused by mutations in cell cycle regulators and members of apoptotic pathways.

Apologies, yeah that's true... s**t and I have microbiology exams this week!

"Cancer" is a broad class of diseases. Like, try to cure "sports injuries".

Yeah, kinda with the rest of y'all here.

Cancer isn't a virus or a bacteria. It's just a cell mutation gone out of control. Generally it is considered cancer when the mutation spreads faster than the body can fight. Anything can cause cancer providing the body is weak enough. Oxygen for example would rip our cells apart if we weren't adapted to it. Most of the time the body eats up the mutated cells and poops them out. Even age can cause cancer (we're not "designed" to last... in fact we're more likely "designed" to die... and cancer is one way of going).

There is lots of research in the field of nanotechnology going into cancer.
Look up "carbon nanotube cancer" on Google and you should find plenty.

I agree with DaBob, and these mutations are happening all the time in our body, just that they do not fully become cancer all the time so we are not always affected by them. But apparently there already are 2 ways of curing cancer.
Supposedly the first also prevents future cancerous cells from appearing and it also protects surrounding cells. It is (endo)cannabinoids and I'm not sure about the chemistry of it but data provide these results. It is also pretty convincing. I'm sure there are a few articles on pubmed.
The second actually just came out some weeks ago by some scientists from Hawaii. I'll look for the link and post it.

The answer to cancer
has been known for many years!

Vitamin B17 was the subject of great controversy over 20 years ago when some of the world's top scientists claimed that when consumed, the components of certain raw fruit seeds make it 100% impossible to develop cancer and will kill existing cancer in most cases.

The pharmaceutical companies pounced on this claim immediately and demanded that FDA studies be conducted. The results of these studies are found on this site and in a book called "World Without Cancer", by G. Edward Griffin. To order the book call 877-479-3466.

Vitamin B17, also know as Laetrile and Amygdalin is found in most fruit seeds, namely apricot seeds. The apricot seed was claimed as the cure for all cancers over 35 years ago.

It was even more strongly claimed that when one eats about 7 apricot seeds per day they can never develop cancer, just as one can never get scurvy if they have an orange every day, or pellagra if they have some B vitamins every day.

The pharmaceuticals companies together with the medical establishment pushed the FDA into making it illegal to sell "raw" apricot seeds or vitamin B17 with information about its effects on cancer. Even to this day, you can't get raw apricot seeds in your health food store, only the sun dried ones which have all the important enzymes killed off.

Pharmaceutical companies only conduct studies on patented chemicals they invent so that at the end of their study, if the drug gets approved, they have sole rights on its sale. (They make back tons more than the mere 250 million that they invested) They never do studies on foods that can't be patented and that can be sold by any supermarket.

The information on this site is not just for preventing cancer, it is for those that have cancer now and are on chemo or radiation at this moment, as well as for those who have cancer but haven't started any conventional methods yet.

Most of the people that already have cancer clusters in their body, who eat the apricot seeds and/or take the vitamin b17 in tablet form show near to complete tumor regression. Although cancer patients may get rid of their cancer, they also have the problem of the organ damage that the cancer has caused.

This is another issue where other herbs and remedies are necessary for proper organ regeneration. Of course when a person's body is completely eaten up by cancer, the apricot seeds and its extract (laetrile and vitamin b17) would only prolong their life many times longer than chemotherapy and might not completely save them.

However in many cases high levels of the injectable laetrile will help a great deal with the pain.

The information that you're about to read will guide you in how you can guarantee a nearly cancer free life or help your body get rid of cancer if you have it.
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Gwen

Originally Posted by gwen

The answer to cancer
has been known for many years!

The pharmaceutical companies pounced on this claim immediately and demanded that FDA studies be conducted. The results of these studies are found on this site and in a book called "World Without Cancer", by G. Edward Griffin. To order the book call 877-479-3466.

"Worldwithoutcancer.org.uk does not promote laetrile, nor any of the products mentioned herein, as a cure for cancer. All of the products we mention are regarded metabolic agents or vitamins used in nutritional therapy and prevention. Our information, as well as success stories, comes from journals and letters written by medical doctors and people who have used metabolic therapy and who wish to share their experiences with others. It is important to realise that one must exercise caution in evaluating them. We share them with you, not to suggest that you will have the same experiences as the authors, but because we feel you have a right to make your own evaluation."

Well that's reassuring.

Originally Posted by gwen

Vitamin B17, also know as Laetrile and Amygdalin is found in most fruit seeds, namely apricot seeds. The apricot seed was claimed as the cure for all cancers over 35 years ago.

Have you ever eaten an apricot seed? It's generally called a pit and I'm betting you can't bite through it. Oh, and look, you CAN buy them. Did you ever consider that just as the FDA makes money off of their drugs so do these people make money off of these apricot "seeds". Why don't you check out Dr. Mercola, Kevin Trudeau, and sadly, the great Deapak Chopra. I'm sure they would agree on your apricot cure theory. They sell all sorts of garbage as well.

And, while we're at it, did you know that HIV doesn't cause AIDS!
For a limited time only you can buy the real cure for AIDS!!

I don't use drugs, and I've no doubt the FDA is a money machine as you suggest. But I'm also not an idiot who buys apricot seeds because a single book says so.

I suggest you learn a little about cancer before believing these wonderful, miracle cures. Cancer is not at all like scurvy. Scurvy is caused as a result of not enough vitamin C. Cancer is caused by damaged DNA. You can't just eat a vitamin and have it fix the DNA. If anything you can boost your immune system to fight and kill the already mutated cells. While your eating your apricot seeds you may also want to have a healthy diet, exercise, and plenty of sleep; as these are what's going to help.

Where's Skinwalker when you need him?

Well it's good to know that if I'd ever rather eat an apricot pit instead of an apricot than I can just buy some online.

Oh and one last thing, you want to know what kind of people are the target of "WorldWithoutCancer"?
I found this on their website.

IN GOD WE TRUST

"These are the things you are to do: Speak the truth to each other, and render true and sound judgement in your courts." (Zechariah 8:16)

"Each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body." (Ephesians 4:25)

"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32)

Never trust anyone trying to sell themselves with bible quotes.

Often cancers re-appear after chemo since the primary growth of the tumor was not destroyed - this is the most difficult thing to do (find where cancer cells have spread from).
A cure for cancer revolves around finding a selective therapy to target these cells as stated earlier, but there is alot of work going into prevention through establishment of causality links - this is proving far harder to do. Maintaining a healthy diet/lifestyle is a good way to help prevent the onset of but in no way could cure cancer. Different people may be more/less susceptible to cancers due to polymorphisms in genes that metabolise pro-carcinogens found in cigarette smoke, char-grilled meats and even crucifeous vegetables!

Originally Posted by DaBOB

Originally Posted by gwen

The answer to cancer
has been known for many years!

The pharmaceutical companies pounced on this claim immediately and demanded that FDA studies be conducted. The results of these studies are found on this site and in a book called "World Without Cancer", by G. Edward Griffin. To order the book call 877-479-3466.

"Worldwithoutcancer.org.uk does not promote laetrile, nor any of the products mentioned herein, as a cure for cancer. All of the products we mention are regarded metabolic agents or vitamins used in nutritional therapy and prevention. Our information, as well as success stories, comes from journals and letters written by medical doctors and people who have used metabolic therapy and who wish to share their experiences with others. It is important to realise that one must exercise caution in evaluating them. We share them with you, not to suggest that you will have the same experiences as the authors, but because we feel you have a right to make your own evaluation."

Well that's reassuring.

Originally Posted by gwen

Vitamin B17, also know as Laetrile and Amygdalin is found in most fruit seeds, namely apricot seeds. The apricot seed was claimed as the cure for all cancers over 35 years ago.

Have you ever eaten an apricot seed? It's generally called a pit and I'm betting you can't bite through it. Oh, and look, you CAN buy them. Did you ever consider that just as the FDA makes money off of their drugs so do these people make money off of these apricot "seeds". Why don't you check out Dr. Mercola, Kevin Trudeau, and sadly, the great Deapak Chopra. I'm sure they would agree on your apricot cure theory. They sell all sorts of garbage as well.

And, while we're at it, did you know that HIV doesn't cause AIDS!
For a limited time only you can buy the real cure for AIDS!!

I don't use drugs, and I've no doubt the FDA is a money machine as you suggest. But I'm also not an idiot who buys apricot seeds because a single book says so.

I suggest you learn a little about cancer before believing these wonderful, miracle cures. Cancer is not at all like scurvy. Scurvy is caused as a result of not enough vitamin C. Cancer is caused by damaged DNA. You can't just eat a vitamin and have it fix the DNA. If anything you can boost your immune system to fight and kill the already mutated cells. While your eating your apricot seeds you may also want to have a healthy diet, exercise, and plenty of sleep; as these are what's going to help.

Where's Skinwalker when you need him?

Well it's good to know that if I'd ever rather eat an apricot pit instead of an apricot than I can just buy some online.

Oh and one last thing, you want to know what kind of people are the target of "WorldWithoutCancer"?
I found this on their website.

IN GOD WE TRUST

"These are the things you are to do: Speak the truth to each other, and render true and sound judgement in your courts." (Zechariah 8:16)

"Each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body." (Ephesians 4:25)

"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32)

Never trust anyone trying to sell themselves with bible quotes.

I agree with your scepticism regarding the book - it is nonsense.

I've actually gone and spent a bit of time doing some cancer research this summer. To bring this back to Boy Genius's initial question as to why we havent found the cure already...

It's really fascinating stuff going on in research understanding the molecular pathways. There are a huge number of pathways involved in different cancers. In fact there are so many with so many components which may become blocked that it is now becoming apparent that it may not be profitable (or at least sufficiently profitable) for the pharmaceutical companies researching drugs which may target these mutations. Furthermore, the reliance on biomarkers tends to oversimplify what is a complex pathway and I feel that monoclonal antibodies developped against receptors (eg cetuximab or panitumumab against EGFR) may produce less and less successful results in the future. It is becoming clear to me anyway (I will accept any rebukes!) that the way research is working, i.e. generally taking one molecule at a time and investigating it in isolation may produce unclear results and slows the research process than if one was to look at the components of the pathway in whole, although I know this would be expensive and logistically and technically difficult.
Furthermore with these kinds of technology to be used efficiently, healthcare systems/hospitals need to diagnose the patients with specific mutations at a molecular which is very specialised, technically difficult and expensive for the labs to do on a large scale basis at the moment anyway. Furthermore, the drugs which are largely monoclonal antibodies which are being developped, are not only expensive to develop, but expensive to produce and buy which adds further strain to healthcare systems... these are the kinds of treatment which in the future only the very wealth may afford.

In short, its too complicated molecularly for cancer research to be largely profitable for pharmaceutical companies to develop drugs against or healthcare systems to provide.

I would be interested if anyone has any views on this, this is mostly just my own opinion, I dont know where one can read any articles saying this.

Originally Posted by Vid P

Often cancers re-appear after chemo since the primary growth of the tumor was not destroyed - this is the most difficult thing to do (find where cancer cells have spread from).
A cure for cancer revolves around finding a selective therapy to target these cells as stated earlier, but there is alot of work going into prevention through establishment of causality links - this is proving far harder to do. Maintaining a healthy diet/lifestyle is a good way to help prevent the onset of but in no way could cure cancer. Different people may be more/less susceptible to cancers due to polymorphisms in genes that metabolise pro-carcinogens found in cigarette smoke, char-grilled meats and even crucifeous vegetables!

DaBob holds some rather "non-standard" views on healthcare. He seems to have a strong interest in the psychosomatic aspect of disease.

Idk, although I did study immunology, cancer research isn't something I ever really looked much into, I have focused on bacteriology. We have made some very good advances in the diagnosis of cancer with the discovery of cancer specific antigens that can be detected in the blood. Methods of effective early diagnosis are just as important as effective treatments.

Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy

Originally Posted by Vid P

Often cancers re-appear after chemo since the primary growth of the tumor was not destroyed - this is the most difficult thing to do (find where cancer cells have spread from).
A cure for cancer revolves around finding a selective therapy to target these cells as stated earlier, but there is alot of work going into prevention through establishment of causality links - this is proving far harder to do. Maintaining a healthy diet/lifestyle is a good way to help prevent the onset of but in no way could cure cancer. Different people may be more/less susceptible to cancers due to polymorphisms in genes that metabolise pro-carcinogens found in cigarette smoke, char-grilled meats and even crucifeous vegetables!

DaBob holds some rather "non-standard" views on healthcare. He seems to have a strong interest in the psychosomatic aspect of disease.

Idk, although I did study immunology, cancer research isn't something I ever really looked much into, I have focused on bacteriology. We have made some very good advances in the diagnosis of cancer with the discovery of cancer specific antigens that can be detected in the blood. Methods of effective early diagnosis are just as important as effective treatments.

Indeed - I agree with you. I was just making the point that it is quite ridiculous to suggest that a single vitamin could 'cure' cancer given the complexities involved (once cancer is detected). However maintaining a healthy diet and lifestyle could help in the onset of cancer.

Ya it will be a good idea to treat cancer with the help of anti bacteria but normally we spend a lot of time to detect it's main origin and thats why we suffers a lot from cancer.So we have to detect it's reason and origin first then apply that method.

Originally Posted by Auch

treat cancer with the help of anti bacteria

...and you're advertising "Natural Supplement" ...and you're wrong.

Please, don't misinform for profit when people's lives are at stake.

Originally Posted by Auch

Ya it will be a good idea to treat cancer with the help of anti bacteria but normally we spend a lot of time to detect it's main origin and thats why we suffers a lot from cancer.So we have to detect it's reason and origin first then apply that method.

What has bacteria got to do with the price of fish?

I have an idea and would love to do experiments if someone would fund it.