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  1. #1 Staying awake 
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    Does anyone have any suggestions on an upper like caffeine that doesn't have many side effects? I find myself fighting more and more to stay awake and focused. Exercise of course would help, may need to find room for a treadmill or something. I can't do caffeine as it gives me killer heartburn.

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    Sleep.

    Or another solution is that your diet can greatly affect your alertness. Dairy products tend to put you to sleep as does turkey (lactic acid). Also, the more animal fats you eat, the more it seems to cause lethargy and sleepiness. Eating healthy can really help keep you up.
    Another solution would be taking ex-lax. Trust me, you won't be sleeping much.


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    sploit is right about Sleep. I'm sure that the best way is to get 8 or more hours of sleep, excercise, and eat healthy foods (not fried or prepackaged and include many vegetables and fruits with meat and breads). When you are healthy, you automatically wake up alert and refreshed without even an alarm clock. But that doesn't really help me cut the caffeine, it's an addiction. If you cut caffeine out, get ready for withdrawal. If anything you should lessen the caffeine until it's one cup of coffee or soda per day, and then quit all together. I also need to exercise more, but it's just one of those things that I don't think to do. I get some exercise all day, because I'm always on my feet except when I'm working on the computer. But it's still not all that aerobic.

    And also, isn't it the side effect of alertness and awakeness that you're looking for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2112
    sploit is right about Sleep. I'm sure that the best way is to get 8 or more hours of sleep, excercise, and eat healthy foods (not fried or prepackaged and include many vegetables and fruits with meat and breads). When you are healthy, you automatically wake up alert and refreshed without even an alarm clock. But that doesn't really help me cut the caffeine, it's an addiction. If you cut caffeine out, get ready for withdrawal. If anything you should lessen the caffeine until it's one cup of coffee or soda per day, and then quit all together. I also need to exercise more, but it's just one of those things that I don't think to do. I get some exercise all day, because I'm always on my feet except when I'm working on the computer. But it's still not all that aerobic.

    And also, isn't it the side effect of alertness and awakeness that you're looking for?
    I've been caffeine free for over a year now, problem is I've not really been the same since. I get 8 hours of sleep on average could be I just need to get out more, working from home has major disadvantages in the exercise department. I tend to sit in front of the cumputer for hours on end. Was up til 4 am working last night.

    Been drinking a lot of sports drinks lately, Powerade, Gatorade. Less sugar then the cola's I use to drink, and they appear to help with energy a little bit (sugar).
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    A good question.

    I was a night nurse for 7 years. I think that it aged me prematurely. I think Caffeine with all its problems is about as good as it gets. High fat/high tryptophan foods (milk, turkey) are defiantly downers. I used to take tryptophan supplements to help me sleep before they were banned. They worked pretty well.

    Some folks find some help in staying awake with “inositol”. It is a generic dietary supplement that is supposedly a precursor to dopamine. Unfortunately the “alert” dose is higher than the recommended dose and who knows how safe that is?

    Ginseng may be of some help. I would stay away from Mah Huang(sp?)/pseudo-ephedrin/(Mormon tea in your area) as the cardiovascular side affects are not worth it.

    Have you tried toothpicks under the eyelids? Sitting on a bed of nails? Sticking your head out the window? Not peeing when you have to? They all help.

    I don’t think humans are supposed to stay up until 4:00 am without cocaine or Dexedrine, unless you reset you biological clock and don’t get up until after noon on a regular basis. :wink:
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    My normal wake time lately has been 9:30 am, even if I went to bed 3 or 4 in the morning. I try to get 8 hours of sleep regardless, however 8 hours of sleep at night sure feels a whole lot better then 8 hours of sleep in the afternoon.

    I use to work 7 pm to 7 am 3 days in a row, That really did a number on me, it sucked to get home in the morning and try to sleep while construction workers were using a jack hammer just outside your window.
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    I think you knew the answer to your question before you posted it. You were just hoping…

    I think that my friends or I have tried all the conceivable solutions to your problem. We have all come back to the answer that “you can’t burn the candle at both ends”. I agree with you: A good sleep in the quiet dark (preferably at night) is the best way to go… :wink:
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    Terrapin, you reminded me that I used to take something to help me sleep better, but now I can't remember what it's called. You can either take a pill or a liquid of it and it's supposed to help you sleep but also increases your dreaming. I think it starts with a t, jeez, I seriously can't remember it now. The word Dopamine reminded me of it.
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    Exercise would help keep you awake. I spent time on night shifts as well as a security guard at a junvenile detention center. Another guard and I had a game where if you saw the other one first you could force him to do 10 pushups. Kept us alert and in shape - especially if you saw each other 3-4 times and hour over an 8 hour shift.

    To help you sleep, I recommend trying self-hypnosis. It can be astonshingly effective at helping you get to sleep faster and can generate a more restful sleep. I first experimented with this in the Navy to maximize a "power nap" and could fall asleep in literally seconds (usually less than 20) and wake up after 20 minutes feeling completely invigorated. The entire time people would be walking around me and not disturb me. Once I went to sleep on the flight deck and woke to a helicopter taking off - wasn't there when I started that nap so I missed the landing.
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    If you don't do caffeine, try coccaine. :wink:

    WAIT! Before you go risking arrest, try some sugar.

    But seriously, I can't think of anything besides diet, excercise, and sleep that would help you stay awake. The only thing I use is Starbucks. I don't know of anything that helps keep you up besides caffiene.
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    Hold on, ginsing! It's a natural supplement that boosts energy, and it works! You can pick it up anywhere that sells vitamins.
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    I know this topic hasn't been posted in in a long time, but I have to comment.

    Some people have had their entire lives plagued with sleeping problems. They try to fox these problems with caffeine, "uppers" (legal or not legal), Red Bull and other substances that are not good for them and eventually lose their potency. If you have tried getting enough sleep, excercising and eating right and this does not help, you may have a medical condition that causes these problems. In my family alone, there ate people who have been diagnosed with Hypothyroidism (my father too, so I have a 50% chance of having this problem). I am lucky enough not to have this problem but many people can have this condition and not even know it. Get yourself tested.

    My mother has Sleep Apnea. This is a sleeping problem that can happen in anyone. The basics of this problem are that when you are in a depper phase of sleep, you stop breathing without even knowing it. You can sleep for 14 hours and not feel rested because you are not able to progress through the normal sleep cycle. My mom didn't really even know what it was before her doctor recommended getting a test for this dosorder.

    My point is that you can have some type of problem with you if you are unable to stay awake in the day. These are just a few examples. I have narcolepsy which is being treated with medication (which I do not recommend). I'm making it sound like my family are hypochondriacs, but we are not, we just have family history of these disorders and healthcare in my country is free, so we can treat them. When my father get the treatment for Hypothyroidism, he was finally able to function like a normal person instead of hardly being able to work part-time.

    I just want to make people aware of these problems because the lives of my family members have been positively changed after getting treatment for these disorders.
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    hehe, i have the opposite of yours. genetic heart disorder means that my blood will coagulate in my veins if i am not active(not deadly, but can hurt like hell to sit for hours).

    so i am forced into moving
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    sleep cures all. (until you wake up)
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    Two suggestions.

    Try carrying around a Thermos filled with ice cubes. Whenever you need to stay awake, put an ice cube in your mouth. That kind of works.

    Have a brutally spicy (the kind that burns your tongue) seasoning available. I'm talking something SO hot, it'd scare authentic extra-hot Thai green curry away. Whenever you feel sleep coming on, add lots and lots to some tomato soup or something and drink your soup when hot. Make sure the soup is HOT. If it gets lukewarm midway, reheat it. The action of your hot-pepper-burned tongue going against hot liquids will draw tears from your eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero
    Two suggestions.

    Try carrying around a Thermos filled with ice cubes. Whenever you need to stay awake, put an ice cube in your mouth. That kind of works.

    Have a brutally spicy (the kind that burns your tongue) seasoning available. I'm talking something SO hot, it'd scare authentic extra-hot Thai green curry away. Whenever you feel sleep coming on, add lots and lots to some tomato soup or something and drink your soup when hot. Make sure the soup is HOT. If it gets lukewarm midway, reheat it. The action of your hot-pepper-burned tongue going against hot liquids will draw tears from your eyes.
    Just take half a teaspoon of Dave's ultimate insanity sauce. The fact that it's oil based habanero extract will keep just about anyone awake.
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    Why don't you try aspartam? İt actually breaks down to glutamate in the body which is one of the most potent central nervous system stimulator ever known. Well I am using cola zero for this which I can titrate the dosage and can stop when I reach the effect I need. When you look from the other side may be you can understand why people are so addicted to diet coke with double impact of cafein and glutamate. Don't forget; excessive usage will crack you down and don't heat it. It might be loosin its effect (I mean cafe with canderel forinstance).
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    I have had sleep issues for over a decade. I can say with 100% certainty that everyone's advice about good sleep is spot on. Sleeping well/ regularly will definitely make you more aware and stay sharp-minded during your waking hours. And concerning exercise - yes, it does help a great deal, but not the way you might assume. Exercise will not keep you awake, it will make you sleep better. Just a week of daily exercise and you will notice better sleep.

    I also do not recommend overdoing it with alcohol, as this will rob you of natural sleep and screw up your cycle.

    I have cut out caffeine, as it does absolutely nothing positive for me. Just makes me anxious and even if I do stay awake, my mind cannot focus. Might as well sleep and do what you have to do afterwards.
    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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    High doses of multi-B vitamins (I forget, but I think it's B12 that's the key vitamin).
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    I didn't get time to read all the posts so apologies if this has already been said, but there is 2 cups of coffee in energy drinks, some have more, you're better off going back onto coffee
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    Last year I found a drink in a can called, " alibi PRETOX " It appears to be designed to treat hangovers, but it is full of vitamins and herbs. I use it as a pre training drink, it helps me to focus and it keeps me alert.

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    trust your body
    it knows when it needs to sleep
    let it find it's own rhythm
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    I have worked graveyard shift for seven years now, and for the last three years, I have worked graveyards (1:00 a.m.-9:00 a.m.) for three nights and two mornings (9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m). Half of my time on a day cycle, the other half on a night cycle. The most effective thing I have come across is paying attention to diet and staying hydrated.

    Without knowing what your schedule and activity is, or your diet and sleep schedule, it is a bit like a shot in the dark to offer advice, IMO.

    There is no 'magic bullet' but there are a number of incremental things that you can base a better routine around.

    The suggestion to have a good medical to be certain there are no underlying medical conditions is an important consideration. After that, I would tackle hydration and diet. In my experience, simple carbohydrates will greatly exacerbate fatigue after their brief energy boost. I eat a lot of whole fruit (bananas, apples, cherries, pineapple) and take carrots, celery sticks with a tiny strip of cheese in each, canned tuna or kippers, and salads for my graveyard shifts. Eating small amounts more frequently works for me.

    Green tea is another thing to try. It comes plain, decaf, or flavored and it is much healthier than most other alternatives. I am very partial to Morrocan Mint Green Tea by Stash, with a touch of honey. The spearmint/mint/lemon combination of flavors is quite uplifting for me.
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