Thread: Investigating Telekinesis

Working backwards from a hypothetical condition such as a patient exhibiting telekinesis, what areas of medicine would you look at in order to determine how this ability is possible? If a blood sample was taken for example, along with brain scans, how could you scientifically explain the condition? I am interested in areas of human development beyond the current realms.

Mitichlorians, obviously. I would also pick up some tinfoil hats.

The first thing to do is consult a magician.

You might also try consulting a crystal ball. Expertly calibrated by gypsies of course.

Ignore them. Their minds will be freed yet.

I would expect that something as profound as TK is more at the root of a person. Something that may have to do with the connectivity of cells. This isn't making much sense... :?

TK and other things such as ESP do not occur through standard interactions of our standard senses. More likely an ability to obtain more information than normal through the senses or use different interpretation methods. Not sure how you would test for this though.

Nonsense, I'm being perfectly serious. In addition to the options provided above, you could:

1) Rub a magic lamp and use a wish to find out
2) Go to the end of a rainbow, surely there are secrets there?
3) Break into area 54 and analyze the alien technology stored there
4) Check your daily horoscope. There are often hidden gems of wisdom there that can lead you in the right direction.
5) Ask your mirror, mirror on the wall for advice

See I have all kinds of serious, useful advice for this topic.

When there's even an inkling that such traits actually exist, beyond the realm of trickery, we might consider this subject worth examining. Until then, leave Hollywood alone and don't feed the lunatics.

:wink:

From my perspective Neutrino, Harold and Wolf, have all exhibited an unscientific, non-objective, knee jerk reaction based upon an inattentive reading of the open post. As befits the intellect of such luminaries I expect responses that skillfully seem to wriggle off the hook of my charges, but you won't fool me.

The key word in the opening post was hypothetical. In short, as a mental exercise, if a patient actually demonstrated the ability to use telekinesis, how would you go about identifying the mechanism.

The three of you have assumed that Syliva is just another pseudo-science nutter and responded accordingly. Shame on you.

I assumed nothing. If Sylvia encounters someone who exhibits telekinesis, she would first need to determine if it is the real kind of telekinesis and not the magic kind. A professional magician would help.

How's that for wriggling off the hook.

Originally Posted by Ophiolite

The key word in the opening post was hypothetical.

Woop, you're quite right Ophiolite. I buzzed right past that one. Must have been one of those late-night posts... :P

My apologies.

I still don't have a response though (as yet). Telekinesis is fun and all, but it's very hard to apply. You'd have to have some kind of ability to effect the state of an object at a distance by altering its physical state (since I even more doubt the ability to move objects by telekinetic-magnetism). Quantum manipulation organ...apparently located in the eyelids. :P

Originally Posted by Ophiolite

From my perspective Neutrino, Harold and Wolf, have all exhibited an unscientific, non-objective, knee jerk reaction based upon an inattentive reading of the open post. As befits the intellect of such luminaries I expect responses that skillfully seem to wriggle off the hook of my charges, but you won't fool me.

The key word in the opening post was hypothetical. In short, as a mental exercise, if a patient actually demonstrated the ability to use telekinesis, how would you go about identifying the mechanism.

The three of you have assumed that Syliva is just another pseudo-science nutter and responded accordingly. Shame on you.

No I caught the distinction but I don't think there's much to discuss. So I opted to make myself laugh instead.

Originally Posted by Harold14370

I assumed nothing. If Sylvia encounters someone who exhibits telekinesis, she would first need to determine if it is the real kind of telekinesis and not the magic kind. A professional magician would help.
How's that for wriggling off the hook.

every bit as skillful as I expected.

[quote"Neutrino"]So I opted to make myself laugh instead.[/quote]Another nice wriggle.

Guys, you need the opinion of somebody that has done it before, like me. Yes, i did it. I studied telekinesis on the internet a lot last summer and i also joined a telekinesis forum (there are plenty of them). I found people there that helped me do it, and i managed to do what is called a PSI-wheel. It is a piece of paper put on top of a pen (or sharp object) sitting vertical (i suggest you search You Tube for it, be aware, you might find fakes).

I do not know exactly how it works but the most logical explanation that i found is that our brain can control energy, and we do live on energy, so this is normal. There a several types of energy as you know, kinetik energy, caloric energy, the light, radiations, etc... All of these energies can be controlled by our mind if it we train it too. I did not managed to do great stuff (i gave up, just stopped practicing) but if years of training i belive it can be done.

I expect you to pe sceptic but think for a bit, if it does not exist, then WHY does it not exist? Just because we did not discovered it by now? That means that the earth was flat for good before 1451 . Be open minded and think about it.

Also please excuse my english mistakes, i am not a native english speaker.

Neurology would probably be the most helpful science. Studying the hypothetical "psychic's" brain patterns as they use their ESP in a controlled environment.

Originally Posted by marcusclayman

Neurology would probably be the most helpful science. Studying the hypothetical "psychic's" brain patterns as they use their ESP in a controlled environment.

Probabily, i just noticed these posts are from 2007 . Well, i still hold on to my opinion.

Biophysics, you need a force and a way for the brain to transmit that force.

That said, the second doesn't exist. The first is probably caused by some elaborate (depending on how many people fall for it) ruse.

There are all manner of ways that something like telekinesis could be scientifically tested. And it has been tested many times. A 2006 systematic review of several hundred studies looking at telekinetic manipulation of random number generators found that there was basically no evidence at all of any telekinesis. There was some evidence of a publication bias though...

Originally Posted by Davide

I expect you to pe sceptic but think for a bit, if it does not exist, then WHY does it not exist? Just because we did not discovered it by now? That means that the earth was flat for good before 1451 . Be open minded and think about it.

Open-mindedness and scepticism are not opposites, they're complimentary. Having no filter for what you accept as plausible is not open minded, it's credulous. It is entirely appropriate to be sceptical towards claims about things like telekinesis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

The original question might be hypothetical, but this is the science forum, and we should be concentrating on science. Science requires detailed empirical testing. As Biologista pointed out, lots of such testing has been done, and shown beyond any reasonable doubt, that telekinesis is mythical. Science does not deal with myths. We leave that to those who are religious or hold pseudo-religious beliefs. (My definition of pseudo-religious is a belief that is based on faith, as is religion, but without any involvement of any hypothetical deity.)

Those who are interested might like to check on the prize offered by James Randi. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
This is a one million dollar prize to anyone who can show, under controlled and scientific conditions, any paranormal ability at all. This prize has been available for several decades, and remains unclaimed. A few deluded souls have tried for it, but have been totally unable to demonstrate, under those controlled conditions, any paranormal ability. If you can imagine a better incentive than a million dollars to show off your telekinesis, then please let me know!

There are also a number of similar prizes offered by assorted sceptical organisations, which also remain unclaimed. This is extraordinarily powerful evidence that telekinesis is purely mythical.