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    (No names)....For what it's worth. Can't vouch for any accuracy but my sister is a very honest woman and I don't think she'd be out to fool anyone. Not sure of her friend in China though. She sent me following email re: coronavirus (temp in Celsius)

    My classmate's uncle, graduated with a master's degree, and work in Shenzhen Hospital. He is being transferred to study Wuhan pneumonia virus. He just called me and told me to tell my friends: If you have a runny nose and sputum when you have a cold, you cannot be a new type of coronavirus pneumonia, because coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough without runny nose. This is the simplest way to identify. Please tell your friends that if you know more about medical knowledge, you will have more awareness of identification and prevention.

    The Wuhan virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed at a temperature of 26-27 degrees. Therefore, drink more hot water. You can tell your friends and relatives to drink more hot water to prevent it. Go under the Sun. It has been cold recently, and drinking hot water is also very comfortable. It is not a cure and is good for the body. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink ice, remember!

    Doctor's advice about coronavirus:

    1. It is pretty large in size (cell is about 400-500nm diameter), so any normal mask (not just the N95 feature) should be able to filter it out. However, when someone who's infected sneezes in front of you, it will take a great 3 meters (about 10 feet) before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

    2. When the virus drops on metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours. So remember if you come in contact with any metal surface, wash your hands with soap thoroughly.

    3. The virus can remain active on fabric for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent should kill the virus. For winter clothing that does not require daily washing, you can put it out under the sun to kill the virus.

    About the symptoms of the pneumonia caused by Coronavirus:

    1. It will first infect the throat, so the throat will have the dry sore throat feeling which will last for 3 to 4 days

    2. Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and enter the lungs, causing pneumonia. This process will take 5 to 6 days.

    3. With pneumonia, comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. It's important to go seek immediate medical attention if you feel like this.

    About prevention:

    1. The most common way of getting infected is by touching things in public, so you must wash your hands frequently. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 mins, but a lot can happen in those 5-10 mins (you can rub your eyes or pick your nose unwittingly).

    2. Aside from washing your hands frequently, you can gargle with Betadine Sore Throat Gargle to eliminate or minimize the germs while they are still in your throat (before dripping down to your lungs).

    Folks, take extra care and drink plenty of water.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    (No names)....For what it's worth. Can't vouch for any accuracy but my sister is a very honest woman and I don't think she'd be out to fool anyone. Not sure of her friend in China though. She sent me following email re: coronavirus (temp in Celsius)

    My classmate's uncle, graduated with a master's degree, and work in Shenzhen Hospital. He is being transferred to study Wuhan pneumonia virus. He just called me and told me to tell my friends: If you have a runny nose and sputum when you have a cold, you cannot be a new type of coronavirus pneumonia, because coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough without runny nose. This is the simplest way to identify. Please tell your friends that if you know more about medical knowledge, you will have more awareness of identification and prevention.

    The Wuhan virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed at a temperature of 26-27 degrees. Therefore, drink more hot water. You can tell your friends and relatives to drink more hot water to prevent it. Go under the Sun. It has been cold recently, and drinking hot water is also very comfortable. It is not a cure and is good for the body. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink ice, remember!

    Doctor's advice about coronavirus:

    1. It is pretty large in size (cell is about 400-500nm diameter), so any normal mask (not just the N95 feature) should be able to filter it out. However, when someone who's infected sneezes in front of you, it will take a great 3 meters (about 10 feet) before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

    2. When the virus drops on metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours. So remember if you come in contact with any metal surface, wash your hands with soap thoroughly.

    3. The virus can remain active on fabric for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent should kill the virus. For winter clothing that does not require daily washing, you can put it out under the sun to kill the virus.

    About the symptoms of the pneumonia caused by Coronavirus:

    1. It will first infect the throat, so the throat will have the dry sore throat feeling which will last for 3 to 4 days

    2. Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and enter the lungs, causing pneumonia. This process will take 5 to 6 days.

    3. With pneumonia, comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. It's important to go seek immediate medical attention if you feel like this.

    About prevention:

    1. The most common way of getting infected is by touching things in public, so you must wash your hands frequently. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 mins, but a lot can happen in those 5-10 mins (you can rub your eyes or pick your nose unwittingly).

    2. Aside from washing your hands frequently, you can gargle with Betadine Sore Throat Gargle to eliminate or minimize the germs while they are still in your throat (before dripping down to your lungs).

    Folks, take extra care and drink plenty of water.
    There was a guy who's had it on the radio yesterday, who confirms he did not have a runny nose, just fever and aches and pains for a couple of days and a persistent, dry - repeat dry - cough. He did not get it into the lungs and thus had no pneumonia.

    Is it really true that a mask will filter particles of 1/2 micron size? I have no idea, but that is quite small, it seems to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    (No names)....For what it's worth. Can't vouch for any accuracy but my sister is a very honest woman and I don't think she'd be out to fool anyone. Not sure of her friend in China though. She sent me following email re: coronavirus (temp in Celsius)

    My classmate's uncle, graduated with a master's degree, and work in Shenzhen Hospital. He is being transferred to study Wuhan pneumonia virus. He just called me and told me to tell my friends: If you have a runny nose and sputum when you have a cold, you cannot be a new type of coronavirus pneumonia, because coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough without runny nose. This is the simplest way to identify. Please tell your friends that if you know more about medical knowledge, you will have more awareness of identification and prevention.

    The Wuhan virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed at a temperature of 26-27 degrees. Therefore, drink more hot water. You can tell your friends and relatives to drink more hot water to prevent it. Go under the Sun. It has been cold recently, and drinking hot water is also very comfortable. It is not a cure and is good for the body. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink ice, remember!

    Doctor's advice about coronavirus:

    1. It is pretty large in size (cell is about 400-500nm diameter), so any normal mask (not just the N95 feature) should be able to filter it out. However, when someone who's infected sneezes in front of you, it will take a great 3 meters (about 10 feet) before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

    2. When the virus drops on metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours. So remember if you come in contact with any metal surface, wash your hands with soap thoroughly.

    3. The virus can remain active on fabric for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent should kill the virus. For winter clothing that does not require daily washing, you can put it out under the sun to kill the virus.

    About the symptoms of the pneumonia caused by Coronavirus:

    1. It will first infect the throat, so the throat will have the dry sore throat feeling which will last for 3 to 4 days

    2. Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and enter the lungs, causing pneumonia. This process will take 5 to 6 days.

    3. With pneumonia, comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. It's important to go seek immediate medical attention if you feel like this.

    About prevention:

    1. The most common way of getting infected is by touching things in public, so you must wash your hands frequently. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 mins, but a lot can happen in those 5-10 mins (you can rub your eyes or pick your nose unwittingly).

    2. Aside from washing your hands frequently, you can gargle with Betadine Sore Throat Gargle to eliminate or minimize the germs while they are still in your throat (before dripping down to your lungs).

    Folks, take extra care and drink plenty of water.
    There was a guy who's had it on the radio yesterday, who confirms he did not have a runny nose, just fever and aches and pains for a couple of days and a persistent, dry - repeat dry - cough. He did not get it into the lungs and thus had no pneumonia.

    Is it really true that a mask will filter particles of 1/2 micron size? I have no idea, but that is quite small, it seems to me.
    I thought so too.
    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2020...2172797b5.html

    95% at 75nm it says here.

    I was wondering if it might be any good for potato blight spores if used in a ventilation system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Is it really true that a mask will filter particles of 1/2 micron size? I have no idea, but that is quite small, it seems to me.
    The problem with the standard, cheap masks that you see people wearing is that they don't form a seal where they fit the face and so don't provide much protection. You are not breathing through the fabric so particle / pore size is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    (No names)....For what it's worth. Can't vouch for any accuracy but my sister is a very honest woman and I don't think she'd be out to fool anyone. Not sure of her friend in China though. She sent me following email re: coronavirus (temp in Celsius)
    I have seen the same thing posted by several people on social media. (They can't all be your relatives!)

    I am no expert but it looks like a lot of misinformation (and, therefore, potentially dangerous).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Is it really true that a mask will filter particles of 1/2 micron size? I have no idea, but that is quite small, it seems to me.
    The problem with the standard, cheap masks that you see people wearing is that they don't form a seal where they fit the face and so don't provide much protection. You are not breathing through the fabric so particle / pore size is irrelevant.
    Thanks. I've now read the same. Also a mask does not prevent your eyes being exposed, so I read. So the advice seem to be not to bother with one.
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    Apart from drinking warm water, try Tai Chi. It definitely warms up the body with minimal movement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYQg86fEH4


    This is an extract from the 24 move short form and should take only 7-8 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Apart from drinking warm water, try Tai Chi. It definitely warms up the body with minimal movement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYQg86fEH4


    This is an extract from the 24 move short form and should take only 7-8 minutes.
    This will, of course, have absolutely no effect in preventing a viral infection or combatting it if you have one.
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    I have heard that UV light kills viruses and that simply being out of doors is efficacious in this regard.

    Would it kill viruses on one's clothes and on one's skin?


    Would the Sun need to be shining or is there also UV light on cloudy days?

    Edit: Are disposable tissues (used just the once presumably) better than old fashioned reusable hankies that one would put in the wash?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    I have heard that UV light kills viruses and that simply being out of doors is efficacious in this regard.

    Would it kill viruses on one's clothes and on one's skin?
    Yes, but they would not survive there very long anyway. And it won't do anything about the virus once it has entered your system.

    I think there may a bit of mythology around this because we don't get colds and flu as much in winter. But that is mainly because we spend more time close together indoors in winter.

    Would the Sun need to be shining or is there also UV light on cloudy days?
    There is a lot of UV on overcast days. But as any beneficial effects are minimal anyway, it isn't worth thinking about.

    Edit: Are disposable tissues (used just the once presumably) better than old fashioned reusable hankies that one would put in the wash?
    Yes. YES. YES.

    Sneeze/cough into a tissue, throw it away and then wash your hands. This is good advice at any time but especially now.

    (Also, after living in Japan for many years, the sight of someone using a cloth handkerchief for this purpose makes me feel physically ill. You keep a neatly folded handkerchief in your pocket for two reasons only: drying your hands after washing them in a public toilet or mopping your brow in summer.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    I have heard that UV light kills viruses and that simply being out of doors is efficacious in this regard.

    Would it kill viruses on one's clothes and on one's skin?
    Yes, but they would not survive there very long anyway. And it won't do anything about the virus once it has entered your system.

    I think there may a bit of mythology around this because we don't get colds and flu as much in winter. But that is mainly because we spend more time close together indoors in winter.

    Would the Sun need to be shining or is there also UV light on cloudy days?
    There is a lot of UV on overcast days. But as any beneficial effects are minimal anyway, it isn't worth thinking about.
    So what would you say to what I heard on the radio,where someone was defending the continuation of large outdoor events (e.g. the St Patrick's Day Parades) on the grounds that they were outdoor events and inherently less risky in this context than indoor events?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    So what would you say to what I heard on the radio,where someone was defending the continuation of large outdoor events (e.g. the St Patrick's Day Parades) on the grounds that they were outdoor events and inherently less risky in this context than indoor events?
    I don't think I could comment. Too many unknowns. For example, if the event includes drinking, dancing, singing, shouting and close physical contact (e.g. hugging others) then there is a greater risk associated (drink lowers the immune response, a lot of movement and singing/shouting could increase the sharing of bodily fluids, ditto close contact).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Apart from drinking warm water, try Tai Chi. It definitely warms up the body with minimal movement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYQg86fEH4


    This is an extract from the 24 move short form and should take only 7-8 minutes.
    Or ANY FORM of exercise will bring up the body temperature. Yoga, stair climbs, walking, etc...

    All of which, as noted by strange are irrelevant to the thread at hand ( suggest splitting out)
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    Just about anybody should be able to practice simple Tai Chi to help raise or maintain body temperature if practiced once or twice daily. It is usually done indoors and may well alleviate the effects of any virus.
    To say vulnerable older people to a virus are able to practice yoga is nonsense. The only form of yoga I know which can increase body temperature is way too difficult for the elderly. Walking is done outdoors and may not be great if the weather is bad.
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    As far as the virus is concerned there are known knowns, known unknowns...you know the rest.

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    close physical contact...hugging others.

    A bit alarmed last week that someone I know was talking to Italians then came over and hugged me.
    But so far so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Just about anybody should be able to practice simple Tai Chi to help raise or maintain body temperature if practiced once or twice daily. It is usually done indoors and may well alleviate the effects of any virus.
    To say vulnerable older people to a virus are able to practice yoga is nonsense. The only form of yoga I know which can increase body temperature is way too difficult for the elderly. Walking is done outdoors and may not be great if the weather is bad.
    Bollocks. You disdain for practices that arent t'ai Chi has been well noted before. You have absolutely no evidence that Tai Chi you pull affect viral infection at all. Please cite your sources that only one form of yoga will raise the body temperature and that form of yoga is too difficult for certain age sets to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
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    close physical contact...hugging others.

    A bit alarmed last week that someone I know was talking to Italians then came over and hugged me.
    But so far so good.
    What a great example of xenophobia and racism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    close physical contact...hugging others.
    A bit alarmed last week that someone I know was talking to Italians then came over and hugged me.
    But so far so good.
    What a great example of xenophobia and racism

    This is the person that blamed the proliferation of Kentucky Fried Chicken and Indian restaurants on membership of the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Please cite your sources that only one form of yoga will raise the body temperature and that form of yoga is too difficult for certain age sets to do
    You were the one that claimed yoga is exercise. Yoga, as generally understood, is holding a pose (Asana) or breathing in a special way (Pranayama). Exercise?
    Of the different types of yoga I've practiced over 50 years the only one I've found that can raise body temperature is the so called Kundalini (heat) yoga which takes a great deal of application and flexibility. I can get it to work but it takes time and my body needs to be injury free.
    The people most at risk from the flu are people like me with a respiratory problem which I've had all my life (asthma) and the elderly like me (70).

    As you made the claim that yoga can raise body temperature then you explain what type of yoga and how it should be performed.
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    Per whom is it the definitions you have provided and thus NOT accepted as a form of exercise?

    You also admit to being massively biased towards anything that you dont like, such as yoga. So your personal experiance is not good enough
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    Keep the yoga crap pseudo science out of the thread please ox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    yoga crap pseudo science
    Then you should direct your anger at the person who brought it up, which wasn't me.

    It's not crap. https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ges-the-brain/

    And it's not pseudo science. Nobel prizewinning molecular biologist Elizabeth Blackburn advises yoga, meditation, Tai Chi and Qigong to repair ageing cells in her book The Telomere Effect.
    All are practiced by me and until science finds a solution, as a person in a vulnerable group, I'll increase their practice.
    That's the book you said you'd read but then didn't, as you always know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Then you should direct your anger at the person who brought it up, which wasn't me.
    You brought up Tai Chi...
    It's not crap. https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ges-the-brain/
    And it's not pseudo science. Nobel prizewinning molecular biologist Elizabeth Blackburn advises yoga, meditation, Tai Chi and Qigong to repair ageing cells in her book The Telomere Effect.
    And now you're compounding the crap: the claims in the telomere book aren't backed up by science: as noted extensively the last time you brought it up and failed to substantiate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Last warning.
    Go ahead.
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    meh, thescienceforum is also infected by corona, so tired hearing about. i bet more ppl died from a 'normal' flu in the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curious mind View Post
    meh, thescienceforum is also infected by corona, so tired hearing about. i bet more ppl died from a 'normal' flu in the same time.
    Probably. But only because efforts have been made to limit and delay the spread. As it is, health services in many places are being overwhelmed, with many other treatments being delayed and lives put at risk, even of those who do not have the disease. They struggle at this time of year, anyway, because of seasonal flu (which has a much lower rate of people needing hospital treatment). Having tens, potentially hundreds, of thousands of extra people (some critically ill and needing intensive care) is going to cause serious problems.

    You may be tired of hearing about it (some of us are getting a little tired of being confined to our homes) but the whole point of all the restrictions is to "flatten the curve" to try and keep the pressure on the health service within manageable limits.

    And the way you write 'normal' flu suggest you think this is similar to flu. It isn't. It is completely different. And it has a much higher fatality rate. Probably ten times higher, maybe more. For those who get a serious form of the disease, it can cause permanent organ damage (lungs, kidney, liver, possibly others).
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    Ways to boost your immune system with crap pseudoscience turns out to include yoga, meditation and tai chi (OMG).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...rch-shows.html
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    i bet the side effect deaths, due to not getting needed medicine/treatment will be higher than the corona deaths.
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