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    In a week when I've learned drinking sugary drinks can cause cancer, then what else is bad for you?
    Long given up on bananas (radioactive), meat and eggs (risk of heart attack), processed foods, white bread. List seems to go on forever.

    Even water isn't safe.
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325038.php

    What are your views on this?


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    My view is do not make dietary decisions based on headlines. Read the actual studies!
    Bananas are not dangerous...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    In a week when I've learned drinking sugary drinks can cause cancer, then what else is bad for you?
    Long given up on bananas (radioactive), meat and eggs (risk of heart attack), processed foods, white bread. List seems to go on forever.

    Even water isn't safe.
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325038.php

    What are your views on this?
    I ignore the sensationalist headlines and look at meta studies on the topic.
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    It seems any study of any food and drink can reveal they are bad for you.
    Alcohol is both good for and bad for you. Today I learn up to a pint of beer a day can help prevent dementia.

    We have been told in the last few days we need to sleep at least 7 hours a night to also help prevent mental illness, by a government that has encouraged the 24/7 economy.

    Remember the advice that sitting is bad for you and standing is good.
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...9.2017.1420825
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    In a week when I've learned drinking sugary drinks can cause cancer, then what else is bad for you?
    Long given up on bananas (radioactive), meat and eggs (risk of heart attack), processed foods, white bread. List seems to go on forever.

    Even water isn't safe.
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325038.php

    What are your views on this?
    The Daily Mail (the epitome of this sort of tragic reporting) once published an issue with a headline on one page saying "Chocolate Causes Cancer" and a few pages later "Chocolate Cures Cancer". This idiocy doesn't seemed to have slowed their rate of nonsense generation.
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    The Daily Hate wants to be loved.
    Are you saying they can't change their mind? That's why the message was quickly changed.

    What 'scientists' come up with these studies?
    Are they 5th rate ones who just want to be noticed?

    Meanwhile, indulge in guilty pleasures.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-health.html
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    Its not the scientists that have issues. Its news reporters who dont at all understand limited direct studies are NOT the same as large meta studies. your news sources are Crap.
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    Let's take the "radioactive" bananas as an example. This is based on the idea that a certain percentage of Potassium that occurs naturally is in the form of a radioactive isotope, and everyone knows that bananas are high in Potassium.
    However, the Potassium isotope isn't very radioactive and has a long half-life ( the longer the half-life, the fewer atoms of any given sample will decay within a fixed time frame.) In order to ingest enough of this isotope to increase your risk of death by even one part in a million would require eating 1000 bananas in a sitting.
    Nor can you assume eating a lot of bananas over a lifetime would have an accumulative effect. This is because Potassium is an important element in the proper operation of our bodies. As such, the body regulates its potassium levels. Excess Potassium won't be stored, but will be removed through normal waste disposal. Ergo, no matter how many bananas you eat over a lifetime, you are not going to build up a store of the radioactive isotope as it will remain pretty close to being a constant through out your life.

    Besides that, the daily recommended intake of Potassium is between 3500-4700 mg, while a single banana only has 470 mg. So a banana a day only supplies you with ~13% of the lower value of the amount you need to keep healthy.
    Avoiding Potassium due to the risk of radioactivity is like avoiding drinking liquids due to the risk of drowning; You'd be doing more harm than good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    The Daily Hate wants to be loved.
    Are you saying they can't change their mind? That's why the message was quickly changed.
    It is nothing to do with "changing their mind" (I don't think they have one between them). It was just their desire for outrageous headlines at any cost. Even if it means making things up.

    What 'scientists' come up with these studies?
    Are they 5th rate ones who just want to be noticed?
    The problem is not the science, it is the morons who write for "newspapers" like the Daily Mail

    Meanwhile, indulge in guilty pleasures.
    The forum software ought not to allow links like that.
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    If the Hate gets it wrong, then what about this?
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ad-health.html

    Having established that sitting and standing is bad for you, be also aware of this.
    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com...e21324503.ece1
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    Why exactly do you regard the hindu business line as a good source for science?
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    Drinks are particularly harmful for us When you drink liquid calories, your brain doesn't appear to register them as food and your systems get disturb.
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    What drinks do you mean? Are they as bad as not drinking? Do you have any evidence for your, frankly, daft statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan452 View Post
    Drinks are particularly harmful for us When you drink liquid calories, your brain doesn't appear to register them as food and your systems get disturb.
    Cite your source....
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    I am not sure ,whether we are permitted to state our personal ideas or approaches under this thread.first,I will wait the forum's relevant leader's comment and then might state my claim.however,I have a different portrait in generality generating techniques so,I willl unfortunately be unable to give all explanations/details before publishing in relevant journals,we are already waiting decisions from somewhere.taken conditional acceptance from one journal and work on revisions.as stated ,it is correct that we still do not have published scientific materials ...and we think that it is a risk for us now to give all the explanations here or somewhere like herein relevant topic scurrently under this thread,yes we also (particularly ) agree to title and content. but not all foods and beverages are harmful.now this is the consistence of our response (waiting editor's comment)
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown_artist View Post
    I am not sure ,whether we are permitted to state our personal ideas or approaches under this thread.first,I will wait the forum's relevant leader's comment and then might state my claim.however,I have a different portrait in generality generating techniques so,I willl unfortunately be unable to give all explanations/details before publishing in relevant journals,we are already waiting decisions from somewhere.taken conditional acceptance from one journal and work on revisions.as stated ,it is correct that we still do not have published scientific materials ...and we think that it is a risk for us now to give all the explanations here or somewhere like herein relevant topic scurrently under this thread,yes we also (particularly ) agree to title and content. but not all foods and beverages are harmful.now this is the consistence of our response (waiting editor's comment)
    Do you want to try that again in English?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown_artist View Post
    I am not sure ,whether we are permitted to state our personal ideas or approaches under this thread.first,I will wait the forum's relevant leader's comment and then might state my claim.however,I have a different portrait in generality generating techniques so,I willl unfortunately be unable to give all explanations/details before publishing in relevant journals,we are already waiting decisions from somewhere.taken conditional acceptance from one journal and work on revisions.as stated ,it is correct that we still do not have published scientific materials ...and we think that it is a risk for us now to give all the explanations here or somewhere like herein relevant topic scurrently under this thread,yes we also (particularly ) agree to title and content. but not all foods and beverages are harmful.now this is the consistence of our response (waiting editor's comment)
    Do you want to try that again in English?
    Of course.one of my articles is approved to be published with major corrections (of course in english)
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    You havent stated ANYTHING yet.

    Please just get to the point without all the waffling about.
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    Back on the menu https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49877237

    At least until the next study.
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    So I see your still not paying attention to the information you have been given here. Specifically that news reports are worse that crap for actuate medical reporting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Back on the menu https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49877237

    At least until the next study.
    Never off the menu. Anyone who decides to not eat (or eat) something because of research like this needs their head examining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Never off the menu. Anyone who decides to not eat (or eat) something because of research like this needs their head examining.
    Bad news for vegan commercial diets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Never off the menu. Anyone who decides to not eat (or eat) something because of research like this needs their head examining.
    Bad news for vegan commercial diets.
    Anyone who chooses to become vegan (or not) because of research like this needs their head examining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    I am not sure ,whether we are permitted to state our personal ideas or approaches under this thread.first,I will wait the forum's relevant leader's comment and then might state my claim.however,I have a different portrait in generality generating techniques so,I willl unfortunately be unable to give all explanations/details before publishing in relevant journals,we are already waiting decisions from somewhere.taken conditional acceptance from one journal and work on revisions.as stated ,it is correct that we still do not have published scientific materials ...and we think that it is a risk for us now to give all the explanations here or somewhere like herein relevant topic scurrently under this thread,yes we also (particularly ) agree to title and content. but not all foods and beverages are harmful.now this is the consistence of our response (waiting editor's comment)
    Do you want to try that again in English?

    Strange, now I have money. but again won't hire you.
    because I do not need that,sorry.

    (normally intelligible and hardworking one would not need that)

    explanation to thread (in order not to be off topic)
    I was to express that not all of foods were efficacious.
    you should select the efficacious foods for you in order to feel & live better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Let's take the "radioactive" bananas as an example. This is based on the idea that a certain percentage of Potassium that occurs naturally is in the form of a radioactive isotope, and everyone knows that bananas are high in Potassium.
    However, the Potassium isotope isn't very radioactive and has a long half-life ( the longer the half-life, the fewer atoms of any given sample will decay within a fixed time frame.) In order to ingest enough of this isotope to increase your risk of death by even one part in a million would require eating 1000 bananas in a sitting.
    Nor can you assume eating a lot of bananas over a lifetime would have an accumulative effect. This is because Potassium is an important element in the proper operation of our bodies. As such, the body regulates its potassium levels. Excess Potassium won't be stored, but will be removed through normal waste disposal. Ergo, no matter how many bananas you eat over a lifetime, you are not going to build up a store of the radioactive isotope as it will remain pretty close to being a constant through out your life.

    Besides that, the daily recommended intake of Potassium is between 3500-4700 mg, while a single banana only has 470 mg. So a banana a day only supplies you with ~13% of the lower value of the amount you need to keep healthy.
    Avoiding Potassium due to the risk of radioactivity is like avoiding drinking liquids due to the risk of drowning; You'd be doing more harm than good.
    Leaving aside that the amounts are still very low, I did wonder what radioactive Potassium decays into and if it could be problematic. Turns out Potassium 40, the most common radioactive isotope, decays to Calcium 40, the most common (and stable and safest) isotope.

    There would be some alpha and beta particles given off and any compounds the decaying element were part of would be messed with and new ones formed - something happening at low levels all the time, but the carcinogenic problems with radioactive elements are, if I understand right, primarily chemical in nature. Some elements decay to things that are nasty, that bind to or disrupt molecules they shouldn't. I don't know what would happen to the new Calcium atom or the bits of molecules it was part of but live cells do have ways and means to clean up what should not be there, some reabsorbed, some excreted. Not 100% successfully.
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    Reason why we eat in the first place is the Second Law of Thermodynamics or entropy when applied to the body.
    Not eating will result in early death as the body is constantly dispersing energy in the form of heat.
    Too much food is also bad. The promotion of food products and fancy cookery is IMO simply disgraceful.

    you should select the efficacious foods for you in order to feel & live better.
    You need to fine tune your food intake with a variety of different foods, and not starve yourself or indulge.
    Everything in life and the universe seems to be subjected to this second law.
    Entropy can be constructive (birth) as well as destructive (death). The right amount of food plays a massive part in our lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Reason why we eat in the first place is the Second Law of Thermodynamics or entropy when applied to the body.
    Not eating will result in early death as the body is constantly dispersing energy in the form of heat.
    Too much food is also bad. The promotion of food products and fancy cookery is IMO simply disgraceful.
    yes , thermodynamics explains and clarifies a piece. but not the bulk of unknown things.
    for instance, as far as I know, the more entropy increases, the more irrregularity increases.
    there should be some equations for entropy. (I do not remember well ,but probably something like this: (Delta)S=k.Q.(delta)T)
    one another keyword here,should be homeostasis.
    ((This (following) sentence might be wrong,not sure) but I also remember that) organisms tries to decrease entropy (or min) and in total environment the entropy was always increasing.

    I think rather than trying to increase or decrease something, we should reach an equality (some norms might exist)

    You need to fine tune your food intake with a variety of different foods, and not starve yourself or indulge.
    Everything in life and the universe seems to be subjected to this second law.
    Entropy can be constructive (birth) as well as destructive (death). The right amount of food plays a massive part in our lives.
    well, yes I agree that we need to eat something, but surely not everything (i.e. every foods). not clasically speaking, I do not imply just sugar or harmful lipits, but also the bulk of traditional foods/beverages.
    and not just science can explain everything. I both unfortunately & luckily witnessed that, surely, some problems were, in fact, solutable but unknown globally.
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    Without going into too many statistics the obesity rate in the UK is still rising. In some places it could be 1 in 3 people are classed as obese based upon BMI measurement.
    Happy to say I'm not one of those. Instead I was brought up in austerity Britain when food was scarce or even rationed. One proper cooked meal a week. Other days it was soggy cereal for breakfast, school dinner for lunch (yuk!) and beans or egg on toast for evening meal followed by custard. Not much added sugar or salt there. The actual dislike of food still lives with me.
    Now the link between being overweight and coronavirus complicates the problem.
    On TV there is something like a hundred cookery programs a week across the channels which makes it even worse.
    I think we need to go back to a paleo diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Without going into too many statistics the obesity rate in the UK is still rising. In some places it could be 1 in 3 people are classed as obese based upon BMI measurement.
    Happy to say I'm not one of those. Instead I was brought up in austerity Britain when food was scarce or even rationed. One proper cooked meal a week. Other days it was soggy cereal for breakfast, school dinner for lunch (yuk!) and beans or egg on toast for evening meal followed by custard. Not much added sugar or salt there. The actual dislike of food still lives with me.
    Now the link between being overweight and coronavirus complicates the problem.
    On TV there is something like a hundred cookery programs a week across the channels which makes it even worse.
    I think we need to go back to a paleo diet.
    Not many mammoths at the Stratford-on-Avon ASDA, though........
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    Stratford-upon-Avon does not have an ASDA. There is an ASDA Home, but they do not sell food.

    If I want to see a mammoth I need to go to Craven Arms Discovery Centre in Shropshire about 50 miles away.

    As for dinosaurs, they ruled the world for 100 million years by eating a paleo diet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    Without going into too many statistics the obesity rate in the UK is still rising. In some places it could be 1 in 3 people are classed as obese based upon BMI measurement.
    Happy to say I'm not one of those. Instead I was brought up in austerity Britain when food was scarce or even rationed. One proper cooked meal a week. Other days it was soggy cereal for breakfast, school dinner for lunch (yuk!) and beans or egg on toast for evening meal followed by custard. Not much added sugar or salt there. The actual dislike of food still lives with me.
    Now the link between being overweight and coronavirus complicates the problem.
    On TV there is something like a hundred cookery programs a week across the channels which makes it even worse.
    I think we need to go back to a paleo diet.
    Not many mammoths at the Stratford-on-Avon ASDA, though........
    Go to France (back in the day)

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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Without going into too many statistics the obesity rate in the UK is still rising. In some places it could be 1 in 3 people are classed as obese based upon BMI measurement.
    Happy to say I'm not one of those. Instead I was brought up in austerity Britain when food was scarce or even rationed. One proper cooked meal a week. Other days it was soggy cereal for breakfast, school dinner for lunch (yuk!) and beans or egg on toast for evening meal followed by custard. Not much added sugar or salt there. The actual dislike of food still lives with me.
    Now the link between being overweight and coronavirus complicates the problem.
    On TV there is something like a hundred cookery programs a week across the channels which makes it even worse.
    I think we need to go back to a paleo diet.
    Not many mammoths at the Stratford-on-Avon ASDA, though........
    Go to France (back in the day)

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    Yeah. Back in the day............
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    Not sure if it ever was a mammoth.
    https://www.shropshirestar.com/enter...ing-historian/

    And they will charge you.

    But I still recommend the McDino diet over the McSh*t.
    Grazing mammoths lived for 5 million years.
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