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    I was puzzled when doing some blood tests because the sheet which I delievered had like maybe 70+ options that blood tests could reveal. If all of these and maybe more can reveal so many diseases or lack of nutritions and so on and so on - then this would mean all of these are in our bloodstream constantly, otherwise the tests wouldnt be able to show them right?

    The reason Im wondering about this is because if our bloodstream has traces of this insane pool of nutritions, hormones and everything else - wouldnt these somehow cause some sort of reaction in the body?
    As with chemistry, mixing 2 or 3 things can cause an extreme range of reactions and transformations. This is why I wonder how this shitload of different elements (excuse my language), wont cause harmful or other "effects" on our body when mixed together.


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    Evolution would have disqualified individuals with such problems.


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    Blood is not a simple thing. It goes everywhere in your body, picks up products from all the organs. I've been having a full blood workup every week for 6 months, and there's a lot of components.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    Evolution would have disqualified individuals with such problems.
    I just find it extremely facinating that blood can have so many parts without them interacting with eachother in a neagtive way. It seems so strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
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    Evolution would have disqualified individuals with such problems.
    I just find it extremely facinating that blood can have so many parts without them interacting with eachother in a neagtive way. It seems so strange.
    Not only don't they interact negatively, they've got to interact positively for blood to function correctly.
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    Yepp, all of that stuff is in your blood! Some of it in very, very tiny amounts, but it's still there, and it all plays a role in your physiology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
    I just find it extremely facinating that blood can have so many parts without them interacting with eachother in a neagtive way. It seems so strange.
    Blood has similarities to the street traffic. How is it that all those different vehicles can interact with each other at all: sedans, motorcycles, SUVs, sports cars, police cruisers, public buses, school buses, fire engines, ambulances, delivery vans, hearses, ice cream trucks, bicycles, pedestrians, tractor-trailers, tow trucks, armored trucks, sight-seeing trolleys, garbage trucks, the presidential limo, etc, etc. They are all different sizes, go different speeds, going to different destinations! However, we see them interacting just fine every day, and they are an easy size for us to understand.

    So, all you need to do is shrink yourself down to the size of blood components to understand how they interact so well. Simple!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
    I was puzzled when doing some blood tests because the sheet which I delivered had like maybe 70+ options that blood tests could reveal. If all of these and maybe more can reveal so many diseases or lack of nutrition and so on and so on - then this would mean all of these are in our bloodstream constantly, otherwise the tests wouldn't be able to show them right?

    The reason I'm wondering about this is because if our bloodstream has traces of this insane pool of nutrition, hormones and everything else - wouldn't these somehow cause some sort of reaction in the body?
    As with chemistry, mixing 2 or 3 things can cause an extreme range of reactions and transformations. This is why I wonder how this shitload of different elements (excuse my language), wont cause harmful or other "effects" on our body when mixed together.
    I'm a firm believer in getting comprehensive blood test every year. If you haven't noticed most doctors never show you the results of blood test they order for you. I use the Life Extension Foundation male panel. They have a special once a year where you can get a complete male or female blood panel done for only $200.00. Since most insurance companies won't pay for this type of blood test, $200.00 is a very good price and well worth it IMO. When you get the results, you see the test results for each test. You get the optimal range, the actual result and a flag for any test result where you fall outside of the range high or low.

    If you are being treated for anything or just supplementing yourself, you can monitor any changes from year to year. All I can say is knowing and being more involved in your own health sure beats not knowing and depending only on what some other person is telling you. They might be good doctors, but even good doctors respond and work with actively involved patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    Evolution would have disqualified individuals with such problems.
    I just find it extremely facinating that blood can have so many parts without them interacting with eachother in a neagtive way. It seems so strange.
    And when that happens that would be another disease or condition, e.g. carbon monoxide poisoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
    I'm a firm believer in getting comprehensive blood test every year. If you haven't noticed most doctors never show you the results of blood test they order for you.
    Well it's your money... I hope. There's really no reason to get a yearly blood test unless your doctor recommends it for some condition, family history+age or another valid reason. It's probably a good example why many preventative diagnostic or care techniques don't actually save money in several studies.

    The second comment is odd, I've always seen the results of every type of blood test I've ever had, as well as an explanation of what the numbers mean--everyone should get that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
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    I'm a firm believer in getting comprehensive blood test every year. If you haven't noticed most doctors never show you the results of blood test they order for you.
    Well it's your money... I hope. There's really no reason to get a yearly blood test unless your doctor recommends it for some condition, family history+age or another valid reason. It's probably a good example why many preventative diagnostic or care techniques don't actually save money in several studies.

    The second comment is odd, I've always seen the results of every type of blood test I've ever had, as well as an explanation of what the numbers mean--everyone should get that much.
    Many of the test would never be ordered by your doctor, but can be very useful for instance do you know what you hormone levels are? Free Testosterone, DHEA-Sulfate & Estradiol. Those 3 things can affect your life adversely. Yet doctors don't routinely test men for those levels and when they are low they don't routinely treat that as a problem that should be treated. However if you know your levels are low, you can at least start asking questions that let your doctor know you are concerned about it. Secondly there are ways to supplement yourself to help correct low hormone levels. I admit that doing that is controversial, but the latest studies suggest that low hormone levels shorten your life by many years, and may be responsible for greater incidence of cancer and heart problems. Never mind that you have less energy and libido and your depressed more often.

    Also, do you know what your vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy levels are? If you aren't supplementing yourself, there's an 80% chance your levels are very low and that's not good. Most of the problems that happen because of low vitamin D levels can also be attributed to other reasons. So it's very hard to ever get a diagnoses of low D levels, and without that diagnoses the insurance companies won't pay for a test. Just knowing this one thing could make the $200.00 cost well worth it. But you get a whole lot more for your $200.

    You may well change your mind at some future time. I use to have your attitude and I believe differently now.
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    Honestly it sounds like you've had crappy medical care which has turned your head against the community for whatever reason.

    I have good libedo, have more energy than most men my age, and most definitely aren't depressed. About five years ago I developed lots of fatigue and got checked out. The first thing the doc checked was V-D levels, which were low like most soldiers and easy to fix with winter supplements. It didn't fix the problem and several months later I was diagnosed with the annoying inability to breath while I sleep--something that's since kept me tied to a damn CPAP machine most nights. Also because of family history of heart disease my blood fats are checked once a year.

    My experience with docs is relatively good. I tell them anything going on, and I trust them to test what's needed, and not frivolously waste money and my time to test things that almost certainly not needed. The only recommendation I've so far avoided is a colonoscopy baseline, because quite frankly with 70 first cousins and a huge Catholic family absolute no one on either side of my family has died of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Honestly it sounds like you've had crappy medical care which has turned your head against the community for whatever reason.

    I have good libido, have more energy than most men my age, and most definitely aren't depressed. About five years ago I developed lots of fatigue and got checked out. The first thing the doc checked was V-D levels, which were low like most soldiers and easy to fix with winter supplements. It didn't fix the problem and several months later I was diagnosed with the annoying inability to breath while I sleep--something that's since kept me tied to a damn CPAP machine most nights. Also because of family history of heart disease my blood fats are checked once a year.

    My experience with docs is relatively good. I tell them anything going on, and I trust them to test what's needed, and not frivolously waste money and my time to test things that almost certainly not needed. The only recommendation I've so far avoided is a colonoscopy baseline, because quite frankly with 70 first cousins and a huge Catholic family absolute no one on either side of my family has died of it.
    I've moved around a lot and one of the things I really hate is finding new doctors. But I've had some good ones and some not so good. But I can tell you that attitudes do change as you get older and start dealing with more health issues. Also, if I had your family history of zero colon cancer I wouldn't think I needed a colonoscopy either. I've had 2 of them back when they didn't put you out and they are very painful and extremely undignified and embarrassing. Now most doctors won't do that procedure without putting you to sleep first.

    Also, do you remember what your vitamin D levels were? <20 ng/mL is very unhealthy, 21-49 is considered low and 50-80 very good. I've been taking D supplements 10,000 iu per day for 4 months now and 5,000 iu/day for the previous 2 years and my current levels are only 69.5 ng/mL.
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