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    E-cigarette use for quitting smoking associated with improved success rates -- ScienceDaily

    Studies show that smokers who use electronic cigarettes as an interim step towards giving up smoking are significantly more likely to succeed. So will this new technology make the smoking situation better or worse?


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    Should make it better.

    More people will be able to give up entirely. People who can't give up the nicotine can avoid the dangers of the tars in the smoke. People who live with, or spend time near, such people don't have to tolerate second hand smoke. The carpets and curtains and cars of the world will smell better. Employers everywhere will be able to say no to smokebreaks, use one of these gadgets if you must.

    For those who don't know, nicotine itself has health effects on the brain and the circulation, but the tars are what cause the lung, bladder, throat and mouth cancers as well as COPD which probably has the biggest impact on long-term quality of life. So hospitals and health systems everywhere will benefit.

    But there's a real pushback from the killjoys and wowsers. Some are even talking about placing the same restrictions on vaporing as on smoking. Might sound reasonable at first glance, until you realise they'd include pubs and clubs in this banning. So it'd be OK to drink - which is associated with street fighting, car accidents and all sorts of harms to other people that smoking never has been - but not to "vape" (I think that's going to become the right word) when there's no discernible effect on anyone except the user. (Apart from some of the flavoring/ aromas affecting people. Some people apparently like the smell of some of them, some can't smell them at all, others would find them sweet/ sickly/ unpleasant in the same way as they do with some aftershaves or other perfumes.)


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    In electronic cigarettes no nicotine dosing. As a result, a person can be poisoned by nicotine. In electronic cigarettes no tar - it is a positive.
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    An electronic cigarette (e-cig or e-cigarette), personal vaporizer (PV) or electronic nicotine delivery system (ENDS) is a battery-powered vaporizer which simulates tobacco smoking by producing an aerosol that resembles smoke. It generally uses a heating element known as an atomizer, that vaporizes a liquid solution known as e-liquid. E-liquids usually contain a mixture of propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, nicotine, and flavorings, while others release a flavored vapor without nicotine.

    The benefits and risks of electronic cigarette use are uncertain. Some evidence suggests e-cigarettes may be safer than smoking tobacco products, and possibly as safe as other nicotine replacement products but there is insufficient data to draw conclusions. They carry a risk of addiction in those who do not already smoke, and may promote continuation of addiction in those who already smoke. With the spread of e-cigarette use, accidental nicotine poisoning has increased, especially among children, due to ingestion or skin exposure to e-cigarette liquids.

    The frequency of use has increased with up to 10% of American high school students having ever used them as of 2012 and around 3.4% of American adults as of 2011. In the UK the number of e-cigarette users has increased from 700,000 in 2012 to 2.1 million in 2013. About 60% are either smokers and the most of the rest are ex-smokers. Around 1% of people who don't smoke tobacco products have tried e-cigarettes. The majority of users who tried e-cigarette, continue to smoke traditional cigarettes. Currently marketed e-cigarette devices arose from an invention made in China in 2003 and devices are predominantly manufactured in China. E-cigarette brands have been rapidly expanding using aggressive marketing campaigns similar to those used to popularize cigarettes in the 1950s and 1960s.

    Because of the possible relationship to tobacco laws and medical drug policies, electronic cigarette legislation and public health investigations are currently pending and are being debated in many countries. The European Parliament passed regulations in February 2014 requiring standardization of liquids and personal vaporizers, disclosure of ingredients, and child- and tamper-proofing of liquid containers; the Food and Drug Administration published proposed regulations in April 2014 along similar lines.


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    I note that the first electronic joint is now available in Holland. Suck and get vaporised drug, without the impurities. Gotta be good!
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    If you are talking about the addiction of smoking habitually, i don't think it solves anything! Whats happening to the individual is a new form of habit to cure their oral fixation. We're not ridding the habit of smoking, it's the idea of smoking that has changed. Its suppose to be a better alternative for you, why, because your not smoking all those crazy chemicals you were once before? Or that it comes in a new battery operated device that emits vapor not smoke so the effects to others are less serious. Its just a tactic to hinder people from quitting, let me know if you know anyone who smokes less with Ecigs than they did with smoking regular cigs, by that i mean the urge they feel that they need to smoke..
    As a new technology for smoking, i can't say that it makes the smoking situation any better. Nicotine in its potent liquid form, is absorbed more quickly, even when diluted and flavored. .
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    E-Cigs have worked for me in substantially reducing my cigarette intake for over a year now. Here in Australia E-cigs with Nicotene cannot be distributed domestically but non-nicotine versions are available. I would prefer that E-Cigs were simply marketed like other Nicotine based therapies such as patches (and perhaps distributed through chemists). The attraction of these devices to youth as a first step towards cigarettes is a concern for me and some of the available brands are certainly targetting this segment with umpteen different flavours (a bit like the vast range of alcopops without the alcoholic kick that is targetted towards the kiddies).
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    Alcopops? whats that suppose to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannaBiologis View Post
    Alcopops? whats that suppose to be?

    The cynics amongst us frequently use that term referred to here. Of course you won't hear the marketers or the industry referring to this very impressive range of lolly water in these disparaging terms as they insist we drink responsibly......bwahahahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Implicate Order View Post
    E-Cigs have worked for me in substantially reducing my cigarette intake for over a year now. Here in Australia E-cigs with Nicotene cannot be distributed domestically but non-nicotine versions are available. I would prefer that E-Cigs were simply marketed like other Nicotine based therapies such as patches (and perhaps distributed through chemists). The attraction of these devices to youth as a first step towards cigarettes is a concern for me and some of the available brands are certainly targetting this segment with umpteen different flavours (a bit like the vast range of alcopops without the alcoholic kick that is targetted towards the kiddies).
    Isn't this like saying that instead of shooting heroin now you just smoke it? Sure, it's a marginal improvement. But you're still a heroin addict. Or in this case, a nicotine addict.

    In fact I'm dismayed that due to the perceived "safety" of e-cigs, nicotine is making a big comeback. Nicotine is a highly addictive substance that's very detrimental to the human body. To the extent that e-cigs promote nicotine use among former non-users, they're a bad thing.
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    That is an argument that researchers say is not correct. Ecigarettes are helping reduce, not increase, nicotine addiction.

    On heroin.
    Here in NZ, we have very little heroin problem. The reason is that we give registered addicts methadone instead. It satisfies the addiction, and drives heroin pushers into bankrupcy. Methadone does a lot less harm to the user, and they are gradually weaned off their habit. The same thing seems to apply to ecigarettes.
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    Success of ecigs for those trying to quite doesn't mean it won't or isn't having a net effect to increase nicotine addiction-- if you are starting to pick up nicotine it seems the obvious choice.
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    What it seems to your (or anyone's ) logic is irrelevant. It is what the data shows that counts, and there is no data to suggest that is happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
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    What it seems to your (or anyone's ) logic is irrelevant. It is what the data shows that counts, and there is no data to suggest that is happening.
    The data that's been shown (the OP study) only addresses whether it helps people stop smoking, not the broader question of its effects on total number of nicotine users.

    There's also evidence that it is becoming more acceptable, preferred by nicotine users and leading to a dramatic increase in nicotine overdoses as recently reported by the CDC:
    New CDC study finds dramatic increase in e-cigarette-related calls to poison centers | Press Release | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC
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