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    Hi every one, Can any one tell me , Is physical fitness important to learn self-defense


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    Think about it this way. Self defence is all about reaction speed, strength, the ability to receive blows, and coop with the pain. The fitter you are, the better you will be able to do all that, the better you will be able to defend yourself.

    Judo doesn't require strength to pivot a larger opponent (other than basic strength), but it definitely helps to be strong, and physically fit.


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    That depends entirely on what you mean by "self defence".
    Sitting in an impregnable fortress is highly defensive and requires very little fitness.
    An automatic rifle may also be used for defensive purposes. But you do have to be strong enough to lift and aim it.
    If you're talking about things like karate, kung fu, kickboxing etc. then the answer is, of course, yes.
    Each of these requires a minimum of physical fitness (and of "differing types" of fitness) 1,2.

    The best (for variable values of "best") form of self defence is running away - that also requires physical fitness. (Because you need to be able to actually get away, not end up knackered and still in range of whatever it is that's threatening you).

    1 I can't speak for most forms of martial arts but when I took kick boxing the majority of each session was fitness exercises rather than "martial arting". Which is rational: what's the point in knowing how to kick someone in the ear if you're not fit enough to actually do it?
    2 You'd be surprised at how many wars/ major battles I've survived: simply by being in an altogether different country from where they occurred...
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    Dywyddyr and Zwolver make good point.
    I would like to add the idea that you need to be fit enough to outlast your opponent if you are a fighter.
    Fights are not just about getting in the first or the hardest punch.
    Boxers train for stamina not just strength because a boxing match is often decided just by who has enough stamina left at the end of the match to stay standing up.
    Each round in each bout is just about all a boxer can do because his opponent is trying just as hard to put him down as he is trying to put his opponent down.
    Each bout can have from 4 to 12 rounds and rounds are 3 minutes.
    So think about running running running as hard as you can for three minutes while lifting dumbells, resting for one minute and then doing it again for another 11 times.
    Some boxers spend more time running down the road than they spend in the gymn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    2 You'd be surprised at how many wars/ major battles I've survived: simply by being in an altogether different country from where they occurred...
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    I know I'm not In the best shape with all of my maladies so I just carry....


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    There are quite a few things you can learn for self defence that doesn't require physical fitness. Women are usually at a disadvantage to men in terms of size and power so many of the techniques taught to women are tactical rather than requiring brute force or physical fitness. For example if someone grabs your coat from the front you can clasp your hands together and swing them in a full circle and this forces them to let go - it also makes them bend forward so you can get a knee in there somewhere. Also just going limp if someone grabs you will break their hold - very few people can hold a dead weight - even if its only a 50kg woman - especially if they are not expecting it. Physical fitness is a bonus of course but not necessary for effective self defence.
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    Many tactics shown to women for self defense are very risky. Say you kick a guy in the nuts, an average guy will drop to the floor, but say a pro, will blink, and kill you instantly. The best defense could be no defense at all. Even if you see a possibility. Taking the wrong actions, or against the wrong person, will put you in a worse position.

    This maddens me about some preventive actions of some women. I have heard of guys getting tazered by women from just asking for directions. If i ever saw a woman tazering a guy for a reason like that, i will jumpkick her chest. I will defend the guy she just attacked.

    To LuciDreaming, a guy won't easily grab you, at least not your throat. Arms yes, throat not. There are movements a woman can make to free herself without kicking a guy in the nuts, and aggrivating him further.
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    Martial arts has two main categories, armed and unarmed.

    Unarmed martial arts has two main categories, hard and soft.

    Hard martial arts generally involves more physical exertion often used directly at the opponent: karate, kung fu, etc.

    Soft martial arts generally involves less physical exertion, often using the opponent's mass and motion to their disadvantage: judo, jujutsu, etc.

    Everyone can use soft, and they can practice and use it throughout their lifetime.

    Hard generally requires serious physical fitness and strength and practice, something difficult to attain and/or maintain by some people typically women, older folks, and the ill or unfit.

    (And contrary to the movies, flying through the air might look really cool, but once you leave the ground, you are merely ballistic and have no control of your trajectory, and thus, the path of your "flight" is very predictable to the opponent and can be used to your disadvantage. The better philosophy is to remain in contact with the ground, floor, walls, etc to retain precise control of the movement and force of your body and limbs.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Many tactics shown to women for self defense are very risky. Say you kick a guy in the nuts, an average guy will drop to the floor, but say a pro, will blink, and kill you instantly. The best defense could be no defense at all. Even if you see a possibility. Taking the wrong actions, or against the wrong person, will put you in a worse position.
    What self defense classes teach people to just kick a guy in the nuts? When it comes to people fighting for their lives everything is risky....


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    This maddens me about some preventive actions of some women. I have heard of guys getting tazered by women from just asking for directions. If i ever saw a woman tazering a guy for a reason like that, i will jumpkick her chest. I will defend the guy she just attacked.
    I have heard of some women getting attacked for just walking down the street. So what is your point?

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    To LuciDreaming, a guy won't easily grab you, at least not your throat. Arms yes, throat not. There are movements a woman can make to free herself without kicking a guy in the nuts, and aggrivating him further.
    'Arms yes, throat not'?? If someone wants to grab someone else they will grab whatever they can. And yes there are movements a woman can make to free herself - that was exactly my point. Why this obsession with kicking him in the nuts - who's to say punching him in the throat wont 'aggravate him further'? I can honestly say I dont give a damn if I aggravate someone who is trying to attack me - as long as I get away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
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    One of the best forms of self defence is to develop your situational awareness so you can avoid the situations where you need physical skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    I know I'm not In the best shape with all of my maladies so I just carry....


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    I live in a country where those are a bit hard to get and having one without a permit can land you in jail.

    One of the best forms of self defence is to develop your situational awareness so you can avoid the situations where you need physical skills.
    Most definitely - and its also worth remembering that even being a ninja wont save you in some situations. But just walking confidently with head up and looking like you know where you are going can make a difference. Never look like a victim ie don't look nervous, don't look like you don't know where you are going. Be aware of what is going on around you. Self defence doesn't have to be about physical strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    I can honestly say I dont give a damn if I aggravate someone who is trying to attack me - as long as I get away.
    Exactly!
    My kick boxing instructor was also, on occasion, a bouncer. And I'll never forget his advice when someone asked him how much use kickboxing was in a Saturday night street fight: "Forget it - kick 'em in the nuts, stamp on their head and then leg it before the police arrive".

    If someone's down and no longer attacking you then you've "won" 1.


    1 Down isn't a prerequisite (despite Hollywood). Hence my previous comment about running: fighting may be macho, but it's NOT the best defence.
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    Go around everywhere in a wheelchair, honestly, how many people pick a fight with the disabled...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    This maddens me about some preventive actions of some women. I have heard of guys getting tazered by women from just asking for directions. If i ever saw a woman tazering a guy for a reason like that, i will jumpkick her chest. I will defend the guy she just attacked.
    I have heard of some women getting attacked for just walking down the street. So what is your point?
    My point here is that some people (not only women, people in general), make matters worse by trying to defend themselves when the other guy (mostly men) is not attacking them. I have been kicked in the nuts for just standing somewhere, when a woman walks up to me while texting. I'm waiting for a green pedestrian light. She freaks out, screams, hits and kicks me in the nuts, misses, i grab her leg, and throw her back, and i'm the bad guy there. Luckily there were camera's so they had to let me go free.

    My actions were defending myself, i didn't know if she was gonna taze me or mace me after this, so i tossed her away. Her actions were extremely provoking, and if i was someone else it could have gotten ugly. I'm just saying, telling people to defend themselves is not always the best solution, sometimes doing nothing is the best. You only have 1 shot at a kick in the nuts, if you miss, you're in trouble, especially if the person didn't attack in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    who's to say punching him in the throat wont 'aggravate him further'?
    Just wondering, do women's self-defense classes teach them to punch attackers in the throat?
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    Most schools that teach self defense will help you get into shape as part of the program.

    However, it is good to do your own homework, watch different classes, and read up on different styles on-line (google searches including the word "injuries" + the particular style).

    The main thing is to find a school / group where you like the sport / art and the people there so you will keep going.

    Some arts that involve a lot of full strength sparring such as boxing, and the grappling arts (judo, jiu-jitsu) are going to have more injuries than traditional martial arts. People that last in these arts are usually young and fit, or they make prudent modifications.

    Personally, I think that people that choose or at least start in traditional martial arts with a lot of forms (fighting the air) have a better chance of staying healthy and learning to defend themselves over time because these arts probably have a lower rate of attrition.

    Also, a lot of the forms are beautiful.

    Good luck.
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    If someone broke into my home I am not going to wait to find out how hard they are going to hit me to determine what action to take. I will be reaching for my baseball bat with every intention of hitting them hard enough they aren't going to come back up. I'm a regular gym goer and am reasonably fit and strong too. I do regular boxing classes and know how to put my weight behind a punch. I've got 2 small children to protect - say hello to Mumma Bear!!
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