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    Imagine taking a knife and cutting through touch human skin. We have a natural aversion to this. It is not simply that we do not want to cut our own skin but any skin. The thought of cutting into a dead rat, for example, makes us shudder.

    Of course, there are people who have so much hostility that they take a sadistic pleasure in this. They are, fortunately, very uncommon.

    Note, the people who do surgery, even minor surgery, have to overcome this averson. This includes the surgery room nursing staff, and visitors have to stay outside for more reasons than just needing a sterile proceedure. A muscual 200 lb male visitor could watch the blood and gore and faint.

    Any comments as to how medical people overcome this aversion?


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    It's just getting used to it - Remember the horrific nightly Vietnam war footage? - I certainly got used to that, after a while it not longer had the same effect. I remember as a kid being sick the first time I had to gut a rabbit but after a few it was no longer a big deal. THink also about tribes who eat live gribs [or even grubs] - you and I might be sick but they are simply accustomed to it from birth [th tribes not the gribs or grubs]


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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    Imagine taking a knife and cutting through touch human skin. We have a natural aversion to this. It is not simply that we do not want to cut our own skin but any skin. The thought of cutting into a dead rat, for example, makes us shudder.

    Of course, there are people who have so much hostility that they take a sadistic pleasure in this. They are, fortunately, very uncommon.

    Note, the people who do surgery, even minor surgery, have to overcome this averson. This includes the surgery room nursing staff, and visitors have to stay outside for more reasons than just needing a sterile proceedure. A muscual 200 lb male visitor could watch the blood and gore and faint.

    Any comments as to how medical people overcome this aversion?


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    I do not have this aversion and I don't think that I had it, but my memory could be wrong.
    The first surgical procedure I saw, was at 17 during a preliminary stage in an hospitla (the medecine university, wanted to check if we were not horrified by the medical world). It was a cure of a butt infection. I did not see much, but I remember the smell (rotten pig) very well.
    Then I saw an appendicitis, but I just remember the stories tellen by the anesthesiologist.

    The aversion of the blood is just a psychological one. Nobody gore and faint, while they eat Ketchup. It's just the idear.
    Cutting skin, is just an aversion for some people.
    My personnal aversion is for cuting the eye cornea. Before I started to wear contact lenses, I hated this idea. Now I am more confortable with it. Luckily, because I went throught Lasik surgery, and that's exactly what they were doing.

    I am a surgeon, and I can tell you, that the inside of people is not terrible at all.
    The only thing wich is terrible even years after, is infection, rotten flesh and alike. Every thing that stink, is difficult to endure. In my aera, it's the case of sore wounds.
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    i think in a time of crisis the aversion would fly out the window for me. when its time to step up to the plate--saving a life by getting your hands a little bloody--it might be a little easier for the surgeon or whoever has to do it to get it done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SealOtter
    i think in a time of crisis the aversion would fly out the window for me. when its time to step up to the plate--saving a life by getting your hands a little bloody--it might be a little easier for the surgeon or whoever has to do it to get it done.
    Probably. The human body has bypassers (usually) for "fight or flight" reactions (in life or death situations). They could be applied there.

    On the other hand, usually, when it comes to cutting flesh I for one could never be a surgeon.
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    I can "hurt" myself, that´s nothing weird. You just have to be aware, that you are not doing this because you want to hurt, but in some other purpose. I can take my own blood and see it, or watching operation however serious it is. I just take it as a part of life.
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    If a person does not have this aversion, I believe that there can only be two reasons: (1) her or she has overcome it by repeated exposure to trauma or (2) is filled with hostility.

    In my case, I over came in in a dissection class. We had to dissect a human cadaver. She was about 45 yrs old and I was chosen by the professor to make the first cut. The body was cold from the refrigeration and reeked of formulin. It was covered in places with a pale green fungus. Apparently, the place they start to cut on caders is the pubic area.

    For the next 15 years, nothing bothered me. I could stick my arm clear up to the shoulders into a large, full, garbage can looking for something without feeling anything---no revulsion.

    I think having this ability is a good or special trait for a man. Certainly, it is in most other male mammals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    I could stick my arm clear up to the shoulders into a large, full, garbage can looking for something without feeling anything---no revulsion.
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    It's also a neccessity if you are married with kids, who throw things down the loo etc!
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    or is a sociopath ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    If a person does not have this aversion, I believe that there can only be two reasons: (1) her or she has overcome it by repeated exposure to trauma or (2) is filled with hostility.
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    I think having this ability is a good or special trait for a man. Certainly, it is in most other male mammals.

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    There is another posibility: one maintains the aversion, but performs the action because it is necessary. Any parent has been in that situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    Imagine taking a knife and cutting through touch human skin. We have a natural aversion to this. It is not simply that we do not want to cut our own skin but any skin. The thought of cutting into a dead rat, for example, makes us shudder.

    Of course, there are people who have so much hostility that they take a sadistic pleasure in this. They are, fortunately, very uncommon.

    Note, the people who do surgery, even minor surgery, have to overcome this averson. This includes the surgery room nursing staff, and visitors have to stay outside for more reasons than just needing a sterile proceedure. A muscual 200 lb male visitor could watch the blood and gore and faint.

    Any comments as to how medical people overcome this aversion?


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    I think the reason you would originally "shudder" is a natural reflex, if I may call it that. A reflex can be trained. Just like when you are young and hate vegetables. You just do it enough and the reflex goes away.
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    I think the reason you would originally "shudder" is a natural reflex, if I may call it that. A reflex can be trained. Just like when you are young and hate vegetables. You just do it enough and the reflex goes away.[/quote]

    I agree. The aversion is more reflex than instinct, and there is a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    If a person does not have this aversion, I believe that there can only be two reasons: (1) her or she has overcome it by repeated exposure to trauma or (2) is filled with hostility.

    In my case, I over came in in a dissection class. We had to dissect a human cadaver. She was about 45 yrs old and I was chosen by the professor to make the first cut. The body was cold from the refrigeration and reeked of formulin. It was covered in places with a pale green fungus. Apparently, the place they start to cut on caders is the pubic area.

    For the next 15 years, nothing bothered me. I could stick my arm clear up to the shoulders into a large, full, garbage can looking for something without feeling anything---no revulsion.

    I think having this ability is a good or special trait for a man. Certainly, it is in most other male mammals.

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    I think that you speak for yourself.
    Some people are more prone to revulsion than others.
    I don't remember well, my first feelings during the fist dissection class. I remember two things :
    - the smell
    - the cold and grey looking of the cadaver.
    Cutting the flesh, may have been weird for me the first time, but I don't remember any particular revulsion about cutting flesh.
    I had some revulstions (and I still have) about :
    - the smell of the conservator (formol)
    - the dirty looking
    - the coldness of the flesh

    I don't have any revulsion about cutting human flesh, and I don't even see why I should have.
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    I don't see why you should have any also. You have gotten used to it just as I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    I don't see why you should have any also. You have gotten used to it just as I did.

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    I said, I don't remember having one at first.
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