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    Some of the current flu strains are quite lethal. Winter's well and truly arrived in the NH, but it's still sensible to get yourself vaccinated if you haven't already.

    The only problem with doing it now is that there may be people around you who can transmit the disease and the vaccine won't fully protect you for a fortnight - so you can't walk out of the doctor's surgery thinking that you're safe immediately.

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    The vaccine might not be fully protective, but it can help. My wife and I contracted the flu in China while travelling with my kids. She and I had received injectable vaccine, the kids had live vaccine. We came down with the flu just as we arrived home in the USA. She was hammered pretty hard for much of a week, with symptoms matching the current epidemic H1N1 (though we don't have a confirmed serotype): fever, cough, body ache, sore throat, dry throat and mouth, no energy. I had a milder case, which I would like to ascribe to partial protection by the vaccine. The kids avoided infection, though they had plenty of exposure; likely that live vaccine did the job. Bottom line: even if you are vaccinated you should take precautions and avoid exposure, but get the vaccine (I'm pretty sure that it helped me to avoid the worst of the flu and you DON'T want to go through what my wife endured).


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    There is a shortage of vaccine and many areas in Canada have run out. With the media now playing it's ususal roll of fear-mongering, this is causing considerable distress for some people.

    Not that many years ago, the flu season was much milder than forecast and the manufacturers of vaccine took a huge loss on vaccine that did not get used. This vaccine does not get held over, in my understanding, because of the ability of the influenza virus to continually change.

    Hubby and I both have had bad experienes in the past with the vaccine and reactions to it so we do not get a shot and we generally have little contact with other people. I last had a flu in 1999 and it was bloody awful, to be sure. I did not know that toenails and eyelashes actually had the capacity to ache along with all the body parts in between. I recall that ASA was the only thing that worked for me and the only task I was capable of was keeping the horses fed and watered.

    At any rate, this discussion is a mute point here as the Yukon has no more vaccine. It was front page news on the paper three days ago.
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    I was in Sainsbury supermarket today in Carlisle. There was an announcement that flu jabs were available at the in store chemist, for just under a tenner. I may pop down tomorrow morning and have the jab, if I do I will post any effects to the jab. ( good or bad )
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    I have eventually turned up at the Pharmacist for the flu jab. I received the jab at about 1500 Hrs GMT, Monday 27.01.2014. I was told that it takes 10 to 21 days after the jab, to be protected from flu. The Pharmacist said that this jab consisted of three types of flu virus. They are. A/California/7/2009. A/Victoria/361/2011. B/Massachusetts/2/2012. The time is now 1941 Hrs GMT 27.01.2014. I feel no ill effects, so I am going down to the pub for a bottle of Bud and a game of pool. Does anyone have any more information regarding this type of flu jab ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    Does anyone have any more information regarding this type of flu jab ?
    The CDC offers some. CDC - Preventing Seasonal Flu With Vaccination | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) Doesn't that pub have any live beer? Best wishes for the game, anyway.
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    Does anyone have any more information regarding this type of flu jab ?
    I think it's just this season's mix of the most likely candidates to be around in the population.
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    In late September 2013 I got the new four-strain, multivalent influenza vaccine, and had no reaction or detectable side effects. In order to get the new 4 strain vaccine I had to ask for it. Had I not asked they would have just used the standard 3 strain vaccine. This may also be the case in 2014, so I would recommend that everybody getting one to ask.

    (NaturalNews) The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has showered its blessing on a new four-strain, multivalent influenza vaccine manufactured by French drug giant Sanofi SA, according to new reports. The vaccine, which contains one additional flu strain - all existing multivalent flu shots currently on the market contain only three strains - presumably also contains one-third more poison in the form of extra viral fragments, synthetic adjuvants, and other deadly chemicals.

    Known as Fluzone Quadrivalent, the new vaccine will be available during the upcoming 2013-14 flu season, and will rival a similar flu vaccine known as Fluarix Quadrivalent that gained FDA approval back in December. Both vaccines are injectable, and both have been approved for young children. However, Fluarix Quadrivalent, which is produced by GlaxoSmithKline, is only permitted in children ages three and older, while Fluzone Quadrivalent is permitted in children six months and older.

    Though the official package insert for Fluzone does not contain a categorized list of ingredients, the "Description" section explains how the injection is prepared using embryonated chicken eggs. It also lists formaldehyde, sugar, Octylphenol Ethoxylate (Triton X-100), sodium chloride, sodium phosphate, and "an additional concentration factor" as ingredients in the vaccine. The four vaccine strains are apparently produced separately and added later to this toxic brew.

    Fluzone's package insert does, however, highlight the many dangers associated with use of the vaccine. These dangers, which the insert admits have a causal relationship to the vaccine, include a high risk of blood and lymphatic system disorders like thrombocytopenia; immune system disorders like anaphylaxis; eye disorders like ocular hyperemia; nervous system disorders like Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS); vascular disorders like vasculitis; respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders like rhinitis; skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders like Stevens-Johnson syndrome; gastrointestinal disorders; and general pain.

    Learn more: FDA approves new multi-strain flu shot from Sanofi: One-third more poison in every jab!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Moulton View Post
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    Does anyone have any more information regarding this type of flu jab ?
    The CDC offers some. CDC - Preventing Seasonal Flu With Vaccination | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) Doesn't that pub have any live beer? Best wishes for the game, anyway.
    Thank you for the link, there is some very good information in there. Yes the pub does serve live beer, but I have found that if I drink from a bottle instead of a pint glass, I drink less. I lost the game.
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    Does anyone have any more information regarding this type of flu jab ?
    I think it's just this season's mix of the most likely candidates to be around in the population.
    Does this mean that all the people, who took the jab for 2013/2014 have to get another jab for 2014/2015 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
    In late September 2013 I got the new four-strain, multivalent influenza vaccine, and had no reaction or detectable side effects. In order to get the new 4 strain vaccine I had to ask for it. Had I not asked they would have just used the standard 3 strain vaccine. This may also be the case in 2014, so I would recommend that everybody getting one to ask.

    (NaturalNews) The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has showered its blessing on a new four-strain, multivalent influenza vaccine manufactured by French drug giant Sanofi SA, according to new reports. The vaccine, which contains one additional flu strain - all existing multivalent flu shots currently on the market contain only three strains - presumably also contains one-third more poison in the form of extra viral fragments, synthetic adjuvants, and other deadly chemicals.

    Known as Fluzone Quadrivalent, the new vaccine will be available during the upcoming 2013-14 flu season, and will rival a similar flu vaccine known as Fluarix Quadrivalent that gained FDA approval back in December. Both vaccines are injectable, and both have been approved for young children. However, Fluarix Quadrivalent, which is produced by GlaxoSmithKline, is only permitted in children ages three and older, while Fluzone Quadrivalent is permitted in children six months and older.

    Though the official package insert for Fluzone does not contain a categorized list of ingredients, the "Description" section explains how the injection is prepared using embryonated chicken eggs. It also lists formaldehyde, sugar, Octylphenol Ethoxylate (Triton X-100), sodium chloride, sodium phosphate, and "an additional concentration factor" as ingredients in the vaccine. The four vaccine strains are apparently produced separately and added later to this toxic brew.

    Fluzone's package insert does, however, highlight the many dangers associated with use of the vaccine. These dangers, which the insert admits have a causal relationship to the vaccine, include a high risk of blood and lymphatic system disorders like thrombocytopenia; immune system disorders like anaphylaxis; eye disorders like ocular hyperemia; nervous system disorders like Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS); vascular disorders like vasculitis; respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders like rhinitis; skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders like Stevens-Johnson syndrome; gastrointestinal disorders; and general pain.

    Learn more: FDA approves new multi-strain flu shot from Sanofi: One-third more poison in every jab!
    I was not aware that there was a quadrivalent flu jab. The Pharmacist only mentioned the trivalent jab which consisted of A/California/7/2009. A/Victoria/361/2001. B/Massachusetts/2/2012. Out of interest what was the C variant of your flu shot ? Also were your A and B variants the same as mine ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    I was not aware that there was a quadrivalent flu jab. The Pharmacist only mentioned the trivalent jab which consisted of A/California/7/2009. A/Victoria/361/2001. B/Massachusetts/2/2012. Out of interest what was the C variant of your flu shot ? Also were your A and B variants the same as mine ?
    Had I not seen a news article about it, I would never have known enough to ask the pharmacist about it and they were not volunteering the info. When I asked, they said they had it if I wanted it, but to those that didn't ask they were just giving the standard three variant shots. I did some looking for a list of the variants they were using, but didn't find one. I think the link I provided did indicate that the quadrivalent vaccine just became available in the last half of 2013. So it was very new on the market. Not sure why they just didn't cut over to the new vaccine and dump the old, except maybe they didn't have enough of the new yet.
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    Does this mean that all the people, who took the jab for 2013/2014 have to get another jab for 2014/2015 ?
    Yep! If you want to avoid getting sick from the most-likely-to-be-infectious-this-year influenza viruses, you have to have each new season's flu jab as it becomes available.

    I have the jab every year. I've also had the pneumonia once-only jab, so that if I happen to come down with one of the not-included-in-this-year's-vaccine versions of the flu I'm much less likely to get serious complications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Does this mean that all the people, who took the jab for 2013/2014 have to get another jab for 2014/2015 ?
    Yep! If you want to avoid getting sick from the most-likely-to-be-infectious-this-year influenza viruses, you have to have each new season's flu jab as it becomes available.

    I have the jab every year. I've also had the pneumonia once-only jab, so that if I happen to come down with one of the not-included-in-this-year's-vaccine versions of the flu I'm much less likely to get serious complications.
    Yes, it is advised to get a new vaccine every year given how frequently the virus mutates and how many strains there are. However, I would guess that having a vaccination from a previous year would still give you more protection than someone who has never been vaccinated against the flu before. For example, this study found that the flu vaccines were still relatively effective even in years when the vaccine mismatched the strains circulating. I wouldn't be surprised if the same effect was observed in people who had only had the vaccine in previous years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mat5592 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Does this mean that all the people, who took the jab for 2013/2014 have to get another jab for 2014/2015 ?
    Yep! If you want to avoid getting sick from the most-likely-to-be-infectious-this-year influenza viruses, you have to have each new season's flu jab as it becomes available.

    I have the jab every year. I've also had the pneumonia once-only jab, so that if I happen to come down with one of the not-included-in-this-year's-vaccine versions of the flu I'm much less likely to get serious complications.
    Yes, it is advised to get a new vaccine every year given how frequently the virus mutates and how many strains there are. However, I would guess that having a vaccination from a previous year would still give you more protection than someone who has never been vaccinated against the flu before. For example, this study found that the flu vaccines were still relatively effective even in years when the vaccine mismatched the strains circulating. I wouldn't be surprised if the same effect was observed in people who had only had the vaccine in previous years.
    The multivariate flu shots are the best way to go, as you are more likely to be getting protected from whatever is infecting people in your area. Also, for those people that haven't been getting the yearly flu shots, you might have more sensitivity to the shot when you do get one. This should not be cause to stop getting any future flu shots, because now that you do have some protection, you will have less sensitivity to the future shots and when you make it a routine yearly event, you will hardly notice them at all.
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    I know this is an old thread, but I cannot see the point in starting a new one. Yesterday ( 30th September 2014 ) I had this seasons trivalent flu jab. It consisted of - Hem agglutinin (HA) from, A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)-like virus, A/Texas/50/2012 (H3N2)-like virus, and B/Massachusetts/2/2012-like (Yamagata lineage) virus. Again, no mention by the pharmacist of the quadrivalent jab. Are any of you dudes out there keeping your flu jabs up to date ?
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    I should be getting one soon from my work, who offers it for free.
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    I'd do the nasal spray if they had more. As it is, I have an intense fear of needles and I won't do shots. Thing is, I've heard the nasal form is more effective and that up to 20% of people are like me and refuse to take an injection. Is there a significant price jump for the cost of the spray? Why is it not the more common method?
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    My health care provider gives free flu shots to those who want them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I'd do the nasal spray if they had more. As it is, I have an intense fear of needles and I won't do shots. Thing is, I've heard the nasal form is more effective and that up to 20% of people are like me and refuse to take an injection. Is there a significant price jump for the cost of the spray? Why is it not the more common method?
    Nasal spray, I did not know that. I will be calling in to see the pharmacist today. I will be asking him a few questions about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    I know this is an old thread, but I cannot see the point in starting a new one. Yesterday ( 30th September 2014 ) I had this seasons trivalent flu jab. It consisted of - Hem agglutinin (HA) from, A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)-like virus, A/Texas/50/2012 (H3N2)-like virus, and B/Massachusetts/2/2012-like (Yamagata lineage) virus. Again, no mention by the pharmacist of the quadrivalent jab. Are any of you dudes out there keeping your flu jabs up to date ?
    Good point, thanks for the reminder. As my wife is about to start on yet another round of chemo which will make her immunosuppressed, I'd better organise jobs for myself and my son, as I did before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    I know this is an old thread, but I cannot see the point in starting a new one. Yesterday ( 30th September 2014 ) I had this seasons trivalent flu jab. It consisted of - Hem agglutinin (HA) from, A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)-like virus, A/Texas/50/2012 (H3N2)-like virus, and B/Massachusetts/2/2012-like (Yamagata lineage) virus. Again, no mention by the pharmacist of the quadrivalent jab. Are any of you dudes out there keeping your flu jabs up to date ?
    Good point, thanks for the reminder. As my wife is about to start on yet another round of chemo which will make her immunosuppressed, I'd better organise jobs for myself and my son, as I did before.
    I am sorry to hear that, I hope it all goes well. With that said, be sure to get the shot as opposed to the (live attenuated) spray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I'd do the nasal spray if they had more. As it is, I have an intense fear of needles and I won't do shots. Thing is, I've heard the nasal form is more effective and that up to 20% of people are like me and refuse to take an injection. Is there a significant price jump for the cost of the spray? Why is it not the more common method?
    That's a good question, and I'd like to ask someone about it (maybe someone on here will know). I know it's not approved for people over the age of 49 and healthcare workers regularly exposed to the immunosuppressed shouldn't take it, either. Given those points, though, you'd think there would be more available for people like us. I've never been offered the spray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mat5592 View Post
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    I know this is an old thread, but I cannot see the point in starting a new one. Yesterday ( 30th September 2014 ) I had this seasons trivalent flu jab. It consisted of - Hem agglutinin (HA) from, A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)-like virus, A/Texas/50/2012 (H3N2)-like virus, and B/Massachusetts/2/2012-like (Yamagata lineage) virus. Again, no mention by the pharmacist of the quadrivalent jab. Are any of you dudes out there keeping your flu jabs up to date ?
    Good point, thanks for the reminder. As my wife is about to start on yet another round of chemo which will make her immunosuppressed, I'd better organise jobs for myself and my son, as I did before.
    I am sorry to hear that, I hope it all goes well. With that said, be sure to get the shot as opposed to the (live attenuated) spray.
    Yes it will be jabs: the British NHS doesn't offer a spray, so far as I know. But at least we'll get these free of charge when I tell them the reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    I know this is an old thread, but I cannot see the point in starting a new one. Yesterday ( 30th September 2014 ) I had this seasons trivalent flu jab. It consisted of - Hem agglutinin (HA) from, A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)-like virus, A/Texas/50/2012 (H3N2)-like virus, and B/Massachusetts/2/2012-like (Yamagata lineage) virus. Again, no mention by the pharmacist of the quadrivalent jab. Are any of you dudes out there keeping your flu jabs up to date ?
    Yes, I got the quadrivalent shot two weeks ago at Walgreens. But I did have to wait 3 weeks from when I first asked for it. They won't give it to you or even offer it unless you ask for it.
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    Some good info on the quadrivalent flu vaccine below. This year I did notice I was not up to par after the shot, but I've been working out on the treadmill everyday totaling over 2 hours per day. Four days after the shot I had trouble getting my usual workout in and this lasted for 3 days. Had I not been working out, I don't think I would have noticed any reaction at all.

    What is quadrivalent flu vaccine?

    The quadrivalent flu vaccine is designed to protect against four different flu viruses; two influenza A viruses and two influenza B viruses.
    Why was the quadrivalent flu vaccine developed?

    For years, flu vaccines were designed to protect against three different flu viruses (trivalent). This included an influenza A H1N1 virus, an influenza A H3N2 virus and one B virus. Experts had to choose one B virus, even though there are two very different lineages of B viruses that both circulate during most seasons. This meant the vaccine did not protect against the group of B viruses not included in the vaccine. Adding another B virus to the vaccine aims to give broader protection against circulating flu viruses.
    Who can get the quadrivalent flu vaccine?

    Different vaccines are approved for different age groups. There is a quadrivalent flu shot that can be given to children as young as 6 months of age. Other quadrivalent flu shots are approved for people 3 years and older. The quadrivalent nasal spray vaccine is approved for people 2 through 49 years of age who do not have contraindications to the nasal spray vaccine. Refer to the table of 2014-15 approved influenza vaccines in the U.S. for more information.
    Who shouldn’t get the quadrivalent flu vaccine?

    Different flu vaccines are approved for use in different groups of people. Factors that can determine a person's suitability for vaccination, or vaccination with a particular vaccine, include a person's age, health (current and past) and any relevant allergies, including an egg allergy.
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    Are any of the available flu vaccines recommended over the others?

    CDC has not expressed a preference for which flu vaccine people should get this season except for one: Starting in 2014-2015, CDC recommends use of the nasal spray vaccine for healthy* children 2 years through 8 years of age when it is immediately available and if the child has no contraindications or precautions to that vaccine. If the nasal spray vaccine is not immediately available and the flu shot is, vaccination should not be delayed and a flu shot should be given. For more information about the new CDC recommendation, see Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine in Children 2 Years through 8 Years Old or the 2014-2015 MMWR Influenza Vaccine Recommendations.
    While there will be more than one vaccine option for many people to choose from, including high-dose vaccine, intradermal vaccine and the regular flu shot, the only preferential recommendation is for the nasal spray vaccine in healthy* children 2 years through 8 years of age. The most important thing is for all people 6 months and older to get a flu vaccine every year. If you have questions about which vaccine is best for you, talk to your doctor or other health care professional.
    (*“Healthy” in this instance refers to children 2 years through 8 years old who do not have an underlying medical condition that predisposes them to influenza complications.)

    How much of the flu vaccines for the United States during 2014-2015 will be quadrivalent?

    Of the 151 to 159 million doses of influenza vaccine projected to be available for the 2014-2015 season, manufacturers estimate that 77 million doses will be quadrivalent flu vaccine.
    Is the quadrivalent flu vaccine safe?

    Yes. Flu vaccines that protect against four flu viruses are made in the same way as the flu vaccines that have been around for years that protect against three flu viruses. The difference is the addition of another vaccine virus. Studies have shown that vaccines made to protect against four flu viruses have a safety profile similar to seasonal flu vaccines made to protect against three viruses, with similar—mostly mild—side effects. Hundreds of millions of people have safely gotten flu vaccines that protect against three flu viruses. Like all seasonal flu vaccines, vaccines that protect against four flu viruses will be monitored for their safety and effectiveness.
    Quadrivalent vaccine cannot cause influenza illness, because the vaccine viruses used to make it are ‘inactivated’ (killed) or attenuated (weakened). See “Can the flu vaccine give me the flu?” for information about flu vaccine side effects.
    What should people do if they can’t find available quadrivalent vaccine?

    Don’t delay getting a flu vaccine if you cannot locate a quadrivalent vaccine. The important thing is to get vaccinated against influenza. Find flu vaccine near you using the vaccine finder at HealthMap Vaccine Finder. Call ahead to ask about availability if you are interested in a specific type of vaccine.
    Will the quadrivalent flu vaccine be more expensive than the trivalent flu vaccine?

    Quadrivalent flu vaccines may cost more than trivalent vaccines. Ask your insurance provider or doctor to find out how much you may need to pay and how much of the cost is covered by insurance.
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    Wow, some very good information appearing ( Bad Robot ). I managed to have a word with the pharmacist yesterday, with regard to the nasal spray live flu virus. He told me that it only became available in the UK last year. He said the National Health Service (NHS ) will only allow children between the age of 4 and 11 years old to have the nasal spray, he did not know the reason for this. The nasal spray does seem a better deal, and it appears easier to get the nasal spray in the USA than it is in the UK.
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    mat5592, with regard to the nasal spray live flu vaccine, your post number 22, and post number 23 seem contradictory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    mat5592, with regard to the nasal spray live flu vaccine, your post number 22, and post number 23 seem contradictory.
    I'm sorry, I don't see what you are talking about. The only thing in common I see between the two posts is that people exposed to the immunosuppressed shouldn't get the nasal spray because of its live-attenuated nature, just to be extra cautious. If you could point it out I will try to clear it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    Wow, some very good information appearing ( Bad Robot ). I managed to have a word with the pharmacist yesterday, with regard to the nasal spray live flu virus. He told me that it only became available in the UK last year. He said the National Health Service (NHS ) will only allow children between the age of 4 and 11 years old to have the nasal spray, he did not know the reason for this. The nasal spray does seem a better deal, and it appears easier to get the nasal spray in the USA than it is in the UK.
    I could be wrong here, but I think there is some chance of actually catching the flu from the nasal spray and they prefer not to take chances with seniors. I have heard that the nasal spray does offer more protection do to using the weakened live virus. But, why couldn't people with compromised immune systems start with a regular flu shot and then get a second nasal spray 30 days later for the added greater protection?
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