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    Several chemical compound types have seemingly been tied into the continuing controversy about healthfully growing old, or more succinctly, living longer. "Flavonoids", and "Antioxidants" predominate. I understand oxidation, and therefore, I guess, "antioxidation", but not flavonoids. A third class, phenyls- something or another, I'll leave open for those who really know to comment on. My best and most well-liked and appreciated prof. at UNLV, incidentally also my personal student advisor, always began a new class with the question whether anyone enrolled was already reasonably familiar with the course material. If no hands presented, he responded, "Good! Then I can speak freely!". What a guy, Herb Wells was!

    I have always loved chocolate. Maybe that explains the deplorable ruin of my teeth. Years ago, after many painful drillings and fillings, I swore off sugar as much as possible drinking sugar-free sodas and using saccharine or other non-sugar sweeteners. I still do that today, having survived to 71 despite the admonitions of previous doomsday prophets with regard to sugar substitutes.

    Today's blurb emphasizes the flavonoid content of dark chocolate. Best understanding I have is that, the higher the cacao %, the less the sugar content, the poorer the taste, and the greater the antioxidant effects. What the hell, exactly, are antioxidant effects? Colored fruits & vegetables, blueberries, pomegranates, carrots, cherries, beets, red onions, red cabbage, grapes, are all touted as beneficial. Why colored? Hell if I know! Gotta wonder why color is so vital; I know of some really neat and beneficial chemical compounds having NO color.

    Anyways, chocolate having > 75% cacoa is best, pomegranate and blueberry best in fruit category (don't preach Gac fruit, or others, yet!). Chocolate has FAT, which denies it's beneficial qualities, as far as I am concerned. Who am I to disagree, though? Ever eat a pomegranate? My Mom called them Chinese Apples, would buy a few when she could, I distinctly remember the pulpy red "glue" adhered to the seeds, delicious to taste, but very little volume present to satisfy. Years later, I learned that Grenadine syrup was actually pomegranate extract, beautiful red color! Blueberry pie is one of my favorites!

    Must one eat uncooked flavonoids to secure benefits? Does heat destroy them? Proven that the Beta-Carotene in carrots is LOST by cooking. Best go with RED WINE, no heat involved, loaded with the antioxidant "Resveratrol". The French people drink red wine with meals. Nationally, they experience less heart trouble than Americans. Wine related? However, Eskimos consume much more animal fat than others, but have no more, or lower, incidence of fat-related heart-trouble.

    This past week, I read that a large study concluded American Men who drank 6 or more cups of coffee daily throughout their adult lives experienced 40% lower incidence of prostate gland cancer than those who drank no coffee. Is 40% a big enough number to convince that the deleterious effects of lots of coffee should be ignored? If I had drunk 20 cups daily, would I live to be 100? Is "40% lower" of any real importance? 1000% lower, 1/10 as many, would be by me, really important.

    So, folks, is this all a God-damned crap-shoot, portrayed one way or another by groups vying for top billing? joc


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    Would it not depend on how the carrots are cooked? I'd expect boiling them in water would cause all of the "goodness" to seep out, but would cooking them by steaming be the best way to prepare vegetables for the most nutritional value?


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    Everything can kill you.

    Coffee, Tea, Sugar, Chocolate, Meat, and even sex.

    We're all going to die.

    I intend going knowing that I lived.

    I love dark chocolate! A bite now and them...yummy!
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    Most edibles found in the natural world have things in them that are good for us. Most of those things can also kill you in great enough quantities.

    I take all this "Food X, which was always thought to be bad for you, now it turns out it's good for you!" things with a grain of salt (also good for you, but can kill you in large doses). Usually, the food contains something beneficial, but it comes wrapped in fats or toxins and the only way to get enough of it for your body to care would be to gorge yourself. The anti-oxidants in red wine are good for you, but your body doesn't get any benefits until you hit about 300 bottles a day. People just like headlines that sell papers and get web hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Most edibles found in the natural world have things in them that are good for us. Most of those things can also kill you in great enough quantities.

    I take all this "Food X, which was always thought to be bad for you, now it turns out it's good for you!" things with a grain of salt (also good for you, but can kill you in large doses). Usually, the food contains something beneficial, but it comes wrapped in fats or toxins and the only way to get enough of it for your body to care would be to gorge yourself. The anti-oxidants in red wine are good for you, but your body doesn't get any benefits until you hit about 300 bottles a day. People just like headlines that sell papers and get web hits.
    300 bottles a day....that is when the liver says, "See ya later yellow gator."
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    Smiling is good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Smiling is good for you.
    so are laughter and hugs.....and kisses....and even that forbidden word.....SEX!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Would it not depend on how the carrots are cooked? I'd expect boiling them in water would cause all of the "goodness" to seep out, but would cooking them by steaming be the best way to prepare vegetables for the most nutritional value?
    Following table seems to dispute cooking loss, at least of carotene, the main good thing in carrots:

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    Chocolate has the ability to make me happy...sometimes. That's a benefit, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Smiling is good for you.
    Too much smiling gives you cramps.

    *mr. grumpus makes his exit with a "harumph!"*
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    wegs, I think anything which makes us happy is beneficial!

    Of interest: Evidently the knowledge of antioxidants was present by the middle of the last century. My Mother, born in Europe, brought here (U.S.) at age 5, was pretty sharp for one of those folks the bigoted Chicagoland area called "Greenhorns". She preached the benefits of carrots to me as a kid, specifically calling out carotene as being important for "good eyesight". Whether that's true or not, she DID know of things that many others then did not. I believe she did not even finish high school. joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    She preached the benefits of carrots to me as a kid, specifically calling out carotene as being important for "good eyesight". Whether that's true or not, she DID know of things that many others then did not. I believe she did not even finish high school. joc
    Carrots, among other foods, contain carotenoids which can act in the eye to absorb some harmful wavelengths of light. Since they cannot be synthesized by our bodies, we must get them from our diet. They are also thought to be strongly active against free radicals. I do wonder where the "carrots are good for the eyes" idea came from. I've never looked into it.
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    Carrots are high in vitamin A, which is good for seeing in low light conditions. It is pretty high in vitamin A compared to most vegetables, but only has 10% or less of that contained in liver. Vitamin A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Hey I kinda like this thread, gives me a good excuse for helping to eat my girlfriends chocolates, because of the obvious health benefits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Hey I kinda like this thread, gives me a good excuse for helping to eat my girlfriends chocolates, because of the obvious health benefits!

    If your girlfriend allows you to help her to eat the chocolate, then she is definitely a keeper.
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    I like carrots AND chocolate. Daughter sends me some from Switzerland once in awhile. Good daughter, that girl of mine. Good son, too.
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    Chocolate contains saturated fat and sugar, both of which are very bad for you. Dark chocolate contains antioxidant, which is good for you. White, or milk chocolate contains no antioxidant and has no health benefits. The darker the chocolate, the better it is.

    Most of us eat chocolate because it tastes good. Me too. If you want to eat it for the health benefits, you eat only the very dark chocolate, and only a bite each day. Where is the fun in that?
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    I'm afraid to eat chocolates, because by eating chocolate, I might quickly gain weight, that's my mom told me. But is it true that there are chocolate that didn't gain weight? I think StudyGeek.org can help me to keep focus on my study than eating chocolates.
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    Chocolates that do not contain calories?

    Nothing that is actually worth eating!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartBreaker View Post
    I'm afraid to eat chocolates, because by eating chocolate, I might quickly gain weight, that's my mom told me. But is it true that there are chocolate that didn't gain weight?
    If it is real chocolate. It is FATTENING!
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    Chocolate can be artistic (and remain delicious):


    (Made by a Belgian chocolatier. The snowmen and the bottles are all chocolate).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    Chocolate can become artistic (yet remain delicious):


    (Made by a Belgian chocolatier. The snowmen, the bottles and the decoration are all chocolate).
    Well it's certainly artistic. But delicious?

    White chocolate is the work of satan.

    a. It's not chocolate (it's a way of making more money from cocoa butter.)
    b. it tastes awful, sickly sweet and flavourless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    Chocolate can become artistic (yet remain delicious):


    (Made by a Belgian chocolatier. The snowmen, the bottles and the decoration are all chocolate).
    Well it's certainly artistic. But delicious?

    White chocolate is the work of satan.

    a. It's not chocolate (it's a way of making more money from cocoa butter.)
    b. it tastes awful, sickly sweet and flavourless.
    Such comment would, by John Galt, be condemned as not being acceptable without reasonable proof on a Science Forum. jocular
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    Put a smile on your face, jocular. Adelady is commenting tongue in cheek.

    I do agree about white chocolate, though. Far too sweet. Sickly stuff.
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    White chocolate is admittedly very sweet but it can be a nice complement to a dark centered truffle or as a decorative accent in candy making.

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    looks so yummy.. <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by cogito ergo sum View Post
    chocolate can become artistic (yet remain delicious):


    (made by a belgian chocolatier. The snowmen, the bottles and the decoration are all chocolate).
    i want the handcuffs!! Dibbs!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Well it's certainly artistic. But delicious?

    White chocolate is the work of satan.

    a. It's not chocolate (it's a way of making more money from cocoa butter.)
    b. it tastes awful, sickly sweet and flavourless.

    Consider this box with Belgian pralines as an apology:
    (from the Neuhaus Chocolate Flagship Store, NY)

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    My in-laws were fostering a German exchange student for a bit. Her mom would ship her chocolates from back home. Wunderbar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post

    Consider this box with Belgian pralines as an apology:
    (from the Neuhaus Chocolate Flagship Store, NY)
    My friend from Germany, upon returning to the States, continued to have family members ship him wonderful brandy-filled chocolates from Germany, not available here due to alcohol content, until Customs began confiscating them! (I'll bet those Inspectors LOVED those chocolates!)

    But, more to the point, are those wonderful chocolates available in Belgium? jocular
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    daughter ships me Swiss Chocolate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Consider this box with Belgian pralines as an apology:
    (from the Neuhaus Chocolate Flagship Store, NY)
    My friend from Germany, upon returning to the States, continued to have family members ship him wonderful brandy-filled chocolates from Germany, not available here due to alcohol content, until Customs began confiscating them! (I'll bet those Inspectors LOVED those chocolates!)

    But, more to the point, are those wonderful chocolates available in Belgium? jocular

    Yes. Neuhaus is a Belgian chocolatier and has as such some shops in Belgium (e.g. Brussels, etc.).
    The boxes can be filled with any type of praline you want.

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    My in-laws were fostering a German exchange student for a bit. Her mom would ship her chocolates from back home. Wunderbar.

    It is not the first time that I hear positive reviews about German chocolate,
    but I have not tried it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    Consider this box with Belgian pralines as an apology:
    (from the Neuhaus Chocolate Flagship Store, NY)
    My friend from Germany, upon returning to the States, continued to have family members ship him wonderful brandy-filled chocolates from Germany, not available here due to alcohol content, until Customs began confiscating them! (I'll bet those Inspectors LOVED those chocolates!)

    But, more to the point, are those wonderful chocolates available in Belgium? jocular

    Yes. Neuhaus is a Belgian chocolatier and has as such some shops in Belgium (e.g. Brussels, etc.).
    The boxes can be filled with any type of praline you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    My in-laws were fostering a German exchange student for a bit. Her mom would ship her chocolates from back home. Wunderbar.

    It is not the first time that I hear positive reviews about German chocolate,
    but I have not tried it yet.
    Neither have I. Belgium Chocolate is pretty awesome also
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    daughter ships me Swiss Chocolate!
    Should have known you have a sweet tooth

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    I used to get some pretty nice chocolate from Germany by means of a sister-in-law. Unfortunately, the supply of chocolate came to an end with the disolution of the marriage.

    Hachez is one of Germany’s largest chocolate producers. The company was founded in 1890 by Joseph Emile Hachez in Bremen.

    Today, they produce a wide range of bars, truffles, chocolate coins and other chocolate products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
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    daughter ships me Swiss Chocolate!
    Should have known you have a sweet tooth

    rarely ....I ration out a bite a night! *chuckle*....my weakness is beef or venison jerky......I used to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I used to get some pretty nice chocolate from Germany by means of a sister-in-law. Unfortunately, the supply of chocolate came to an end with the disolution of the marriage.

    Hachez is one of Germany’s largest chocolate producers. The company was founded in 1890 by Joseph Emile Hachez in Bremen.

    Today, they produce a wide range of bars, truffles, chocolate coins and other chocolate products.
    As will mine when she comes back to the US next year! This Mom can hardly wait!
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    I like carrots AND chocolate. Daughter sends me some from Switzerland once in awhile. Good daughter, that girl of mine. Good son, too.
    I didn't know Switzerland was noted for its carrots.

    As to the OP title is Chocolate with Benefits like Friends with Benefits? You get to eat it, but you don't suffer the consequences, such as weight gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    I like carrots AND chocolate. Daughter sends me some from Switzerland once in awhile. Good daughter, that girl of mine. Good son, too.
    I didn't know Switzerland was noted for its carrots.

    As to the OP title is Chocolate with Benefits like Friends with Benefits? You get to eat it, but you don't suffer the consequences, such as weight gain.
    OMG!??!

    John Galt is having a go at...(gasp)....Humor?

    Articles about chocolate are always of interest to me...

    But before you decide to switch to an all-dark-chocolate diet and throw away the rabbit food, keep this in mind: The recommended dose is one ounce per day. It doesn’t sound like much, but it may help reduce blood pressure and increase arterial blood flow, reduce the chance of blood clots and lower LDL (bad) cholesterol.

    Here’s another dietary caution: Downing a glass of milk along with your ounce of dark chocolate negates all the good stuff. Research has shown that milk interferes with the absorption of the antioxidants. So, in that case, all you get are the calories.
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    Another short article on chocolate...



    Research from Victoria University indicates that chocolate is not the enemy in the weight loss battle. Instead Dr Lily Stojanovska, co-author of The Chocolate Diet: how to eat chocolate and feel great about it, says it can assist with losing weight and improve health.
    So what are the benefits? Cocoa contains the alkaloid theobromine, which can increase muscle stimulation and energy, as well as widening blood vessels and reducing blood pressure. Research has shown that cocoa also decreases cholesterol levels, the risk of cardiovascular disease and the incidence of stroke.
    It can even reduce the risk of depression by helping our brains produce mood-altering chemicals. Dr Stojanovska says “Cocoa acts on the brain to increase production of neurotransmitters such as dopamine, serotonin and tryptophan, which increase mood and decrease the rate of depression.”¯
    Dark chocolate also contains the antioxidant epicatechin, which contains more than twice the antioxidant levels in red wine. It increases the rate at which our bodies burn fat and suppresses the appetite.
    But don’t think you can go and eat a family-size block- it’s all about moderate amounts. Dr Stojanovska says “studies are showing that 10-20g/day should be sufficient.”¯
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    John Galt is having a go at...(gasp)....Humor?
    Pay attention for ****'s sake. I did a quick check and seven (7) of my last twenty five (25) posts were humourous. (I'm indifferent to whether anyone else found them funny, I did.)

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    You damned evolutionists are all the same! Equivocating about the meaning of words.
    This was directed at Cogito Ergo Sum who had, rightly, objected to his area of expertise being called biologicals. It plays on the fact that creationists tend to lump all scientists into a singular group. (It also takes a dig at the bastards at the Evolution Fairytale Forum who use equivocation as a means of ejecting members who are winning arguments against creationists.)

    Would an aaletheist not believe in aletheism? And would they displace aardvark from the front of the dictionary?
    A member has coined a new word aletheism. The similarity of entymology with theism and atheism could not go unremarked. (Also, I like writing and saying the word aardvark and few opportunities present themselves. Aardvark.)

    I always thought the correct appellation for the appalation hills was Appalachian. But that's just me.
    A member had misspelled Appalachian. It was too good an opportunity to pass up. (I'm sure there are passes in the Appalachians.)

    Well a my friend. First you have a de fine wine, den you have a de fine food, then some more a de fine wine, and only then you have a de fine sex.
    A member asked us to define sex. The above must be said with a mock Italian accent.

    Was it sliced or hooked?
    A response to a member inquiring as to the effect of a golf ball traveling through a neighbourhood at near light speed. I felt more information was in order to give a complete answer.

    Yes, but they are our unelected capitalists.
    This is response to a member who thought it didn't much matter whether we were impacted by foreign capitalists or British capitalists. I echoed the remark variously attributed Lyndon Johnson, Eisenhower and others - "They may be bastards, but they are our bastards."


    I think you - and Babe, based on her characterisation of me somewhere as 'stern' - fail to appreciate dry, self deprecating British humour, or the fact that some of us write on several layers. (And in winter, in several layers.)
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    Thereby confirming my suspicion that the implicit smiley wink after the first sentence of my last post would not be evident. But, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    John Galt is having a go at...(gasp)....Humor?
    Pay attention for ****'s sake. I did a quick check and seven (7) of my last twenty five (25) posts were humourous. (I'm indifferent to whether anyone else found them funny, I did.)

    Some may not make much sense out of context, but here are The Magnificent Seven. Comments in blue, quotes in italics.

    You damned evolutionists are all the same! Equivocating about the meaning of words.
    This was directed at Cogito Ergo Sum who had, rightly, objected to his area of expertise being called biologicals. It plays on the fact that creationists tend to lump all scientists into a singular group. (It also takes a dig at the bastards at the Evolution Fairytale Forum who use equivocation as a means of ejecting members who are winning arguments against creationists.)

    Would an aaletheist not believe in aletheism? And would they displace aardvark from the front of the dictionary?
    A member has coined a new word aletheism. The similarity of entymology with theism and atheism could not go unremarked. (Also, I like writing and saying the word aardvark and few opportunities present themselves. Aardvark.)

    I always thought the correct appellation for the appalation hills was Appalachian. But that's just me.
    A member had misspelled Appalachian. It was too good an opportunity to pass up. (I'm sure there are passes in the Appalachians.)

    Well a my friend. First you have a de fine wine, den you have a de fine food, then some more a de fine wine, and only then you have a de fine sex.
    A member asked us to define sex. The above must be said with a mock Italian accent.

    Was it sliced or hooked?
    A response to a member inquiring as to the effect of a golf ball traveling through a neighbourhood at near light speed. I felt more information was in order to give a complete answer.

    Yes, but they are our unelected capitalists.
    This is response to a member who thought it didn't much matter whether we were impacted by foreign capitalists or British capitalists. I echoed the remark variously attributed Lyndon Johnson, Eisenhower and others - "They may be bastards, but they are our bastards."


    I think you - and Babe, based on her characterisation of me somewhere as 'stern' - fail to appreciate dry, self deprecating British humour, or the fact that some of us write on several layers. (And in winter, in several layers.)
    You went back and counted?

    You need to eat some chocolate.
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    You went back and counted?
    Of course. In a science forum we should always quantify variables whenever possible. Also, it is not sufficient to make an assertion. It must be supported by evidence (hence I quoted the items) and reasoned argument (hence the explanation of the humourous intent).

    Moreover, making that much effort, while not necessarily humourous is, surely, whimsical.

    Never forget, humour is a serious business.

    [Cue Bob Monkhouse line: When I told my friends I wanted to be a comedian, they laughed. Well, they are not laughing now.]

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    I like carrots AND chocolate. Daughter sends me some from Switzerland once in awhile. Good daughter, that girl of mine. Good son, too.
    I didn't know Switzerland was noted for its carrots.

    As to the OP title is Chocolate with Benefits like Friends with Benefits? You get to eat it, but you don't suffer the consequences, such as weight gain.
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    Imma be a retard.

    I put a small spoon full of cocoa + milk + wheat germ + blueberries + raspberries + blackberries and a squirt of honey for taste to make a smoothie.

    I think cocoa has the highest concentration of antioxidant though.
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    so what can I do? Don't want to gain weight..
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    Does that look fattening?
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    haven't tried cocoa....might do that....I make my smoothies out of papaya, banana, mango, kiwi, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, and banana's.
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    I think that chocolate does have some benefits, one of of them thought to be great for the weight as it lowers down the cholesterol in the blood. Of course, this is talking about dark chocolate that is high in coco powder and low in the coco butter!
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    Farmers here sell cocoa fruit....but they warn you it can also make you high
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    Farmers here sell cocoa fruit....but they warn you it can also make you high
    Do you buy it then? What do they taste like?
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    Farmers here sell cocoa fruit....but they warn you it can also make you high
    Do you buy it then? What do they taste like?
    I had one. I needed a scientist to tell me what to do with it. If I get another this year...it will be interesting.....I will be online possibly stoned out of my mind! *L*....

    I am crazy enough without help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    John Galt is having a go at...(gasp)....Humor?
    Pay attention for ****'s sake. I did a quick check and seven (7) of my last twenty five (25) posts were humourous. (I'm indifferent to whether anyone else found them funny, I did.)

    Some may not make much sense out of context, but here are The Magnificent Seven. Comments in blue, quotes in italics.

    You damned evolutionists are all the same! Equivocating about the meaning of words.
    This was directed at Cogito Ergo Sum who had, rightly, objected to his area of expertise being called biologicals. It plays on the fact that creationists tend to lump all scientists into a singular group. (It also takes a dig at the bastards at the Evolution Fairytale Forum who use equivocation as a means of ejecting members who are winning arguments against creationists.)

    Would an aaletheist not believe in aletheism? And would they displace aardvark from the front of the dictionary?
    A member has coined a new word aletheism. The similarity of entymology with theism and atheism could not go unremarked. (Also, I like writing and saying the word aardvark and few opportunities present themselves. Aardvark.)

    I always thought the correct appellation for the appalation hills was Appalachian. But that's just me.
    A member had misspelled Appalachian. It was too good an opportunity to pass up. (I'm sure there are passes in the Appalachians.)

    Well a my friend. First you have a de fine wine, den you have a de fine food, then some more a de fine wine, and only then you have a de fine sex.
    A member asked us to define sex. The above must be said with a mock Italian accent.

    Was it sliced or hooked?
    A response to a member inquiring as to the effect of a golf ball traveling through a neighbourhood at near light speed. I felt more information was in order to give a complete answer.

    Yes, but they are our unelected capitalists.
    This is response to a member who thought it didn't much matter whether we were impacted by foreign capitalists or British capitalists. I echoed the remark variously attributed Lyndon Johnson, Eisenhower and others - "They may be bastards, but they are our bastards."


    I think you - and Babe, based on her characterisation of me somewhere as 'stern' - fail to appreciate dry, self deprecating British humour, or the fact that some of us write on several layers. (And in winter, in several layers.)
    Yes I think Babe's relentless propaganda about the the men she fancies on this forum tends to influence some people's opinions. Also, humour seems not to travel the Atlantic particularly well - in either direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by john galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    john galt is having a go at...(gasp)....humor?
    pay attention for ****'s sake. I did a quick check and seven (7) of my last twenty five (25) posts were humourous. (i'm indifferent to whether anyone else found them funny, i did.)

    some may not make much sense out of context, but here are the magnificent seven. Comments in blue, quotes in italics.

    you damned evolutionists are all the same! Equivocating about the meaning of words.
    this was directed at cogito ergo sum who had, rightly, objected to his area of expertise being called biologicals. it plays on the fact that creationists tend to lump all scientists into a singular group. (it also takes a dig at the bastards at the evolution fairytale forum who use equivocation as a means of ejecting members who are winning arguments against creationists.)

    would an aaletheist not believe in aletheism? And would they displace aardvark from the front of the dictionary?
    a member has coined a new word aletheism. The similarity of entymology with theism and atheism could not go unremarked. (also, i like writing and saying the word aardvark and few opportunities present themselves. Aardvark.)

    i always thought the correct appellation for the appalation hills was appalachian. But that's just me.
    a member had misspelled appalachian. It was too good an opportunity to pass up. (i'm sure there are passes in the appalachians.)

    well a my friend. First you have a de fine wine, den you have a de fine food, then some more a de fine wine, and only then you have a de fine sex.
    a member asked us to define sex. The above must be said with a mock italian accent.

    was it sliced or hooked?
    a response to a member inquiring as to the effect of a golf ball traveling through a neighbourhood at near light speed. I felt more information was in order to give a complete answer.

    yes, but they are our unelected capitalists.
    this is response to a member who thought it didn't much matter whether we were impacted by foreign capitalists or british capitalists. I echoed the remark variously attributed lyndon johnson, eisenhower and others - "they may be bastards, but they are our bastards."


    i think you - and babe, based on her characterisation of me somewhere as 'stern' - fail to appreciate dry, self deprecating british humour, or the fact that some of us write on several layers. (and in winter, in several layers.)
    yes i think babe's relentless propaganda about the the men she fancies on this forum tends to influence some people's opinions. Also, humour seems not to travel the atlantic particularly well - in either direction.
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    I am of the opinion that you should have used capital letters, large font and color for your response babe. I had it explained to me by a teenage lad that guys don't 'get' subtle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I am of the opinion that you should have used capital letters, large font and color for your response babe. I had it explained to me by a teenage lad that guys don't 'get' subtle.
    thank you Scheherazade....I forget about the cotton between their ears at times so at your suggestion!


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    is that better Scheherazade?
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    I had it explained to me by a teenage lad that guys don't 'get' subtle.

    I second that.
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    I love chocolate very much though it has high calorie.
    Besides, the taste that chocolate melts in our mouth is wonderful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happymandy View Post
    I love chocolate very much though it has high calorie.
    Besides, the taste that chocolate melts in our mouth is wonderful.
    The 'mouth feel' of chocolate is definitely one of the factors that I select for. I store chocolate in a cool location, a pantry cupboard on a shelf that is about 30 inches above the floor. When I am ready to eat it, I let it get warmed to room temperature because it melts that much more quickly then. Though dark chocolate is considered to be healthier, I still like a good milk chocolate for the fact that it has that a greater 'mouth feel' in my opinion. I divide my consumption between the two types of chocolate.
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    haven't tried cocoa....might do that....I make my smoothies out of papaya, banana, mango, kiwi, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, and banana's.
    That sounds like a LOT of sugar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    I love chocolate very much though it has high calorie.
    Besides, the taste that chocolate melts in our mouth is wonderful.
    The 'mouth feel' of chocolate is definitely one of the factors that I select for. I store chocolate in a cool location, a pantry cupboard on a shelf that is about 30 inches above the floor. When I am ready to eat it, I let it get warmed to room temperature because it melts that much more quickly then. Though dark chocolate is considered to be healthier, I still like a good milk chocolate for the fact that it has that a greater 'mouth feel' in my opinion. I divide my consumption between the two types of chocolate.
    My wife and I are in agreement (one time!), that the "mouth feel' you speak of is caused by the presence of fat. Whether fried vs. grilled or baked chicken, boiled vs. stir-fried vegetables, and of course sweets, the non-fat preparations taste more "cardboardlike". Just our opinion. joc
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    So, chocolate is a senior citizen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    So, chocolate is a senior citizen?
    Indeed. At least 1,900 years old.

    The history of chocolate began in Mesoamerica. Chocolate, the fermented, roasted, and ground beans of the Theobroma cacao, can be traced to the Mokaya and other pre-Olmec people, with evidence of cocoa beverages dating back to 1900 BC.[1]
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    Does that look fattening?
    I think not much is fine.
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    This dang thread ought to be closed. Each time I come back to it, it bounces back and forth as I futilely attempt to get to the newest threads, as it keeps adding the various images back on.

    I believe I'll have a square of dark, while waiting. joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    This dang thread ought to be closed. Each time I come back to it, it bounces back and forth as I futilely attempt to get to the newest threads, as it keeps adding the various images back on.

    I believe I'll have a square of dark, while waiting. joc
    I think you can stop that by adjusting your settings in regard to how many posts show per thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    This dang thread ought to be closed. Each time I come back to it, it bounces back and forth as I futilely attempt to get to the newest threads, as it keeps adding the various images back on.

    I believe I'll have a square of dark, while waiting. joc
    I think you can stop that by adjusting your settings in regard to how many posts show per thread.
    Yup! You have point there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    This dang thread ought to be closed. Each time I come back to it, it bounces back and forth as I futilely attempt to get to the newest threads, as it keeps adding the various images back on.

    I believe I'll have a square of dark, while waiting. joc
    I think you can stop that by adjusting your settings in regard to how many posts show per thread.
    Doggone it! Engineering College did not prepare me for this sort of subterfuge, and now I glean help from a lady!! No comprende, "how many posts show per thread? I though A THREAD had "X" number of posts. Silly me then interprets it as "how many posts per page. Will that do it? Can I change that? More complex gadgetry than Manhattan Project, here! joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    haven't tried cocoa....might do that....I make my smoothies out of papaya, banana, mango, kiwi, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, and banana's.
    That sounds like a LOT of sugar.
    potassium, vitamin C, etc etc and it fulfills at least two servings of fruit...no sugar is added....and I think I forgot 0% Fat Greek Yogurt....i
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    This dang thread ought to be closed. Each time I come back to it, it bounces back and forth as I futilely attempt to get to the newest threads, as it keeps adding the various images back on.

    I believe I'll have a square of dark, while waiting. joc
    I think you can stop that by adjusting your settings in regard to how many posts show per thread.
    Doggone it! Engineering College did not prepare me for this sort of subterfuge, and now I glean help from a lady!! No comprende, "how many posts show per thread? I though A THREAD had "X" number of posts. Silly me then interprets it as "how many posts per page. Will that do it? Can I change that? More complex gadgetry than Manhattan Project, here! joc
    Sorry. I am posting in between watching the finals of Dancing With The Stars because Mother watches the show andit gives us additional topics on which to converse.

    You are correct. I meant posts per page, not thread.

    Go to your settings, top right of this page. Then go to general settings on the left side bar under My Settings, My Account. That will bring up the page where you can set how many posts per page.
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    haven't tried cocoa....might do that....I make my smoothies out of papaya, banana, mango, kiwi, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, and banana's.
    That sounds like a LOT of sugar.
    potassium, vitamin C, etc etc and it fulfills at least two servings of fruit...no sugar is added....and I think I forgot 0% Fat Greek Yogurt....i
    I think that Flick is referring to the amount of natural sugar in the fruit itself...
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    haven't tried cocoa....might do that....I make my smoothies out of papaya, banana, mango, kiwi, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, and banana's.
    That sounds like a LOT of sugar.
    potassium, vitamin C, etc etc and it fulfills at least two servings of fruit...no sugar is added....and I think I forgot 0% Fat Greek Yogurt....i
    I think that Flick is referring to the amount of natural sugar in the fruit itself...
    I don't think one every other day is gonna kill me or even one...that is about the extent of my sugar per day! Well except for my 2 glasses of champagne!
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    This dang thread ought to be closed. Each time I come back to it, it bounces back and forth as I futilely attempt to get to the newest threads, as it keeps adding the various images back on.

    I believe I'll have a square of dark, while waiting. joc
    I think you can stop that by adjusting your settings in regard to how many posts show per thread.
    Doggone it! Engineering College did not prepare me for this sort of subterfuge, and now I glean help from a lady!! No comprende, "how many posts show per thread? I thought A THREAD had "X" number of posts. Silly me then interprets it as "how many posts per page. Will that do it? Can I change that? More complex gadgetry than Manhattan Project, here! joc
    Sorry. I am posting in between watching the finals of Dancing With The Stars because Mother watches the show andit gives us additional topics on which to converse.

    You are correct. I meant posts per page, not thread.

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    You are a doll! With all you must do to manage the everyday things needed up there, where cold dictates that first things come first, you take time to advise a reprobate whose existence is so much more simple! Thank you!

    I do not, however, forget those nights while we "lived" in Northern Arizona, at 6700 feet, when nature called, and the outhouse, 50 feet from the cabin, beckoned. As you might recall, our Canadian-made cookstove Elmira proved absolutely essential to our existence. A year spent milking the big Nubian daily, cutting firewood almost daily, getting that wood upstairs to the second level where we lived, the winter was a bit rough; those days preceding it were unlike any others before in my entire life. Summer, every single day, dawned cloudless; by noon, it was apparent rain was imminent. Some rain fell almost every day. We were thrust into this new kind of living by the Reagan Recession. Upon returning to the "grid" in Phoenix, co-workers, unable to imagine our pluck, constantly asked what it was like, did I think they could do it, would we do it again? All dreaming of escaping the "system", which had securely wire-bound their testicles irretrievably.

    You, I think, have achieved a "happy medium". By the sounds of your descriptions. But, I make no bones about it, I surely know that preparation for the difficult winter season take precedence over nonsense. I have no idea just how "rustic", or perhaps, "primitive", your place is. Whether you have Utility-Supplied fuel, reasonably well-ensured power supply, locally provided help, if needed. We down here mainly imagine your area up there as a winter wasteland, of sorts, please excuse the colorful description, if you will. Today, Deb & I, parking in the Edgewater Hotel lot, noted several B.C. plates, an Alberta, 3 Ontario, and 2 Saskatchewan, these being small vehicles likely towed behind motorhomes. We have on occasion spoken to quite a few of the Canadian visitors over the past 3 winters, as 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 we were here as visitors ourselves. The resort hotels are congregated along the west side of the Colorado River, thus in Nevada, a "riverwalk" having been built providing an uninterrupted paved walkway from the Riverside Casino Hotel on down to the River Palms, a distance of 1.5 miles. The walk is not strenuous, merely following, basically, the natural drop of the riverbed. Most folks encountered are friendly enough. Many stop to engage conversation. Many from far away are most interested to learn more of the local lore; they are usually Canadian. We hope that we instill a positive note. Many of the visitors from north of the border complain of having to pay U.S. taxes. Most are simply friendly, seeking to know more about the local lore.

    We like it here, despite the incessant desert winds. jocular
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    This being a thread on the benefits of chocolate, I think that I had best indulge in some whilst making reply to jocular. Today's selections is from several selections of Hershey, made in a peanut free factory, obtained at 25% of original cost after Halloween on the second round of reductions. Working in retail, I have access to chocolate year round, always at reduced price. After Christmas, we have the best selection of quality chocolate, if there remains any for the mark-down. Chocolate sells like hotcakes over Christmas because it is a gender and age neutral gift. Even if the recipient does not indulge in chocolate, they can put it out for their guests. You can never go wrong gifting with decent chocolate, and much good chocolate is of reasonable price.

    My current location and state of affairs is far removed from a rather austere youth and times when we lived in remote locations with no amenities, sometimes not even candles, and so I know how to make a 'bitch lamp', basically a wick of string and any liquid fat, ours being rendered from the fatty fleshing of spring beaver hides. They were smoky, smelly and forever in need of 'trim' or adjustment, hence they were so named. We children used to fell the needed firewood with axe and a crosscut saw and pull it to the cabin on a heavy wooden toboggan wearing 'snowshoes' made of boards that had been shaped with an axe and a cut-out made for the toe, with toe loops of moose hide. That was the roughest several months of my memory.

    Now we reside in a solid 24 x 28 cabin with indoor plumbing, electricity and previously oil heat. We are presently in transition to propane, with a small wood stove back up which we are currently using, hence I have been honing my wood splitting skills, lol. Hubby is very fond of technology and cooking and so I have a kitchen that lacks for nothing that I want and computers, television, cameras and a separate music studio just 75 yards away.

    My preparations for winter include getting in a year's supply of hay ahead for the horses, making sure all of the vehicles are serviced, the pantry, freezer and cupboards have sufficient supplies to tide us over any road closures or power outages and that we have a 'rainy day fund' for emergencies. We are a small unorganized community just south of the city limits and while folks are all pretty independent, we also keep an eye out for each other and pitch in to help where needed. I am still one of those providing assistance to others but as time goes on, it is not inconceivable that I might some day need assistance from others.

    Interestingly, we also have an Edgewater Hotel in Whitehorse, on Main Street and the corner of First Avenue, close to the waterfront along the Yukon River. The desert sounds like an interesting place but at this point in time I am fairly bound by commitments to this locale. I also do not take heat very well at all so will likely peruse such climates from the comfort of my laptop, my window on the world.
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    Schez, might I ask whether your locality consists of a residential type development, or rather acreages owned in an unincorporated area, and built upon?

    The property we purchased near Show Low, AZ, alt. 6700 ft., had plenty of cedar and pinon pine for firewood, the main interest in purchasing. We imagined retirement there, and were making monthly payments when we found ourselves left without jobs during the Reagan Recession. Thus, the property provided an interim place to live, sans any conveniences whatever. I can still smell (and taste!), those wonderful small loaves of bread my wife baked in the Elmira cookstove, made from goat's milk provided by the big Nubian we bought! joc
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    Personally, I think you guys are crazy.

    My retirement is to a coastal area with a temperature range of +5 C (41 F) to 28C (82 F). Why would anyone in his/her right mind want to CHOOSE a place that bloody cold in winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Personally, I think you guys are crazy.

    My retirement is to a coastal area with a temperature range of +5 C (41 F) to 28C (82 F). Why would anyone in his/her right mind want to CHOOSE a place that bloody cold in winter.
    Perhaps because of the lower population density?
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    Schez, might I ask whether your locality consists of a residential type development, or rather acreages owned in an unincorporated area, and built upon?

    The property we purchased near Show Low, AZ, alt. 6700 ft., had plenty of cedar and pinon pine for firewood, the main interest in purchasing. We imagined retirement there, and were making monthly payments when we found ourselves left without jobs during the Reagan Recession. Thus, the property provided an interim place to live, sans any conveniences whatever. I can still smell (and taste!), those wonderful small loaves of bread my wife baked in the Elmira cookstove, made from goat's milk provided by the big Nubian we bought! joc
    I had a Nubian goat for a while also. Great milker and nice personality.

    We reside in a rural residential subdivision just outside of town where lot sizes are 15-22 acres. We have the second largest lot at 21.2 acres. Recently, the zoning has changed to allow for subdivision so our retirement fund is now pretty much secured although we do not plan to subdivide unless it becomes a fiscal necessity. Here is an aerial photo of our place taken in about 2005. A few things have changed but all the major structures are still in place. The large gambrel roof is our home.

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    Perhaps because of the lower population density?
    I doubt it. NZ population density is, if anything, slightly higher than the USA. We are a small country. A lot lower than anywhere in Europe, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Personally, I think you guys are crazy.

    My retirement is to a coastal area with a temperature range of +5 C (41 F) to 28C (82 F). Why would anyone in his/her right mind want to CHOOSE a place that bloody cold in winter.
    Pretty self-centered question, if you ask me, but......since you didn't, your tone suggests that EVERY retiree should reside where you do. One can hope that droves are on their way right now! jocular
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    Schez, might I ask whether your locality consists of a residential type development, or rather acreages owned in an unincorporated area, and built upon?

    The property we purchased near Show Low, AZ, alt. 6700 ft., had plenty of cedar and pinon pine for firewood, the main interest in purchasing. We imagined retirement there, and were making monthly payments when we found ourselves left without jobs during the Reagan Recession. Thus, the property provided an interim place to live, sans any conveniences whatever. I can still smell (and taste!), those wonderful small loaves of bread my wife baked in the Elmira cookstove, made from goat's milk provided by the big Nubian we bought! joc
    I had a Nubian goat for a while also. Great milker and nice personality.

    We reside in a rural residential subdivision just outside of town where lot sizes are 15-22 acres. We have the second largest lot at 21.2 acres. Recently, the zoning has changed to allow for subdivision so our retirement fund is now pretty much secured although we do not plan to subdivide unless it becomes a fiscal necessity. Here is an aerial photo of our place taken in about 2005. A few things have changed but all the major structures are still in place. The large gambrel roof is our home.

    Is the swimming pool indoors? joc
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    Perhaps because of the lower population density?
    I doubt it. NZ population density is, if anything, slightly higher than the USA. We are a small country. A lot lower than anywhere in Europe, of course.

    Big difference! Never tell it by being a bystander in any of the three locales. joc


    Pop. Density NZ: 16.2/sq. km. Population density (people per sq. km) in New Zealand

    Pop. Density Canada: 3.5/sq. km. List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pop. Density U.S.A: 35/sq.km. List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    LOL...

    No swimming pool, not even a tub! My concession to the environment was to install only a shower. The aerial view may look fairly impressive but the only significant expense is the metal roofing. The fencing at that time was all post and rail, all of the rails dropped and nailed by myself though I had some help from a machine with an auger for the post holes. The hay sheds are just open pole concept with a metal roof. The various sheds are also very rudimentary. The log cabin, once again, trees dropped at a local mill where I worked the green chain with a fellow that I had contracted to mill the logs. Some of the equipment parked belongs to people who were boarding horses at the time.

    A huge amount of sweat equity compared to actual financial outlay, even to this day.

    I save my money for guilty pleasures like wine and chocolate and I even have some recipes for making those.
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    Pretty self-centered question, if you ask me, but......since you didn't, your tone suggests that EVERY retiree should reside where you do. One can hope that droves are on their way right now! jocular
    Well, it may be selfish, but I hope not.

    No, but there are numerous places in the Americas to retire with very salubrious climates. Just wondered why choose to live where a man's nuts freeze together, and a woman's boobs turn blue.
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    Pretty self-centered question, if you ask me, but......since you didn't, your tone suggests that EVERY retiree should reside where you do. One can hope that droves are on their way right now! jocular
    Well, it may be selfish, but I hope not.

    No, but there are numerous places in the Americas to retire with very salubrious climates. Just wondered why choose to live where a man's nuts freeze together, and a woman's boobs turn blue.
    Ha! Precisely why THIS old reprobate left the Chicago area 40 years ago! That winter, temps. for several successive days were -23`F low, -12`F high, daily. After they freeze together, one must be careful not to bump anything, lest they fall off! joc If not familiar with Fahrenheit, sorry. Ask Scheherazade.
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    I save my money for guilty pleasures like wine and chocolate and I even have some recipes for making those.
    Jiminy Cricket! I spent a lifetime concerned over whether I should feel guilty for my pleasures, and here, in my screaming finality towards the other end of the tunnel, I find the idea used loosely, thus unburdening my long enslavement.....

    2-1/2 gallons of strawberry wine are ready to be racked and removed from their bubblers. But, somehow, the combination of wine and chocolate do not appeal strongly to me. joc
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    Personally, I think you guys are crazy.

    My retirement is to a coastal area with a temperature range of +5 C (41 F) to 28C (82 F). Why would anyone in his/her right mind want to CHOOSE a place that bloody cold in winter.
    Hawai'i ain't that bad!! *L*
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    No problem with your choice.

    If I were American, I might do the same. A warm tropical island is nice. But the Yukon.........???????????????????????????????????? ????
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    No problem with your choice.

    If I were American, I might do the same. A warm tropical island is nice. But the Yukon.........???????????????????????????????????? ????
    New Zealand is somewhere I have on my bucket list....I don't know what your winters are like.....but I hear both NZ and Tasmania are gorgeous....friends in both places...I have been to Australia and I loved it.
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    No problem with your choice.

    If I were American, I might do the same. A warm tropical island is nice. But the Yukon.........???????????????????????????????????? ????
    Allow me to present some 'evidence' of why Whitehorse, Yukon, is a great place to live, not merely my own opinion.

    A total of 47 cities out of 180 on our 2011 Canada’s Best Places to Live ranking had fewer than 25,000 people according to the 2006 census. We’ve broken out the top five of these smaller cities and given some reasons why they did well and why they didn’t do better. The remaining 42 locations are also listed. For the entire ranking of all 180 cities, please see our 2011 Best Places to Live list. Whitehorse, Yk. may surprise people as our number one city with fewer than 25,000 people and 12th overall. Whitehorse is the capital of the Yukon Territory and was incorporated in 1950. The city has a rich history going back to the gold rush of the 1890s and currently relies on mining, government and tourism as significant parts of its economy.

    As you would expect, a city that is only 700 kilometers south of the Arctic Circle ranks low on the weather scale (143 out of 180). Crime is an issue and house prices trend to the high side. However, Whitehorse performs very well in most of the other categories. It ranks number one in two of the three income measurements and number 43 in the third. Provincial income and sales tax are low compared to the rest of the country. A population growth of 7% ranks Whitehorse number eight of all the cities in our study. Looking for work is easier here with a ranking of 11 out of 180 in our unemployment rate. Lastly, it comes in number 10 in our culture ranking which measures the percentage of people employed in arts, culture, recreation and sports.
    What are Canada's best smaller cities to live in? - MoneySense

    While our winter weather may not suit everyone, it is enjoyable for those who are into snow sports and our services for seniors are among the best in Canada. To date, we have also not experienced tornadoes, tsunamis or significantly disastrous weather events. The Yukon is far less extreme than many people seem to think.
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    Re New Zealand winters.
    They vary. I live (with malice aforetought) in the warmest area in the north. As I said, our coldest is +5 C (41 F). Other places can get significantly cold, though not as bad as the Yukon. Usually, once each winter, we get one place in our colder South Island, where the snow gets to sea level. However, most of the time, the snow stays where it is civilised - on the mountains.

    I enjoy snow, and I enjoy skiing. But I like to be able to drive down the mountain and leave the snow behind.

    To Scheherazade.

    Am not really criticisng your much loved Yukon. We are all different, and what we enjoy is different. If I had enough money, I would live right here over the NZ summer, and live somewhere else that is warm over the NZ winter. I like the warmth. But we all have our own special quirks.
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    To Scheherazade.

    Am not really criticisng your much loved Yukon. We are all different, and what we enjoy is different. If I had enough money, I would live right here over the NZ summer, and live somewhere else that is warm over the NZ winter. I like the warmth. But we all have our own special quirks.
    Having been born and raised outside of Chicago, I know full well the wintery aspects we called "drudgery" back then. My Dad's father had come to Chicago from Czechoslovakia in 1892, at age 16. His first born, my Dad, came along in 1901, followed by 4 other siblings. They all spent their entire lives in the Midwest. I broke with the tradition at 30, moving to Southern Nevada, the Mohave (or, Mojave) Desert, hot as hell in summer, quite cold in winter, 0`F not being very unusual, but this was at alt. 2000 ft. Lower was less cold, higher much colder, as you mentioned. I was surprised by your remark about snow down to sea-level! What latitude might that be located, as far south as Schez. is north? Likely, not quite.

    Following my six years in Las Vegas, I spent a year in Northern Indiana, where the high humidity combined with bitter cold felt somehow even less tolerable than it had where I grew up, virtually same climate conditions. Then came 20 years outside of Phoenix, Arizona, 1000 ft. alt., mild desert, and then retirement to the Missouri Ozarks, which area was milder than Chicago by 10 degrees other than during summer, and it seemed my system had grown acclimated to the warmer desert conditions; I just did not re-adjust to it, feeling cold if the house was not maintained at 75`F or more. This required stoking up two wood-burning stoves, which in turn required much effort at cutting, splitting, and hauling firewood. We had no back-up heating means.

    Thus I expect the final portion of my stay on this Earth will likely "play out" here in the Arizona desert. joc
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    . I was surprised by your remark about snow down to sea-level! What latitude might that be located, as far south as Schez. is north?
    No.

    No part of NZ is anywhere near as close to the poles as the Yukon is. Not by several thousand kilometers. The reason we get the occasional South Island snow to sea level is to do with the fact that there is nothing but ocean between our South Island and Antarctica. The rare serious southerly storm sweeping up from the southern continent has nothing to stop it.

    Overall, though, the NZ climate aint too bad. Not as warm as Hawaii, but still very pleasant most of the year. I like it warm, but not too warm. Australia in summer can become unbearably hot.
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