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    This story keeps popping up in the Internet news. Here's the story and here's the man



    This is nothing new. Doctors are growing the nose on his forehead for a very good reason. The surgeons will partially detach it, but keep its blood supply and nerves intact, and swing it down into place, as shown below from some pioneering plastic surgery done 100 years ago from World War One. This is the same man over time (and reconstructive surgeries), and he final visage has him looking very average or even rather handsome.

    If you think this is hard to look at, there were much more horrible disfigurements from World War One. Necessity is a terrible way to advance science, such as encouraging doctors to develop plastic surgery techniques. Today, when we think of "plastic surgery", we think of making someone look gorgeous, but originally it was to give someone a reasonably human and functional face.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    This story keeps popping up in the Internet news. Here's the story and here's the man —



    This is nothing new. Doctors are growing the nose on his forehead for a very good reason. The surgeons will partially detach it, but keep its blood supply and nerves intact, and swing it down into place, as shown below from some pioneering plastic surgery done 100 years ago from World War One. This is the same man over time (and reconstructive surgeries), and he final visage has him looking very average or even rather handsome.

    If you think this is hard to look at, there were much more horrible disfigurements from World War One. Necessity is a terrible way to advance science, such as encouraging doctors to develop plastic surgery techniques. Today, when we think of "plastic surgery", we think of making someone look gorgeous, but originally it was to give someone a reasonably human and functional face.
    Wonderful to see the results....but you are major pushing it with handsome! *chuckle*


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    Plastic/restorative surgery is a major gift of medicine! I'm not even necessarily opposed to it for cosmetic reasons... I'd have a varicose vein collapsed and a scar revision on my abdominal surgery scar if I had the money/insurance for it, no second thoughts!

    I think it's amazing and wonderful what advances have been made in restorative surgery in the last century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisslbody View Post
    Plastic/restorative surgery is a major gift of medicine! I'm not even necessarily opposed to it for cosmetic reasons... I'd have a varicose vein collapsed and a scar revision on my abdominal surgery scar if I had the money/insurance for it, no second thoughts!

    I think it's amazing and wonderful what advances have been made in restorative surgery in the last century.
    Absolutely!

    I think it is wonderful how they can help people.....scar revision? haven't heard about that...
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    Ruggedly handsome, some women like the type. I knew a fellow who thought he had a horribly disfigured face, and you had to look hard to notice anything as it was mostly in his mind. If people don't know what you're "supposed" to look like, sometimes the disfigurement isn't so severe to others.

    On scar revision, is it a matter of cutting out the scar and putting the two fresh edges together, or is it more like zplasty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nisslbody View Post
    Plastic/restorative surgery is a major gift of medicine! I'm not even necessarily opposed to it for cosmetic reasons... I'd have a varicose vein collapsed and a scar revision on my abdominal surgery scar if I had the money/insurance for it, no second thoughts!

    I think it's amazing and wonderful what advances have been made in restorative surgery in the last century.
    Absolutely!

    I think it is wonderful how they can help people.....scar revision? haven't heard about that...
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    Ruggedly handsome, some women like the type. I knew a fellow who thought he had a horribly disfigured face, and you had to look hard to notice anything as it was mostly in his mind. If people don't know what you're "supposed" to look like, sometimes the disfigurement isn't so severe to others.

    On scar revision, is it a matter of cutting out the scar and putting the two fresh edges together, or is it more like zplasty?
    Exactly like that... they excise the existing scar tissue and re-align the edges of the cut so that it can heal better the second time around. Unfortunately, after my surgery the original incision had some healing complications, such that the fat separated and the dermis layer attached to the muscle below. In my case, the scar tissue will be removed and the fat layer pulled in and sutured together below the dermis, drains put in to prevent a seroma (the issue I had before) and then it will be allowed to heal. I suspect that the main reason my incision healed improperly in the first place is that the doctor omitted stitching the fat layer separately from the skin layer, and neglected, for whatever reason, to put drains in the site, even though that should have been standard procedure for an incision of that size at that location. When I developed a seroma it pushed the fat apart and prevented it from healing together, so that when the skin finally healed (after months of ghastly wound-packing you wouldn't believe) it was in direct contact with the muscle layer, to which it adhered.

    Zplasty is also a type of scar revision but not the type I need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    This story keeps popping up in the Internet news. Here's the story and here's the man



    This is nothing new. Doctors are growing the nose on his forehead for a very good reason. The surgeons will partially detach it, but keep its blood supply and nerves intact, and swing it down into place, as shown below from some pioneering plastic surgery done 100 years ago from World War One. This is the same man over time (and reconstructive surgeries), and he final visage has him looking very average or even rather handsome.

    If you think this is hard to look at, there were much more horrible disfigurements from World War One. Necessity is a terrible way to advance science, such as encouraging doctors to develop plastic surgery techniques. Today, when we think of "plastic surgery", we think of making someone look gorgeous, but originally it was to give someone a reasonably human and functional face.
    Yes, I thought the same as you about this story. I once spent a week in the oral and plastic ward of a London hospital. In the other beds on my ward there was a guy with a cleft palate who was having a new roof for his mouth grown off his arm, and another bloke who had - with apparently amazing incompetence - attempted to commit suicide with a shotgun and had "missed", only blowing off his nose. He was getting a new one via a pedicle raised on his arm as well. I found these sights a nightmare for the first 24hrs but soon my disgust was replaced by amazement at what was possible. And this was back in the 1970s.
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    I had no idea fat could be stitched together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I had no idea fat could be stitched together.
    Living subcutaneous fatty tissue is nothing like rendered fat; the fat cells exist in a resilient membraneous tissue.
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    How could he have grown an adult nose on his head.Didn't it have to go through evolutionary stages,starting out a baby?
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    Are you the self appoited judge of people? Define wind merchant?Why would he have a nose planted on his head?Is for supports to keep it alive.Or is it to age it to the right size before transplanting it back?I'm not as stupid(dumb)as you apear to thing .Please quit giving me a hard time.I'm doing the best that I can.GMO nose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapien View Post
    Are you the self appoited judge of people? Define wind merchant?Why would he have a nose planted on his head?Is for supports to keep it alive.Or is it to age it to the right size before transplanting it back?I'm not as stupid(dumb)as you apear to thing .Please quit giving me a hard time.I'm doing the best that I can.GMO nose?
    The nose was literally built. Using plastic surgery. It's an "artificially built" nose rather than a "grown" nose.
    They did not implant stem cells and "Nose DNA" and let it run its course.

    As PhDemon pointed out, reading the article would clarify this... though bad journalism and poor wording choices can confuse it...

    The nose was built by implanting a bag under the skin in the mans forehead and slowly inflating it in order to grow extra skin tissue there.
    Cartilage grafts were used to build the structure of the nose. The nostrils you see in the picture dead end - they do not lead to the sinus cavity. It is simply the skin of it. When ready, they plan to rotate it down to replace his existing but badly damaged nose. It is stretched skin and grafted cartilage.

    What I wonder is whether they did not stretch the skin enough. Granted it's incomplete and I have some confidence that they know what they are doing. I hope so- otherwise they'll rotate the nose down into position leaving a skinless hole in the mans forehead that won't reach to stitch up...
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    Meh, it beats having a nose stitched to your anus.
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    It makes sense, but i dont think he will like new apperance.
    He is numb from his toes down
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hymenophyllum View Post
    It makes sense, but i dont think he will like new apperance.
    Uhmmm... Why wouldn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    meh, it beats having a nose stitched to your anus.
    howling!! Hilarious!
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    Speaking of which, Asian scientists have created a Kidney printing machine.
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    The nose looks awful
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    I don't mean to "bump" this thread, but I just came across this webpage that has even more information about advances in plastic surgery during World War One.

    How do you fix a face that's been blown off by shrapnel?

    Here's a better sequence of operations on the famous case of Lt William Spreckley. Amazing. He seemed to be taking it all in stride in the first photo. I can't say that I would be as calm as he seems to be. (Maybe he was on pain meds.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    I don't mean to "bump" this thread, but I just came across this webpage that has even more information about advances in plastic surgery during World War One.

    How do you fix a face that's been blown off by shrapnel?

    Here's a better sequence of operations on the famous case of Lt William Spreckley. Amazing. He seemed to be taking it all in stride in the first photo. I can't say that I would be as calm as he seems to be. (Maybe he was on pain meds.)

    OH MY GOD!!! WHERE did they get that third nose from! I am laughing so hard.......at the picture...that they fixed him...MARVELOUS However the third picture HOWLING!!!!!!!!!
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    especially liked the caption "blood supply" Damn
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    As shown in the second photo, the surgeon implanted some rib cartilage under the skin of his forehead. The rib cartilage will become the cartilage for the new nose, and the forehead skin over the cartilage will become the new nose skin.

    The third photo shows the rib cartilage and an (almost) triangular piece of skin over it cut out of the forehead and rotated down into place as the new nose. The blood supply (veins and arteries) from above the right eye continues to nourish the new nose.

    Somewhat similar and equally astonishing plastic surgery procedures are used in the reconstruction of a breast that has suffered a mastectomy. These procedures use a flap of skin from the lower abdomen that has its own blood supply (veins and arteries) separate from the surrounding skin. Surgeons cut away the flap from the surrounding skin (but keep its blood supply intact) and push it through a tunnel created under the skin of the abdomen to the location of the mastectomy, where it is sutured in place.

    YouTube has videos on at least two kinds of flap breast reconstruction surgeries: TRAM flap and DIEP flap. Please note that these videos contain images that some people may find disturbing.
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    this is basic plastics, nothing new. what's the point of this thread?
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    Recent news articles were lauding the efforts in China for growing a nose on a man's forehead, which I knew as nothing new because I knew about the Spreckley case from WWI. If I remember my thinking when I began the thread, nowadays people think of "plastic surgery" as a procedure to make regular people look gorgeous, but it began as a procedure to make disfigured soldiers look normal.

    And for, as you say, "basic plastics", I'd guess that most people think it's as simple as taking in clothes after losing weight (a nip here, a tuck there, etc), but that there's a lot of serious considerations (blood supply, reconstructing bones, cartilage, etc). Myself, if I hadn't read about its start on soldiers in WWI, I would have guessed it started on movie stars in the 1950s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    As shown in the second photo, the surgeon implanted some rib cartilage under the skin of his forehead. The rib cartilage will become the cartilage for the new nose, and the forehead skin over the cartilage will become the new nose skin.

    The third photo shows the rib cartilage and an (almost) triangular piece of skin over it cut out of the forehead and rotated down into place as the new nose. The blood supply (veins and arteries) from above the right eye continues to nourish the new nose.

    Somewhat similar and equally astonishing plastic surgery procedures are used in the reconstruction of a breast that has suffered a mastectomy. These procedures use a flap of skin from the lower abdomen that has its own blood supply (veins and arteries) separate from the surrounding skin. Surgeons cut away the flap from the surrounding skin (but keep its blood supply intact) and push it through a tunnel created under the skin of the abdomen to the location of the mastectomy, where it is sutured in place.

    YouTube has videos on at least two kinds of flap breast reconstruction surgeries: TRAM flap and DIEP flap. Please note that these videos contain images that some people may find disturbing.
    Although I cannot watch the video's, it is thrilling that they can do that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio View Post
    this is basic plastics, nothing new. what's the point of this thread?
    I want total body re-construction..*L*.. that is the point!!!
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    Reminds me of a quote from Oscar Wilde - "Be yourself, everyone else is taken".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Cowper View Post
    Reminds me of a quote from Oscar Wilde - "Be yourself, everyone else is taken".
    My problem is...that I am....gets me into a hell of a lot of mischief!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Although I cannot watch the video's, it is thrilling that they can do that!
    I think of videos like these as "excruciatingly interesting" I watch them with my head in my hands while the procedures fascinate me, the image of surgeons casually manipulating living human body parts disturbs me.
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    this is basic plastics, nothing new. what's the point of this thread?
    I want total body re-construction..*L*.. that is the point!!!
    why the hell would a young fit bird like yourself need a new body?
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    These stories often blow my mind. It amazes me what we are capable of accomplishing in the modern day and age. To think that we can grow a nose on the forehead of a man, and then take the nose and put it where it belongs on that same man in order to replace his current nose amazes me. I can't imagine what the future will hold in terms of plastic surgery and the ability to replace body parts. It also amazes me that they are capable of doing what they can with prosthetic limbs, as well. Science really is amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
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    Although I cannot watch the video's, it is thrilling that they can do that!
    I think of videos like these as "excruciatingly interesting" — I watch them with my head in my hands — while the procedures fascinate me, the image of surgeons casually manipulating living human body parts disturbs me.
    When my eye surgeon, told me about the surgery, after the fact....I was SO glad I didn't know the details, though I had watched some of it online. I know people who can watch them......I'm not one. I agree that it is fascinating, however Mr. Monroe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio View Post
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    this is basic plastics, nothing new. what's the point of this thread?
    I want total body re-construction..*L*.. that is the point!!!
    why the hell would a young fit bird like yourself need a new body?
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