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    Scientists took cells from a cow and, at an institute in the Netherlands, turned them into strips of muscle that they combined to make a patty.
    interesting ....

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    I, for one, welcome our lab meat growing overlords.


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    I can see it now, a McDonald's on the moon!! Or at least less land needed for herding cattle.
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    Weirdly, I've been anticipating this. Back when I first heard about growing entire organs in labs, my fat American brain said, "Now what if that lung were actually a ribeye..."
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    Am I the only one who wants to taste that burger?
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    I think this is a good idea seeing as how humans are using more land to live upon and that land was once used for cattle. The problem is that what if only one company produces this they could monopolize the product and charge whatever they wanted seeing that cattle raising wouldn't be as profitable once this product is put into the public domain at first with lower costs to drive the cattle producers out of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luna247 View Post
    Scientists took cells from a cow and, at an institute in the Netherlands, turned them into strips of muscle that they combined to make a patty.
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    World's first lab-grown burger is eaten in London
    Who but the Dutch would have the lack of culinary pride to try such a thing! All their hamburgers are made to taste like sausage anyway - horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Who but the Dutch would have the lack of culinary pride to try such a thing! All their hamburgers are made to taste like sausage anyway - horrible.
    This is the funniest thing I have ever read.

    Have you ever tasted real meat? No... really... Real Meat? Go on... tell another one.
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    While this development is certainly 'interesting' from a number of perspectives, it does not raise my curiosity to sample, possibly because I am not a proponent of the hamburger anyway. They never have agreed with me, combining meat and bread, and as I have almost eliminated bread from my diet that leaves just the ground beef which I won't walk a mile over broken glass for on a good day.

    There are plenty of tasty alternatives out there and I am having quite an adventure of finding and sampling them. Although I was raised in a 'bread, milk, meat and potatoes culture', I do not seem to have suffered any adverse effect from changing it up. I still enjoy meat and do not envision becoming vegetarian or vegan in the near future (read 'this lifetime') although I am of the opinion that I might choose that route over lab grown meat.

    That will leave plenty more for the rest of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    That will leave plenty more for the rest of you.

    You're welcome.
    lol thanks.

    But I must ask- what is your aversion to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    That will leave plenty more for the rest of you.

    You're welcome.
    lol thanks.

    But I must ask- what is your aversion to it?
    My aversion is to ground meat products in general in the retail trade. Too many exposed surfaces for bacteria to grow on.

    As for the lab-grown meat, the process alone turns my stomach, lol...

    He starts with stem cells extracted from cow muscle tissue. In the laboratory, these are cultured with nutrients and growth-promoting chemicals to help them develop and multiply. Three weeks later, there are more than a million stem cells, which are put into smaller dishes where they coalesce into small strips of muscle about a centimetre long and a few millimetres thick.

    These strips are collected into small pellets, which are frozen. When there are enough, they are defrosted and compacted into a patty just before being cooked.
    Because the meat is initially white in colour, Helen Breewood - who works with Prof Post - is trying to make the lab-grown muscle look red by adding the naturally-occurring compound myoglobin.
    I have rabbit snares hanging in the pantry and the Arctic Varying Hare hopping around on the back forty. What part of that does not make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Who but the Dutch would have the lack of culinary pride to try such a thing! All their hamburgers are made to taste like sausage anyway - horrible.
    This is the funniest thing I have ever read.

    Have you ever tasted real meat? No... really... Real Meat? Go on... tell another one.
    Having a young son who is only now graduating to solid lumps of meat, I've bought hamburgers or bifteck haché in several countries and the Dutch version, when we lived in The Hague for 3 years, was the worst by yards. But then Dutch beef is generally poor - they seem to use the wrong breeds and don't hang the meat long enough. It often seemed to give off a slightly ammoniac smell when cooking - don't know why. Whereas your Charolais or Aberdeen Angus makes a very tasty hamburger - if a hamburger is what you have to have for the sake of domestic harmony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Who but the Dutch would have the lack of culinary pride to try such a thing! All their hamburgers are made to taste like sausage anyway - horrible.
    This is the funniest thing I have ever read.

    Have you ever tasted real meat? No... really... Real Meat? Go on... tell another one.
    By real do you mean fresh "raw"? I once tasted raw deer a few hours after being killed... found it rather disdainful. Perhaps it was just the taboo aspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Having a young son who is only now graduating to solid lumps of meat, I've bought hamburgers or bifteck haché in several countries and the Dutch version, when we lived in The Hague for 3 years, was the worst by yards. But then Dutch beef is generally poor - they seem to use the wrong breeds and don't hang the meat long enough. It often seemed to give off a slightly ammoniac smell when cooking - don't know why. Whereas your Charolais or Aberdeen Angus makes a very tasty hamburger - if a hamburger is what you have to have for the sake of domestic harmony.
    I've eaten beef and I've eaten Beef. I don't really know if I can explain it.

    The meat of any animal contains trace amounts of whatever was put into their body. Cows kept in a lot or pens, pumped full of anti-biotics and slaughtered... the meat tastes foul. Bitter.
    In order to be palatable, it has got to be to be seasoned with spices.

    But meat from an animal that has lived... Whether venison (Or raw) or beef; the point is that it's an entirely different mix of flavors. Hell, I might even say it's a flavor instead of bland, I don't know.
    This crap we Buy at the supermarket... it's not meat.

    Unless you've hunted wild animals, fed on free range... I don't know how to put it into words. It's like describing a Purple Flavor. I mean, the words aren't right. You just have to experience it.

    Scheherazade;
    I do not see anything about lab grown meat that is more repulsive- in fact it seems a clean and sanitary environment free of any contaminants that can make their way into the body or infections... I do not intend to talk you INTO eating something you do not want, but rather to point out that your feelings on this seem heavily biased and irrationally so. To counter your influence in the thread.
    If you think about the amount of people that need food, the amount of slaughter- it really does seem the way to go for the masses. Yeah, I'd want meat I've hunted, not lab grown... But I want that NOW and not store bought. Sometimes, you gotta deal with it. I'd much prefer to have lab grown meat than to eat meat I did not kill and pay the proper respect toward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post

    Scheherazade;
    I do not see anything about lab grown meat that is more repulsive- in fact it seems a clean and sanitary environment free of any contaminants that can make their way into the body or infections... I do not intend to talk you INTO eating something you do not want, but rather to point out that your feelings on this seem heavily biased and irrationally so. To counter your influence in the thread.
    If you think about the amount of people that need food, the amount of slaughter- it really does seem the way to go for the masses. Yeah, I'd want meat I've hunted, not lab grown... But I want that NOW and not store bought. Sometimes, you gotta deal with it. I'd much prefer to have lab grown meat than to eat meat I did not kill and pay the proper respect toward.
    He starts with stem cells extracted from cow muscle tissue. In the laboratory, these are cultured with nutrients and growth-promoting chemicals to help them develop and multiply. Three weeks later, there are more than a million stem cells, which are put into smaller dishes where they coalesce into small strips of muscle about a centimetre long and a few millimetres thick.

    These strips are collected into small pellets, which are frozen. When there are enough, they are defrosted and compacted into a patty just before being cooked.
    Because the meat is initially white in colour, Helen Breewood - who works with Prof Post - is trying to make the lab-grown muscle look red by adding the naturally-occurring compound myoglobin.
    Cows will still be required for the stem cells. Along the process there are plenty of opportunities for contamination, just as there are now in the present food chain.

    Too many hungry people? Maybe they could stop breeding for a generation or two.

    It seems unlikely that this technology is going to proliferate in the immediate future so I don't think that I shall have to deal with that choice but future generations may have to. As I see it, future generations will be that much further removed from nature so we shall gradually get beyond my encultured biases.

    I'd be interested in the perspective of a vegan or a vegetarian on this type of 'meat'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Cows will still be required for the stem cells. Along the process there are plenty of opportunities for contamination, just as there are now in the present food chain.
    Perhaps, but I think it is precocious to assume it's just as the normal food chain. Controlled conditions are more... controlling.
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    Too many hungry people? Maybe they could stop breeding for a generation or two.

    Good luck trying to enforce that- but I do agree with you a bit, there...

    For practical purposes, society won't cull the human herds so a viable alternative is what is most likely to get implemented.

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    It seems unlikely that this technology is going to proliferate in the immediate future so I don't think that I shall have to deal with that choice but future generations may have to. As I see it, future generations will be that much further removed from nature so we shall gradually get beyond my encultured biases.
    Thankfully... But not because I find it any grosser than the current way we eat chunks of animal cells, guts, lip flesh and what have you. But because of my own rather old fashioned viewpoint on the cycle of life.

    See, you pointed out our over population problem. But the thing is, if ALL people had plenty to eat, as we seem to have in the United States, what effect might that have on breeding and such?
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    I actually think it's a great idea, provided it proves safe, and I'd be quite happy to eat it. Also think of all the land we could save that is currently needed for cattle.
    I wonder if they can make it financially viable though, this seems like the only real concern. Just how much will it end costing compared to farm grown meat.
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    Nobody spoke about the fact that the burger would cost 300.000 euro's per piece?

    Now i'm just wondering what it's made from. Kate's afterbirth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Nobody spoke about the fact that the burger would cost 300.000 euro's per piece?

    Now i'm just wondering what it's made from. Kate's afterbirth?
    I thought the same thing. It will surely be a long, long time before artificial meat is economical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I'd be interested in the perspective of a vegan or a vegetarian on this type of 'meat'.
    As someone who is vegetarian for moral reasons, I have no problem with 'grown' meat.
    (I would still have difficulty eating it though, due to what has become a 'psychological block' on eating meat.)

    From a more general PoV, it does seem to be a more healthy meat (e.g. less fat), so if (a big if) all other things are equal, then it sounds like a good option for everyone.
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    I don't really have a problem with animals dying for food purposes, but I do have a problem with the way we do it. Domestication for a food source is weird and unnatural. It's also incredibly filthy and can be unnecessarily cruel. For the environmental impact alone, I fully support diminishing the cattle and hog industries. They might be going the way of coal power eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I don't really have a problem with animals dying for food purposes, but I do have a problem with the way we do it.
    That is very similar to my own stance.

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    Domestication for a food source is weird and unnatural. It's also incredibly filthy and can be unnecessarily cruel. For the environmental impact alone, I fully support diminishing the cattle and hog industries. They might be going the way of coal power eventually.
    Although I don't think it "weird and unnatural", I agree with the other points you raise.

    We could use a field to feed a cow for 2 years and then eat the cow - or we could simply use a field to feed people for 2 years.
    But now we have the option to build a factory on the field and grow meat to feed people.
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    I should clarify that some farms raise animals open range. I'm okay with that. It's cows in pens with their head forced into food so they get the right size or geese being force-fed through tubes or chickens in cages the size of a shoe box laying eggs their whole life that I find unnatural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Nobody spoke about the fact that the burger would cost 300.000 euro's per piece?
    Yeah, can't see McDonalds loving that price point much.

    Just a thought though, it must have been at least a bit of thrill to be able to eat something that cost €300,000!
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    I ate a $100 steak, once...
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    I ate a $100 steak, once...
    Cool, I love the sense of both guilt and exhilaration of eating or drinking anything expensive, you kind of know it's such an extravergance so a little guilt but still a thill at the same time. That said it's even nicer on a expense account lol, there's nothing better than free!, well perhaps extravergant but free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I ate a $100 steak, once...
    Wagyu?
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    Well it was several of us and a meeting with some heavy hitter big wigs at the time... We met at a VERY high end upper class restaurant in Dallas. I lived in Austin at the time. That steak was not the most expensive thing on the menu... 'Dining' there was a status thing, not a hunger thing.
    But I won't deny it was well cooked and well prepared.
    Good sides, too.
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    I actually have no idea - I did not ask and was kept a bit distracted by the fellows at the table...
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    I ate a $100 steak, once...
    I have a friend who was given a glass of wine from a £500 bottle.
    She said it didn't taste that good and definitely not £500 of good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Well it was several of us and a meeting with some heavy hitter big wigs at the time... We met at a VERY high end upper class restaurant in Dallas. I lived in Austin at the time. That steak was not the most expensive thing on the menu... 'Dining' there was a status thing, not a hunger thing.
    But I won't deny it was well cooked and well prepared.
    Good sides, too.
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    I actually have no idea - I did not ask and was kept a bit distracted by the fellows at the table...
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    I ate a $100 steak, once...
    I have a friend who was given a glass of wine from a £500 bottle.
    She said it didn't taste that good and definitely not £500 of good.
    Whether it's a steak or wine though it seems at times you're just paying for the restaurant. I mean how many of us could really tell the difference between a £200 bottle of wine or a £500 bottle, I know I couldn't. Same with the steak, as long as it tastes good wouldn't care, but being told something is expensive or being in a expensive place is the thrill.
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    The only way I can afford Wagyu is to prepare it myself.
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    Found it:

    http://freedownfood.co.uk/Shop/Wagyu.aspx

    Dude that is seriously expensive beef.
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    A kind of cattle which, if you get the real beef from Kobe, Japan, yields what is considered the best beef in the world by many (myself included).
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    I think if the long pork industry were more popular we wouldn't be having as many problems with populations that can't be fed or scarcity of land. Not to mention, the carbon footprint of the human species would be dramatically reduced and the need for fancy technologies would be reduced as well. But I doubt I can ever convince anyone of getting on this wagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I think if the long pork industry were more popular we wouldn't be having as many problems with populations that can't be fed or scarcity of land. Not to mention, the carbon footprint of the human species would be dramatically reduced and the need for fancy technologies would be reduced as well. But I doubt I can ever convince anyone of getting on this wagon.
    We have some interesting conversations on graveyard shift. Just last night our conversation turned to the future of the food supply...

    My younger female co-worker (27) is convinced that the next great protein source for our species will be bugs. After that, we will be eating each other and she unequivocally remarked that she would have no problem at all eating a vegan, given that they should be among the healthier human specimens.

    When I remarked that they might be deficient in vitamin B12, she decided that it would be fine to take a supplement to compensate, lol...
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    I prefer the old fashioned burger.....don't want any super ones...eat Buffalo burgers anyhow
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    I prefer the old fashioned burger.....don't want any super ones...eat Buffalo burgers anyhow
    What if I give you a burger which tastes the same? The only difference is that it's simply grown in a lab. What if this burger has a lower environmental footprint than a regular burger? Which is part of the goal of stem cell burgers.
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    I prefer the old fashioned burger.....don't want any super ones...eat Buffalo burgers anyhow
    What if I give you a burger which tastes the same? The only difference is that it's simply grown in a lab. What if this burger has a lower environmental footprint than a regular burger? Which is part of the goal of stem cell burgers.
    Are the nutrients the same?

    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
    I know what my meat is eating and where it comes from, and how it was butchered most of the time, so to me that is a perfectly REASONABLE question! No offense intended.
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    While this development is certainly 'interesting' from a number of perspectives, it does not raise my curiosity to sample, possibly because I am not a proponent of the hamburger anyway. They never have agreed with me, combining meat and bread, and as I have almost eliminated bread from my diet that leaves just the ground beef which I won't walk a mile over broken glass for on a good day.

    There are plenty of tasty alternatives out there and I am having quite an adventure of finding and sampling them. Although I was raised in a 'bread, milk, meat and potatoes culture', I do not seem to have suffered any adverse effect from changing it up. I still enjoy meat and do not envision becoming vegetarian or vegan in the near future (read 'this lifetime') although I am of the opinion that I might choose that route over lab grown meat.

    That will leave plenty more for the rest of you.

    You're welcome.
    That you still enjoy meat is heartening. My nephew's sole protein input comes from tofu, don't know if I've spelled it correctly, much less even know WTH it really is, some kind of "soy pretein", I suppose. I implore him to check into the fact that he is protein-deficient, but to little avail. joc
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
    What can we eat, pray tell, that has absolutely no toxic materials contained within it? Today, almost nothing, unless it is super-recalcificaciounessly cleansed. THAT costs money! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
    What can we eat, pray tell, that has absolutely no toxic materials contained within it? Today, almost nothing, unless it is super-recalcificaciounessly cleansed. THAT costs money! jocular

    Good point
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
    What can we eat, pray tell, that has absolutely no toxic materials contained within it? Today, almost nothing, unless it is super-recalcificaciounessly cleansed. THAT costs money! jocular

    Good point
    I just knew you would agree, you agreeable red-headed Hungarian, you! joc
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
    What can we eat, pray tell, that has absolutely no toxic materials contained within it? Today, almost nothing, unless it is super-recalcificaciounessly cleansed. THAT costs money! jocular
    Good point
    I just knew you would agree, you agreeable red-headed Hungarian, you! joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
    What can we eat, pray tell, that has absolutely no toxic materials contained within it? Today, almost nothing, unless it is super-recalcificaciounessly cleansed. THAT costs money! jocular
    However, if we completely sterilize food it also becomes almost indigestible, if my understanding is correct.

    The advantage of eating most foods minimally processed ( a small amount of cooking makes many foods easier to digest ) is that they come with their own digestive enzymes. Remove those entirely and the human digestive system is once again left with the quandary of what to do with this 'substance'. Speaking of food...I needs to find me some as there is an arduous shift of working stock tonight. That useless young man blew another shift last night and two hours of the one previous, I was advised. In four months of working with us, he has made all of his scheduled shifts in a week only twice. He works fast, but is sloppy, makes a lot of errors that we need to correct and is demonstrably unreliable.

    I am underwhelmed, lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    Have you proven nothing toxic is in it, and that it is 100% safe to eat?
    Heck, meat isn't 100% safe to eat and there are toxic materials in burgers. The question would more accurately be - is it any worse than a regular burger?
    What can we eat, pray tell, that has absolutely no toxic materials contained within it? Today, almost nothing, unless it is super-recalcificaciounessly cleansed. THAT costs money! jocular


    However, if we completely sterilize food it also becomes almost indigestible, if my understanding is correct.

    The advantage of eating most foods minimally processed ( a small amount of cooking makes many foods easier to digest ) is that they come with their own digestive enzymes. Remove those entirely and the human digestive system is once again left with the quandary of what to do with this 'substance'. Speaking of food...I needs to find me some as there is an arduous shift of working stock tonight. That useless young man blew another shift last night and two hours of the one previous, I was advised. In four months of working with us, he has made all of his scheduled shifts in a week only twice. He works fast, but is sloppy, makes a lot of errors that we need to correct and is demonstrably unreliable.

    I am underwhelmed, lol...
    I avoid most "processed" food...cept cerviche!! *L* Love that stuff!

    Then again, I make it!

    As for the young man.....sloppy work is NOT ok! In any position! Whip him into shape m'lady!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I know what my meat is eating and where it comes from, and how it was butchered most of the time, so to me that is a perfectly REASONABLE question! No offense intended.
    That's great! But if it was cooked, it contains carcinogens (all cooked meat does) and thus contains toxic materials.

    This is an important point because there's a lot of food fear around. People who would never knowingly feed their kids food with e.coli on it do so all the time unknowingly (generally with no ill effects.) So the question is not - is it perfectly safe? It's not, and neither is organic 100% grass fed locally raised and slaughtered beef. But is it safe ENOUGH? Is it roughly as safe as other foods people eat? That's the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    I know what my meat is eating and where it comes from, and how it was butchered most of the time, so to me that is a perfectly REASONABLE question! No offense intended.
    That's great! But if it was cooked, it contains carcinogens (all cooked meat does) and thus contains toxic materials.

    This is an important point because there's a lot of food fear around. People who would never knowingly feed their kids food with e.coli on it do so all the time unknowingly (generally with no ill effects.) So the question is not - is it perfectly safe? It's not, and neither is organic 100% grass fed locally raised and slaughtered beef. But is it safe ENOUGH? Is it roughly as safe as other foods people eat? That's the question.
    Fair enough.

    Ok...I'd eat it, but it had better be good cause I'm PICKY!
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    I actually think it's a great idea, provided it proves safe, and I'd be quite happy to eat it. Also think of all the land we could save that is currently needed for cattle.
    I wonder if they can make it financially viable though, this seems like the only real concern. Just how much will it end costing compared to farm grown meat.
    Save the land and all they'll do is build more crap on it and the world will then become one huge concrete jungle...more so than it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    My younger female co-worker (27) is convinced that the next great protein source for our species will be bugs. After that, we will be eating each other and she unequivocally remarked that she would have no problem at all eating a vegan, given that they should be among the healthier human specimens.
    Hahaaaa...The Donner Party Reborn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    I know what my meat is eating and where it comes from, and how it was butchered most of the time, so to me that is a perfectly REASONABLE question! No offense intended.
    That's great! But if it was cooked, it contains carcinogens (all cooked meat does) and thus contains toxic materials.

    This is an important point because there's a lot of food fear around. People who would never knowingly feed their kids food with e.coli on it do so all the time unknowingly (generally with no ill effects.) So the question is not - is it perfectly safe? It's not, and neither is organic 100% grass fed locally raised and slaughtered beef. But is it safe ENOUGH? Is it roughly as safe as other foods people eat? That's the question.
    HOW MANY years have humans ingested foods bad for them...and still lived till 100, 50 or 60 years ago even.....some said they did it with a 5th of Vodka, or whatever...Our Bodies are pretty resilient and capable of more then most of us use them for..brain included. People need to watch what they eat, and certainly ascertain what they put in their bodies, but Jesus Christ....they also need to stop being anal about it.....what works for one doesn't for another

    A point you well made
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    My younger female co-worker (27) is convinced that the next great protein source for our species will be bugs. After that, we will be eating each other and she unequivocally remarked that she would have no problem at all eating a vegan, given that they should be among the healthier human specimens.
    Hahaaaa...The Donner Party Reborn!

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    I ain't eating bugs....I have pet already!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I ain't eating bugs....I have pet already!
    It's a cultural thing. Indigenous North Americans also used to eat various grubs and larvae until discouraged by the European arrivals. A third of the world's population already eat insects and in some countries, certain varieties are a delicacy. There are food colors made from insects and many people are already consuming these products.
    Mueller said that brands such as yogurt maker Danone and Italian alcoholic drinks maker Campari used dye from insects to colour their products.
    CANOE -- CNEWS - Daily Feature: Bugs are food of the future: UN agency

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    I ain't eating bugs....I have pet already!
    It's a cultural thing. Indigenous North Americans also used to eat various grubs and larvae until discouraged by the European arrivals. A third of the world's population already eat insects and in some countries, certain varieties are a delicacy. There are food colors made from insects and many people are already consuming these products.
    Mueller said that brands such as yogurt maker Danone and Italian alcoholic drinks maker Campari used dye from insects to colour their products.
    CANOE -- CNEWS - Daily Feature: Bugs are food of the future: UN agency

    Whew don't use either product!! *chuckle*

    I am sure, if you were starving, however, you really wouldn't care WHAT it was you were eating, as long as it was safely edible.
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    Nah, eating bugs is the future. Animals don't get close to their efficiency.

    But a moral thought about this.

    What would vegetarians think now? Is it bad to eat this kind of meat? My guess is the morally induced vegans will eat this, but the principally induced vegans won't. Just some food for thought ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Nah, eating bugs is the future. Animals don't get close to their efficiency.

    But a moral thought about this.

    What would vegetarians think now? Is it bad to eat this kind of meat? My guess is the morally induced vegans will eat this, but the principally induced vegans won't. Just some food for thought ..
    That was precisely the conversation that led to the conclusion that it would be more humane to eat the vegans and vegetarians that could not bring themselves to eat bugs than to allow them to suffer or die of starvation, with some supplementation possibly required.

    Conversations on graveyard shift get rather interesting at times. Chronic sleep deprivation allows the mind to venture beyond topics of normal social convention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Nah, eating bugs is the future. Animals don't get close to their efficiency.

    But a moral thought about this.

    What would vegetarians think now? Is it bad to eat this kind of meat? My guess is the morally induced vegans will eat this, but the principally induced vegans won't. Just some food for thought ..
    That question is well, a BUGGER!!! *ducking*
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    Nah, eating bugs is the future. Animals don't get close to their efficiency.

    But a moral thought about this.

    What would vegetarians think now? Is it bad to eat this kind of meat? My guess is the morally induced vegans will eat this, but the principally induced vegans won't. Just some food for thought ..
    That was precisely the conversation that led to the conclusion that it would be more humane to eat the vegans and vegetarians that could not bring themselves to eat bugs than to allow them to suffer or die of starvation, with some supplementation possibly required.

    Conversations on graveyard shift get rather interesting at times. Chronic sleep deprivation allows the mind to venture beyond topics of normal social convention.
    Gave me a huge laugh!
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