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    when a person dies of "old age", what really is the cause of death? how does the body decide to kill off the person at that point? it kind of seems like the body would try to keep itself alive at all times...


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    A long time ago when old people died, they said it was 'old age', with modern medicine I don't think that happens anymore, it is known however that some people just 'give up' and die for example a person may die a short while after their partner, statistics shows this is more than coincidence, and has been known for a long time. It would seem (to me therefore) that either you die of a known cause, or for some reason your conscious mind decides to power everything down, perhaps as a result of trauma.


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    Isn't that just a generalised phrase. for people who die very old? I thought it was more of a social phrase than anything else. You never hear of "old age" being the cause of death on a death certificate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Isn't that just a generalised phrase. for people who die very old? I thought it was more of a social phrase than anything else. You never hear of "old age" being the cause of death on a death certificate?
    Yes, you just wrote on the certificate, this people die , because his heart stopped. Note that i's not brighter than wroting this poeple die, because he was too old
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    ok. so if there's no obvious cause, could the body just shut itself down if it accumulates a great deal of general minor problems that are undetectable?
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    Well often times people do die when they are "ready". They ussually have many physical and/or mental problems and even though they may be able to live on they just don't. Not sure how it works exactly.

    I hear that yogies become so enlightened that the eventually just reach a point where maintaining their body is no longer of importance; even though they are often some of the healthiest people alive, they, in a sence, just let themselves die, at least physically (some die in meditation). As though they have become so skilled at living that they are ready for the next challenge.
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    that's cool... thanks for replying
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    The proper terminology is "Died of natural causes" I believe. That is what would appear on the death cert.
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    Chemboy, were you thinking when you posted this question this time?

    I am seventy nine years old and I can assure you that every part of me is struggling to last as long as is possible! Nothing is giving up!

    Have you ever heard of the old poem about the One Horse Shay? In it, this family had a horse cart they used for transportation back before cars. It was built of the finest wood and metal parts. It lasted genrations, but one day, the thing collapse right under them into a pile of scrap and dust! Everthing had lasted equally long! It had died all at once!

    In my case, I am certain one thing will give out first! I just don't know what one it will be . . .

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    In a healthy person I think the usual trend is that things start to require more maintenance untill you can't keep up. Something big happens and then you are ready. Ha... you are way older than me, what do I know.:wink:

    That's just how my last bicycle broke down. Haven't had one break down since though (at least not perminantly).
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    In my case, I am certain one thing will give out first! I just don't know what one it will be . . .
    I am not a pathologist, but I think it will be the heart. Unless you live in an urban area, in which case it will be the lungs.

    As Megabrain suggested, because of the advances in medicine, the specific cause of death is usually known, often some type of major organ failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    Chemboy, were you thinking when you posted this question this time?

    I am seventy nine years old and I can assure you that every part of me is struggling to last as long as is possible! Nothing is giving up!

    Have you ever heard of the old poem about the One Horse Shay? In it, this family had a horse cart they used for transportation back before cars. It was built of the finest wood and metal parts. It lasted genrations, but one day, the thing collapse right under them into a pile of scrap and dust! Everthing had lasted equally long! It had died all at once!

    In my case, I am certain one thing will give out first! I just don't know what one it will be . . .

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    if there is any commonality to folks that live longer, it has to be in desire.
    79 is really no longer all that old but the folks some years older all seem to have a desire even if self induced purpose.

    as suggested the one thing that gets most folks over 70 is the heart. even in those that lose their spouse. you would think my ancestry was born with bad hearts since its a string of cause for death. the problem is they have an average life span of 88+. coincidentally they all ate red meat and smoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j
    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    In my case, I am certain one thing will give out first! I just don't know what one it will be . . .
    I am not a pathologist, but I think it will be the heart. Unless you live in an urban area, in which case it will be the lungs.

    As Megabrain suggested, because of the advances in medicine, the specific cause of death is usually known, often some type of major organ failure.
    Every death is caused by heart-failure, doesnt matter whether is it lung to fail fail first or brain or heart itself. The heart is pumping blood, to all of the body, and caries oxygen. When lungs fail, the heart fail. When brain fails, the heart fail. When there is low amount of blood, again, heart will be the next organ to fail, and this is the cause of immediate death. It is heart, who is told to be the "center" of body in nonmedical audience. We know, that is is not true, but is this situation it makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquil
    Every death is caused by heart-failure, doesnt matter whether is it lung to fail fail first or brain or heart itself. The heart is pumping blood, to all of the body, and caries oxygen. When lungs fail, the heart fail. When brain fails, the heart fail. When there is low amount of blood, again, heart will be the next organ to fail, and this is the cause of immediate death. It is heart, who is told to be the "center" of body in nonmedical audience. We know, that is is not true, but is this situation it makes sense.
    Rubbish! complete and utter Garbage!

    Every death may lead eventually to heart failure as it leads to brain death, kidney death etc etc.

    THe heart may be a victim but not the cause... THink about it.
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    Megabrain over does it, but we can make a distinction between the cause and the immediate cause of death. Also, consider that the death of the brain is the real death. The heart can stop and be re-started. Then, the heart is working again, for example, but the brain may be dead. When the brain is dead, you are really dead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquil
    Every death is caused by heart-failure, doesnt matter whether is it lung to fail fail first or brain or heart itself. The heart is pumping blood, to all of the body, and caries oxygen. When lungs fail, the heart fail. When brain fails, the heart fail. When there is low amount of blood, again, heart will be the next organ to fail, and this is the cause of immediate death. It is heart, who is told to be the "center" of body in nonmedical audience. We know, that is is not true, but is this situation it makes sense.

    Every death may lead eventually to heart failure as it leads to brain death, kidney death etc etc.

    THe heart may be a victim but not the cause... THink about it.
    You probably havent understood me. When talking about Natural death: How could one live without pumping heart? Always the immediate cause of death is that of heart. Yes, youre right that diseases can and always are affecting many other organs, but the heart is the last one (again when talking of natural death, not trauma) to be aflicted. But my English is not good enough, so probably I used wrong words... (i apologize)
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    The phrase 'Natural death' is one you have made up, and applied your own definition to. Others are trying to point out the heart is not always the 'cause' of death where no prematurity is imposed by direct, immediate, external events.

    Would you say an aortic aneurysm was caused by the heart - it's certainly a killer, [Took my dear ol dad it did, one minute he was there the next minute 'puff']

    Let me also point out two further things. Not every living organism on earth has a heart, in fact the majority of organisms do not!

    Humans can survive without a natural heart. Inert artifical hearts have been shown to function for periods of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    The phrase 'Natural death' is one you have made up, and applied your own definition to. Others are trying to point out the heart is not always the 'cause' of death where no prematurity is imposed by direct, immediate, external events.

    Would you say an aortic aneurysm was caused by the heart - it's certainly a killer, [Took my dear ol dad it did, one minute he was there the next minute 'puff']

    Let me also point out two further things. Not every living organism on earth has a heart, in fact the majority of organisms do not!

    Humans can survive without a natural heart. Inert artifical hearts have been shown to function for periods of time.
    Natural death is described as death caused by disease or old age rather than by an act of violence or an accident. I aortic aneurism, the high BP could be the cause in the presence of other dz. But, I just wanted to say, that the heart is the last afflicted. In case of humans, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Not every living organism on earth has a heart, in fact the majority of organisms do not!
    While being in the medicinal room, I would rather talk about the humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Humans can survive without a natural heart. Inert artifical hearts have been shown to function for periods of time.
    Artificial heart? does it belong to natural aging? It would be just treatment, isnt it?

    I would not say, I disagree with your posts, but I think somtimes you critisize my posts in a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    Megabrain over does it, but we can make a distinction between the cause and the immediate cause of death. Also, consider that the death of the brain is the real death. The heart can stop and be re-started. Then, the heart is working again, for example, but the brain may be dead. When the brain is dead, you are really dead!

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    I would like to start a new thread with this...

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewt...?p=52725#52725
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    I am not a pathologist, but I think it will be the heart. Unless you live in an urban area, in which case it will be the lungs.

    As Megabrain suggested, because of the advances in medicine, the specific cause of death is usually known, often some type of major organ failure.
    I think this is the best answer in this thread. Failure of a major organ should be the reason in my opinion.
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