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    Rush Limbaugh, recently told his listeners he hears the music, melody and tones of songs that he knew before he lost hearing. His implant allows that and works with his brain to produce that affect. However if he has no memory of a song he hears no melody, no instruments or words and only a grinding noise.

    If this is a correct analysis and the brains memory is being tapped, couldn't the reverse be applied and memory be introduced to the brain?
    To extend that, would it be possible to extract memory from the brain considering the speeds the brain and an accompanying computer should have and whether the person is conscious or not?


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    Beethoven lost his hearing, and made some of it's best work at this time, like the ninth symphony.
    All the music was within his head. That's said, it was troublesome for him to direct an orchestra : no feedback

    I don't see how memory can be introduced via the brain otherwise than the natural way.
    Memory is a pattern dealing with neurologic circuits. Basically the neurons are changed and built new connections. Importing memory, will mean that you will able to change the neurons connections (and they are organic) and that you will know what kind of connection you will have to manage at what place.
    There is a very long way to do that.

    According many specialist, the best way to import memory, will to make a cerebral implant of a computer. The problem will be the interconnection between the computer and your brain, but It will allow you direct connection to a huge bank of memory, or raw power computing. It's also science fiction but less unlikely :-D


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    the same implant in Limbaugh's head, has been installed in def from birth people with very little success. these people hear noise but that noise is linked to other forms of communication (sign language etc) and that particular noise is heard, not the words. this system is also dependent on time lost, that is the longer without hearing the less effective.

    certainly the people that developed this system, have thought about a connection to brain reception of material and presume if possible would perfect it. my objective is some notion of how this could be possible since i can't find one or imagine one. however thanks for input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    the same implant in Limbaugh's head, has been installed in def from birth people with very little success. these people hear noise but that noise is linked to other forms of communication (sign language etc) and that particular noise is heard, not the words. this system is also dependent on time lost, that is the longer without hearing the less effective.

    certainly the people that developed this system, have thought about a connection to brain reception of material and presume if possible would perfect it. my objective is some notion of how this could be possible since i can't find one or imagine one. however thanks for input.
    Without use, the brain lose it's circuitry. Many scientifical studies have found that when you forgot to use some functions : seeing, moving, speaking, hearing ... the particular aera of the brain in charge of this particular function is switching off. It's like you lose the circuitry.

    For the hearing, the device is not sophisticated enough to learn the normal hearing, but allow someone who learned to feed it's hearing brain circuitry.
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    It has mostly allready been said, but I think it's impossible to implant memory.

    What we're learning to do at the moment (only scratching the surface though) is to activate what is allready present in the brain. Actively creating something new in the brain with implants would require complete knowledge of neuron connections and their functions (which we can't check well enough), and replicating them on a nano-scale. This is made even more difficult by the fact that if you look closely enough everyone's brain is different, even at young age.
    It's like trying to make changes in the code of a software program while you don't know how the program works, while you have no interface (like making changes to a harddisk with a screwdriver :wink: ) and you don't know where the program is located on that harddisk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    It has mostly allready been said, but I think it's impossible to implant memory.

    What we're learning to do at the moment (only scratching the surface though) is to activate what is allready present in the brain. Actively creating something new in the brain with implants would require complete knowledge of neuron connections and their functions (which we can't check well enough), and replicating them on a nano-scale. This is made even more difficult by the fact that if you look closely enough everyone's brain is different, even at young age.
    It's like trying to make changes in the code of a software program while you don't know how the program works, while you have no interface (like making changes to a harddisk with a screwdriver :wink: ) and you don't know where the program is located on that harddisk
    first i don't disagree; an hypnosis can put some rather complicated commands into the brain of the un or semi conscious brain. thoughts even educational material can be learned by a few while sleeping and a recording is played. many times a dream Ive had plays into my conscious thought. likewise i can plant a thought, dream that thought and remember both the next morning. (even with other dreams) these things tell me it may be possible someday. the advent of the computer also fast, is capable of distinguishing and may be used to implant thought but through
    additional equipment.

    i have to restate though, the folks involved with hearing implants are learned people, far beyond me and they have no future programs with this in mind. and yes we really don't understand the brain all that well.
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    It's true that if parts of the brain are in a lower level of consciousness (in hypnosis or sleep), new information can be 'inserted' quite easily. But this goes through the brain's normal 'interface': instead of creating new neuron pathways, you use the brain's normal methods for acquiring new information. It's the brain that creates neuron connection during hypnosis. So if the brain is no longer able to do that itself (as in hearing functions of deaf people's brains), then there's nothing we can do.
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