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    Vegetable Psychology 101 -- Interesting idea and some have posted how they have had to change their diets to become healthy, although no vegetables. Would like to hear other readers comments.

    Vegetables Diagnosis: Diet


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    I don't care how vegetables feel about being eaten.


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    Inuit, or Eskimo consume a diet of foods that are fished, hunted, and gathered locally. This may include walrus, Ringed Seal, Bearded Seal, beluga whale, caribou, polar bear, muskoxen, birds (including their eggs) and fish. While it is not possible to cultivate plants for food in the Arctic, the Inuit have traditionally gathered those that are naturally available. Grasses, tubers, roots, stems, berries, fireweed and seaweed (kuanniq or edible seaweed) were collected and preserved depending on the season and the location.

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    I had recurrent treatment-resistant depression my whole adult life...Three years ago I cut vegetables out of my diet, and started eating only meat. This relieved my symptoms within a couple of weeks

    I couldn't be bothered to read the critique of plant matter (I plan to continue consuming it in vast quantities), but some of the comments that the author takes seriously are laughably stupid. No one worth their weight in cauliflower would respond to such nonsense with...

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    That is a very interesting read at the link you have posted, Saddlebum. Interesting forum name you sport as well. May I assume you know the difference between alfalfa and road apples?

    I hope you do not object to my posting this song by The Arrogant Worms, Carrot Juice Is Murder, because I find it both intriguing and hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I had recurrent treatment-resistant depression my whole adult life...Three years ago I cut vegetables out of my diet, and started eating only meat. This relieved my symptoms within a couple of weeks

    I couldn't be bothered to read the critique of plant matter (I plan to continue consuming it in vast quantities), but some of the comments that the author takes seriously are laughably stupid. No one worth their weight in cauliflower would respond to such nonsense with...

    Thank you so much for sharing your fascinating and inspiring story with us.
    Agreed. If anything, an exclusively carnivorous diet would accentuate depression symptoms. Not to mention the simple health risks of an all-meat diet.
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    You people are nuts. Vegetables are what food eats.
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    Interestingly, we seem to be the only species that has conflicted ideas about what we should be eating. Every other species seems to have an inherent or emulated preference for beneficial foods with a fall back position for foods that can and will be eaten during times of duress.

    I have been reading on the link in the OP for a couple of hours now and find it very interesting indeed. The one point that keeps coming through on many of the well defined sections is that there really is no conclusive evidence for many of our dietary assumptions and current trends. I may have more to contribute after I have done further reading...
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    Scheherazade,

    There's not a lot of difference between alfalfa and road apples, one is raw and the other has been through a food processor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Interestingly, we seem to be the only species that has conflicted ideas about what we should be eating. Every other species seems to have an inherent or emulated preference for beneficial foods with a fall back position for foods that can and will be eaten during times of duress.
    Most other animals do not examine or question their diets, nor investigate whether a dietary change will result in greater longevity.
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    I have been reading on the link in the OP for a couple of hours now and find it very interesting indeed. The one point that keeps coming through on many of the well defined sections is that there really is no conclusive evidence for many of our dietary assumptions and current trends. I may have more to contribute after I have done further reading...
    Yeah, I think it's all hocus pocus, myself...
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    I think obsessing over what one should or shouldn't eat in regards to what is moral or ethical can cause anxiety and depression. Some things just should not be so damned academic. Eat what you like and know isn't poison and isn't illegal to kill and eat.

    For me not knowing IF I will get to eat is what causes me the most anxiety/depression. Not what it will be.

    If eating chocolate makes you feel good, have some chocolate.
    If you are allergic to chocolate, don't eat it.

    In terms of food, among many other environmental needs of the human body and psyche, variety seems to be the winning outcome. If you do any one thing too long without variation, you will likely be over doing one thing and neglecting something else. But that isn't always the case. My mom benefited for a while being on a strictly red meat diet. I don't think she kept it up though. The thing is we all have different bodies with different adaptations to the climate and lifestyle we have carved out for our selves. If someone lives in a cold place they will likely need to eat more calories and bulk up a layer of their own blubber so to speak. If they live on the savannah, they should probably eat light foods that won't weigh them down so they can run from lions and not die of heat exhaustion.

    There is no cookie cutter one size fits all diet. I will never understand why when people find something that works for them personally, they feel the need to treat it like a new religion and declare that their way is the best way for everyone.

    I am not meaning to say that this is the intention of the OP. Honestly its a nice break from the usual touting of "meat eaters are evil" attitude that is the more frequent food ideology that gets promoted around the interwebs these days.
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    Inuits got away with their all meat diet because they ate carnivores like seals. While beef, and the meat from other vegetarian species contains no vitamin C, the flesh of carnivores has to make its own vitamin C. Thus, eating seal meat supplies this vitamin.

    Kinda like what Homer Simpson said. "I am a vegetarian. Cows eat vegetables. I eat cows."
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Inuits got away with their all meat diet because they ate carnivores like seals. While beef, and the meat from other vegetarian species contains no vitamin C, the flesh of carnivores has to make its own vitamin C. Thus, eating seal meat supplies this vitamin.

    Kinda like what Homer Simpson said. "I am a vegetarian. Cows eat vegetables. I eat cows."
    The liver of cows and other ungulates contains some vitamin C, (30-36mg/100 gr) and the Inuits as well as the indigenous First Nations peoples traditionally utilized all parts of the animal (fresh liver is greatly enjoyed).
    Cooking was of much shorter duration as well as lower cooking temperatures used and so more of the vitamin C would survive the cooking process. They also ate much of their diet raw or dried without excessive heat.

    I worked for 3 years with a young man whose mother is Inuit. I was hoping to get to try some whale meat after he described the taste and texture but the opportunity did not present that year.
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    I am reading the section on meat at present and found this comparison chart rather interesting.



    Meats Diagnosis: Diet
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I am reading the section on meat at present and found this comparison chart rather interesting.
    All that shows is that you should eat a balanced mixed diet and not take advice from loonies on the web who admit they have no scientific basis for their drivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post

    All that shows is that you should eat a balanced mixed diet and not take advice from loonies on the web who admit they have no scientific basis for their drivel.
    Your point is well taken. I surely will not take any advice from you, based upon your own warning.

    There is a lot of detailed information and references at the link posted by the OP. Some of the most interesting stuff I have come across in many years. So far, I have not found the proponent attempting to sell me anything and that fact alone is refreshing.
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    I am suspicious of someone who has no qualifications in the subject they write about, who uses phrases like " the truth about nutrition science" and on every topic says, "there is no scientific evidence so believe what I say instead of the experts in the field".

    I surely will not take any advice from you, based upon your own warning.
    Quite right too.

    There is a lot of detailed information and references at the link posted by the OP
    There are no references on the page linked on the OP. There are reference on some of the other pages, though.
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    That table you posted on nutrients in plant or animal food is clearly not to be trusted. Couple of points.
    1. It says only 10 mg per day of vitamin C is needed. Not true. For good health, 50 to 100 mgs per day is needed, depending on the individual.

    2. Vitamin D ....The table says not found in plant food, implying animal food is the best source. In fact, few animal foods supply sufficient. Most of our vitamin D is manufactured in our skin under sunlight

    3. Vitamin B12 is found in mushrooms, which is normally classified as plant food.

    4. While what it says about iron is correct on the surface, there are many plant foods with lots of iron, and those plant foods may be sufficient to supply 100% of iron needed.

    I think the table is dishonest, and not scientifically accurate. Someone had an agenda...
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
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    That table you posted on nutrients in plant or animal food is clearly not to be trusted. Couple of points.
    1. It says only 10 mg per day of vitamin C is needed. Not true. For good health, 50 to 100 mgs per day is needed, depending on the individual.

    2. Vitamin D ....The table says not found in plant food, implying animal food is the best source. In fact, few animal foods supply sufficient. Most of our vitamin D is manufactured in our skin under sunlight

    I think the table is dishonest, and not scientifically accurate. Someone had an agenda...
    The meat industry comes to mind. It's funny, with all the pro vegan anti meat propaganda verses the all meat anti vegan propaganda it really does make you wonder just how difficult it is for agriculture business to compete that the two sides resort to what looks a lot like political mudslinging.
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    I have already posted this somewhere else but I am on a ketogenic diet for health reasons but my diet has less veg than most standard ketogenic diets. These diets have proven efficacy for intractable epilepsy (Ketogenic diet for the treatment of refractory epilepsy in children: a systematic review of efficacy F Lefevre, N Aronson - Pediatrics, 2000 - pediatricsdigest.mobi) - just use Google scholar and search "ketogenic diet epilepsy" and you will find a wealth of peer reviewed published info on its efficacy. The main difficulty people have is with sticking with it - just to give you some idea why its hard.....

    For the last 3 years my diet has consisted of 1 3 egg cheese omelette and 2 rashers of bacon for breakfast and then lunch and dinner consists of one bowl of stew either beef, lamb or a poultry dish and I slow cook them with root vegetables and herbs. No salt, no stock cubes, no nothing. Occasionally (once or twice a month) I have a handful of berries, some white rice, ghee, corn crackers with cheese and olives. I'm not a loon - deviation from this puts my health at stake although I will eat a biscuit or a bit of cake once in a while if occasion demands and I do throw in fish from time to time.

    Our problem is that eating is no longer a survival thing, its a social thing and we eat to get full so that we don't have to bother with our insides cos we have work to do and people to meet and children to look after etc etc etc. Its one or the other - either our eating is made easier for us or our social lives are - we don't have time to go fishing/hunting/gardening for dinner any more. Our biggest mistake was mixing sugars and fats because it tastes soooooo gooooood yum. But you never see it in nature - ever and that suggests its because they don't mix, at all.

    To my mind eating could not have been as complicated as we make it out to be today for our ancestors or we simply wouldn't be here. There are many factors that contrived to make our ancestors lives shorter than they are today and not all of it was to do with diet, so we have to assume that eating a relatively large variety of animals who had eaten an even larger variety of vegetation would supply us with most of our dietary needs (plus don't forget they wouldn't have been squeamish about innards and blood and fatty bits, if it could be eaten it was so they had a much better nutrient intake than we get from modern meats) would have fulfilled most of our dietary needs.

    I think she has a lot of valid things to say I'm just not sure the way she has said it will appeal to a lot of people. Vegetable psych 101? That even made me go
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    I don't seem able to edit ...... but I just wanted to add I'm not affiliated with the meat industry or have any political agenda....just keeping myself well.
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    I eat what I like and like what I eat be it vegies or meat I think they are all neat.
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    The 'ideal' diet for everyone would be the one that advocates all of their personal preferences, without exceptions or limits.

    I find it quite interesting by what means it is determined that some foods are problematical and then, before long, they are vindicated of their 'bad' status and are suddenly back in public favor. There seems to be as much politics as science behind the nutritional debate. For all that I find much of the discussion 'interesting', I can't think of anything that has actually moved me to change my eating habits save my own curiosity about such matters.

    The final determination is made based on how I actually feel after ingesting any food. Once one actually starts to keep track of what they eat and observes any changes in their personal energy and attitude, some interesting correlations may crop up. I do find it interesting that I have a lot less aches and pains than before, given that I am now two decades older and have physically pushed the limits all of my life (Yukon Quest, 1000 miles by dogsled 3 times etc.).

    Working in the grocery store has been an absolute riot as I actually get paid to research my favorite topic, reading the labels on all new products that arrive at the store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I find it quite interesting by what means it is determined that some foods are problematical and then, before long, they are vindicated of their 'bad' status and are suddenly back in public favor.
    Mainly bad journalism, I suspect.

    ("Bad" is probably being generous.)
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