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    I've read up briefly on this particular natural plant. Does it function in a similar manner as prescribed anti-depressants? Would it be unsafe or counterproductive to mix this with an SSRI "Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor"? Thanks.


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    I don't know how the active ingredient(s) function but I do know that it can have very serious interactions with some other drugs (and if an inappropriate dose is taken).


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    My doctors have always urged me not to take saint johns wort while taking any other anti depressant. You have to be very careful about taking herbal supplements when on any prescription medication. Herbal supplements are not tested by the FDA to see if they actually do what the labels claim they do and they are not tested for drug interactions. So I wouldn't advise taking any supplements without discussing it with your doctor first or at least doing a lot of independent research about the herbs.
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    Thanks to both of you, I didn't plan to take it with SSRI's, but thought about using it prior to the date I get the prescription.
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    I have known lots of people who tried st johns wort before giving in to prescription meds as well as those who never got prescriptions issued. The only people that have ever told me it was effective were people who I knew to be hypochondriacs.

    Others said there was no noticeable improvements though some said they had nightmares while using it. I wouldn't say it would count as a viable study given the small number of people that I talked to about it (about 15-20).

    Just be careful with that stuff. It works differently with every person just like with any medication. Experimenting with your brain is rarely a good idea.
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    There has been some decent research on this showing that it does work better than placebo for quite specific categories of patients. It's not a universal fix and it's strongly contra-indicated for other groups of patients. It's contra-indicated for everyone who's taking any other psycho-active preparation.

    It's a very bad idea to take it without knowing which group you might be in.
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    I wouldn't take anything that was made out of some holy mans warts.
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    depression is a killer with poor medical effectiveness
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    I've read up briefly on this particular natural plant. Does it function in a similar manner as prescribed anti-depressants? Would it be unsafe or counterproductive to mix this with an SSRI "Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor"? Thanks.
    It functions exactly like an SSRI, and that is why you should not take it if you are taking prescription SSRI's.
    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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    Among other things, it interferes with oral contraceptives. A few years from now, your kid might be saying :"I was a St. Johns Wort baby."
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Among other things, it interferes with oral contraceptives. A few years from now, your kid might be saying :"I was a St. Johns Wort baby."
    I'm surprised NF hasn't seen that post and formulated a suitable joke from it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    Among other things, it interferes with oral contraceptives. A few years from now, your kid might be saying :"I was a St. Johns Wort baby."
    I'm surprised NF hasn't seen that post and formulated a suitable joke from it yet.
    Hey, I plead no contest. I was working hard, at the time he posted that. Although... it can be refreshing to do work that isn't on the damned computer for a change...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Among other things, it interferes with oral contraceptives. A few years from now, your kid might be saying :"I was a St. Johns Wort baby."
    I'm surprised NF hasn't seen that post and formulated a suitable joke from it yet.
    I was making jokes but didn't think they were pg enough to post on the forum.
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    censorship is the greatest of evils
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    censorship is the greatest of evils
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    If I did that I may not be allowed to hang out here any longer lol.
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    censorship is the greatest of evils
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    self censorship is the worst of all

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    Well. People like this better learn to cook, because they'll not be invited to too many dinners or parties.
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    ever hear of "hanging a spider"?

    When i feel the need to incorporate an expletive into whatever it is that I am keyboarding to y'all, I normally run several together thusly ; jesusfuckingchrist whatinhelliswrong with you, normally, however I find the parenthetical (deleted expletives) quite adaquate.

    Long ago and far away, I quit taking the thorazine, stelazine, mellaril, elavil, etc...etc... and "let it all hang out" and told the army shrink just exactly how i felt.
    "Pull the stops out and let 'er rip"...........of all the scenarios I had envisioned following that, one that i had never contemplated, even in my wildest guess, was what happened next.

    the archtypical: "Tell me what you're thinking", or "Tell me how you really feel".
    Opens up levels of understanding beyond the mere words. (even dumb or off color jokes are windows unto the soul-if you will)

    so
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    ever hear of "hanging a spider"?

    When i feel the need to incorporate an expletive into whatever it is that I am keyboarding to y'all, I normally run several together thusly ; jesusfuckingchrist whatinhelliswrong with you, normally, however I find the parenthetical (deleted expletives) quite adaquate.

    Long ago and far away, I quit taking the thorazine, stelazine, mellaril, elavil, etc...etc... and "let it all hang out" and told the army shrink just exactly how i felt.
    "Pull the stops out and let 'er rip"...........of all the scenarios I had envisioned following that, one that i had never contemplated, even in my wildest guess, was what happened next.

    the archtypical: "Tell me what you're thinking", or "Tell me how you really feel".
    Opens up levels of understanding beyond the mere words. (even dumb or off color jokes are windows unto the soul-if you will)

    so
    let 'er rip
    I must be a very dumb person.


    I have no clue what you just said.

    I have some guesses, but I don't like them. It appears as though you imply medications for brain = bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    ever hear of "hanging a spider"?

    When i feel the need to incorporate an expletive into whatever it is that I am keyboarding to y'all, I normally run several together thusly ; jesusfuckingchrist whatinhelliswrong with you, normally, however I find the parenthetical (deleted expletives) quite adaquate.

    Long ago and far away, I quit taking the thorazine, stelazine, mellaril, elavil, etc...etc... and "let it all hang out" and told the army shrink just exactly how i felt.
    "Pull the stops out and let 'er rip"...........of all the scenarios I had envisioned following that, one that i had never contemplated, even in my wildest guess, was what happened next.

    the archtypical: "Tell me what you're thinking", or "Tell me how you really feel".
    Opens up levels of understanding beyond the mere words. (even dumb or off color jokes are windows unto the soul-if you will)

    so
    let 'er rip
    but I don't have a soul. So those windows would serve no purpose but to air out an empty room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    . It appears as though you imply medications for brain = bad.
    on a subjective level
    fersure dadio

    But maybe it wasn't the drugs, maybe it was the ignorance/arrogance of the prescriber. Some of those clowns should take their own medicine for awhile before continuing in their reckless abandon.
    The combinations helped me reach a fugue state, wherein all anxiety, desire, fear, regret, anticipation vanished(a crash course in zen if you will)
    Though, I never did the thorazine shuffle, I pitched the glasses and focused on the arms length universe.

    ..........................
    "soul" is just another word, try psyche, or any other word you think apropos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    . It appears as though you imply medications for brain = bad.
    on a subjective level
    fersure dadio

    But maybe it wasn't the drugs, maybe it was the ignorance/arrogance of the prescriber. Some of those clowns should take their own medicine for awhile before continuing in their reckless abandon.
    The combinations helped me reach a fugue state, wherein all anxiety, desire, fear, regret, anticipation vanished(a crash course in zen if you will)
    Though, I never did the thorazine shuffle, I pitched the glasses and focused on the arms length universe.

    ..........................
    "soul" is just another word, try psyche, or any other word you think apropos.
    I want the meds they had put you on. lack of fear, desire, regret ... sounds like peace to me.
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    be careful what you wish for.

    The damned drugs almost killed me and turned me into "the walking dead"
    Nice to evade the double bind in which I had found myself, but not a very rich nor full life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    But maybe it wasn't the drugs, maybe it was the ignorance/arrogance of the prescriber. Some of those clowns should take their own medicine for awhile before continuing in their reckless abandon.
    Fersure, Sonny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    be careful what you wish for.

    The damned drugs almost killed me and turned me into "the walking dead"
    Nice to evade the double bind in which I had found myself, but not a very rich nor full life.
    I could see myself as a functional zombie ...
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