Thread: The plan to live till ~800 years old.

Will it work?

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First of all, is this a crackpot website?
if it is, tell me please, or else, read on...

Notice here, that about when about half of the current oxygen level, (about 10%), lifespan of human beings goes up to 800 years old.

so if i wear an atmosphere regulating mask where ever i go,(and im planning to, at about 5% oxygen level, but of course i will slowly reduce it from 20% to 5% to let my lungs adapt) will i live up to 800 years old?

assume i die of old age, and eat and excercise healthily

First of all, is this a crackpot website?

Yes.

Will it work?

NO.

Entirely crackpot.
I can't believe you have to ask about the diagrams. Using the Bible as a source for claims of life span?
As for the other, Grinstein is a fraud. His "PhD" was apparently bought and the "Nutritional Medicine Research" is, also apparently, run from his own home. He has no publications to his name, no known links to actual medical practitioners or research but, in his "favour", has apparent links to people promoting ID in the US.

In short, back away slowly, don't make eye contact and keep your hand on your wallet.

Oh God.. I can't believe people actually buy this stuff.

Nevertheless, so far, at the current economical and environmental conditions.. The chances of you living up to 500 is 99.9999999% to be 0%.. Not taking about 800 which is impossible of the impossible. lol

Taking in consideration that most human's body began to weaken at the age of +50 and some cases higher, living up to 800 would be much worse.. Living up to 200 might metaphorically paralyze you due to the fact that your body doesn't have the capability to move it's self not considering the fact that your brain cells wouldn't function correctly.. I'd suggest you just stick to living your life at best and not caring about living for how much..

Remember, quality not quantity.

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Remember, quality not quantity.

For this line...

Quality of life trumps quantity of life, everytime.

I'm not entirely sure that I could actually live with myself for 800 years.

How do you know he is a fraud and these research are frauds?

i searched google for a whole hour and nothing found about him being a scam/fraud/crackpotter

if he is one, lots of scam-detecting websites will list him there.

Perhaps you should do a google search on him being credible instead.

well, some other people with P.h.D. who do experiments dont get credit too.

so, how do we know his not a scam/fraud/crackpotter?

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Taking in consideration that most human's body began to weaken at the age of +50 and some cases higher, living up to 800 would be much worse.. Living up to 200 might metaphorically paralyze you due to the fact that your body doesn't have the capability to move it's self not considering the fact that your brain cells wouldn't function correctly..

Well then, if i started this plan before my body starts ageing, my body would start ageing when i get to about 300. it would work, right?

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

Well then, if i started this plan before my body starts ageing, my body would start ageing when i get to about 300. it would work, right?

You start aging immediately. You cannot develop without aging.

there's: growing up
and there's: growing old.

im talking about starting this plan before i start: growing old.

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

How do you know he is a fraud and these research are frauds?

Hmm:
but to date have not seen any published research by him. He cites the work of others; but there is no mention of any studies of his own.
Nutritional Medicine Research appears to be run from his home. I am wondering whether this person is for real because I found a reference to his PhD on a web site of a diploma mill agent.

i searched google for a whole hour and nothing found about him being a scam/fraud/crackpotter

A whole hour!
Those two links took me less than 5 minutes - they're BOTH on the very first page of a Google search for "John Grinstein".

Hey, notice
Yahoo! GroupsThat it was in 2004,

he published a book in 2010
Atmospheric Oxygen Modulator Of Human Life Span: A Theory of Ageing: John E. Grinstein B. PhD: 9781452836041: Amazon.com: Booksso does it answer ur question lol

Not quite.
When scientists talk about publishing they mean, specifically, peer-reviewed scientific papers.
ANYONE can write a book and get it published - the fact that a book is in publication has nothing at all to do with its validity, its scientific (or otherwise) content or the credentials of the author.

Like I said, anyone who uses the Bible as a source for "factual" evidence places themselves firmly in the crackpot camp.

What couldn't you do or say in the first 100?

I would not be able to observe how the technological age of humanity would advance. thats one of the biggest few things i wanna live for 800 years for

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

I would not be able to observe how the technological age of humanity would advance. thats one of the biggest few things i wanna live for 800 years for

Who even guarantees you'd biologically make it up to 300? To me, it sounds impossible, who even guarantees you'd not biologically die before at least 500, disease maybe? Your immune system wouldn't even be able to prevent anything since it's too old.. If you want to live up to 800, you're gonna have a bad time.

The rise in oxygen in the atmosphere caused by the appearance of photosynthetic algae happened long before there were any people on Earth.

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

The rise in oxygen in the atmosphere caused by the appearance of photosynthetic algae happened long before there were any people on Earth.

Well plants date much older than animals as I recall, were they the first form of complex life on Earth?

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

I would not be able to observe how the technological age of humanity would advance. thats one of the biggest few things i wanna live for 800 years for

Who even guarantees you'd biologically make it up to 300? To me, it sounds impossible, who even guarantees you'd not biologically die before at least 500, disease maybe? Your immune system wouldn't even be able to prevent anything since it's too old.. If you want to live up to 800, you're gonna have a bad time.

Well, simple. Science's medical advancement would solve that problem

even your signature says it:
"The future belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X.

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

I would not be able to observe how the technological age of humanity would advance. thats one of the biggest few things i wanna live for 800 years for

Who even guarantees you'd biologically make it up to 300? To me, it sounds impossible, who even guarantees you'd not biologically die before at least 500, disease maybe? Your immune system wouldn't even be able to prevent anything since it's too old.. If you want to live up to 800, you're gonna have a bad time.

Well, simple. Science's medical advancement would solve that problemeven your signature says it: "The future belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X.

What about your biological death? Medical advancement can't prevent that.. my quote obviously doesn't believe in the fact that someone is going to live up until his 800's

living in low oxygen concentration would bring me to 800

but im still researching if it really works*

Science's medical advancement would solve that problem

even your signature says it:
"The future belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X.

And who will your friends be? What about your partner, your family? What will interest or entertain you? How many people you've known will have died by then? You'd be consumed with accumulated grief apart from any other consideration.

It's not much of a life if you're not envisaging anything that resembles living a full life.

no. i will ask my spouse to undergo this project too.

other than that, im not really attached to my extended relatives.

i have a small family, and my younger brother says he will try my project too, if my research goes well, he is 2 years younger than me

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

no. i will ask my spouse to undergo this project too.

other than that, im not really attached to my extended relatives.

i have a small family, and my younger brother says he will try my project too, if my research goes well, he is 2 years younger than me

Might wanna line up a largish group of women for the project in case that first spouse tires of the marriage after the 70 year itch and trades you in for a younger model.

why would you want to live that long?

unless i had some superhuman powers like a vampire or something I wouldn't want to live that long. Hell I intend to leave when I'm 70. At the latest. And I already have established volunteers to help make sure I don't stick around longer than that.

Brings to mind a quote from Mae West.

You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.

Considering that many people in industrialised countries will live to 100+, I'd make the most of those hundred years. Trying to eke them out to multiple centuries makes me think of Scrooge constantly counting money in his vault, but never using the money either selfishly or generously to give himself or anyone else any pleasure or contentment.

Originally Posted by adelady

Brings to mind a quote from Mae West.

You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.

Considering that many people in industrialised countries will live to 100+, I'd make the most of those hundred years. Trying to eke them out to multiple centuries makes me think of Scrooge constantly counting money in his vault, but never using the money either selfishly or generously to give himself or anyone else any pleasure or contentment.

I agree, that's why i intend to recycle myself once I have outlived my usefulness to society. I don't know why anyone would want to be around long enough to become a burden rather than a resource. That being said, I intend to make sure my usefulness lasts as long as possible, but eventually the inevitable will occur and I will no longer be of any use to anyone other than fertilizer companies and maybe medical research.

I was just gonna have you stuffed...

Originally Posted by Neverfly

I was just gonna have you stuffed...

Oh I like that idea. that sounds real nice.

Not that it will ever happen, but I would love to live to be 800 or more. It would be amazing to be able to witness all the changes that take place in that time. Imagine if someone from 800 years ago could take a time machine to the present, how awesome it would be for them. Well, technology is advancing at a much faster rate now. It would be incredible to witness it all. 70 isn't that old, by the way. You can be 70, or older, and in kick ass shape.

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

Not that it will ever happen, but I would love to live to be 800 or more. It would be amazing to be able to witness all the changes that take place in that time. Imagine if someone from 800 years ago could take a time machine to the present, how awesome it would be for them. Well, technology is advancing at a much faster rate now. It would be incredible to witness it all. 70 isn't that old, by the way. You can be 70, or older, and in kick ass shape.

Yeaaaaaaaaa.. Because the oldest living woman who is aged at 115 years looks like this. Oldest living woman - Google Images

Though some of those who live +100 tend to look good, their body function isn't any better nor would it be good in their future.. I'd love to live up to 100 but as far as I've seen, I'm already happy with my own age.. I suggest you make the best of what you have right now instead of chasing the "impossible"..

Hey, you did not note that, if i go through this plan, my body would start ageing much slower, probably when im 100 years old, by body would be of a 30 year old man, when im 200, my body would be of a 40 year old man, when my 300, a 50 year old man, 400, body of 60 year old man, 500, 70 year old, 600, 80, 700, 90, 800, 100 year old body of the normal human, and this is if i dont consider medical advancements.

probably in the future, organ transplants would be researched, to transplant livers/kidneys/stomachs/maybe lots more, of organs grown in the lab, that i could age much slower. oh, yes i also plan on injecting myself with testosterone(maybe other chemicals after more research) after menopause. which means when im 800, i could have a "60 year old body".

Everyone is different. I am in my late 40s and am in better shape than when I was in my 20s, because I work out 4-5 times a week, walk to work every weekday (a mile from home) and have a healthy diet. Look at photos of people who are in their 50s today and compare to people in their 50s from a previous generation. The 50-year-olds today look much younger and are much healthier because we know so much more about health and nutrition now. Who knows how much more we will know in the future? That being said, my grandmother was born before penicillin was discovered, lived to be almost 100, and she was healthy and independent almost to the very end, always lived in her own apartment, never bedridden or in a home, so genes also have a lot to do with it. This woman is 93 years old. 93 Year-Old Yoga Instructor Can Still Pose Perfectly - YouTube

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

Hey, you did not note that, if i go through this plan, my body would start ageing much slower, probably when im 100 years old, by body would be of a 30 year old man, when im 200, my body would be of a 40 year old man, when my 300, a 50 year old man, 400, body of 60 year old man, 500, 70 year old, 600, 80, 700, 90, 800, 100 year old body of the normal human, and this is if i dont consider medical advancements.

probably in the future, organ transplants would be researched, to transplant livers/kidneys/stomachs/maybe lots more, of organs grown in the lab, that i could age much slower. oh, yes i also plan on injecting myself with testosterone(maybe other chemicals after more research) after menopause. which means when im 800, i could have a "60 year old body".

YOU CAN'T AGE SLOWER, You'd kill yourself.. Your body MUST age not to fast and not to slow for it to continue it's life functions! It's even impossible to age slowly.. How can you age slowly, as far as I've read it's impossible unless we slow down time.. You can't have a "30 year old body when you're 100" Because you've lived 100 YEARS not 30, your body will act as if it was for a person of a 100 years old..

Your body isn't going to accept every organ you transplant in it.. It may reject organs or it would be too weak for it to work with the body.

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

Everyone is different. I am in my late 40s and am in better shape than when I was in my 20s, because I work out 4-5 times a week, walk to work every weekday (a mile from home) and have a healthy diet. Look at photos of people who are in their 50s today and compare to people in their 50s from a previous generation. The 50-year-olds today look much younger and are much healthier because we know so much more about health and nutrition now. Who knows how much more we will know in the future? That being said, my grandmother was born before penicillin was invented, lived to be almost 100, and she was healthy and independent almost to the very end, always lived in her own apartment, never bedridden or in a home, so genes also have a lot to do with it. This woman is 93 years old. 93 Year-Old Yoga Instructor Can Still Pose Perfectly - YouTube

Well he's talking about 800 years not 93.. I never said that 90's people can't shake it lol.. He's talking about almost 8x what you're talking about.. Who even guarantees he's not going to have a disease that would weaken his body?

Sleeper (1973) - IMDb

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

Hey, you did not note that, if i go through this plan, my body would start ageing much slower, probably when im 100 years old, by body would be of a 30 year old man, when im 200, my body would be of a 40 year old man, when my 300, a 50 year old man, 400, body of 60 year old man, 500, 70 year old, 600, 80, 700, 90, 800, 100 year old body of the normal human, and this is if i dont consider medical advancements.

probably in the future, organ transplants would be researched, to transplant livers/kidneys/stomachs/maybe lots more, of organs grown in the lab, that i could age much slower. oh, yes i also plan on injecting myself with testosterone(maybe other chemicals after more research) after menopause. which means when im 800, i could have a "60 year old body".

YOU CAN'T AGE SLOWER, You'd kill yourself.. Your body MUST age not to fast and not to slow for it to continue it's life functions! It's even impossible to age slowly.. How can you age slowly, as far as I've read it's impossible unless we slow down time.. You can't have a "30 year old body when you're 100" Because you've lived 100 YEARS not 30, your body will act as if it was for a person of a 100 years old..

Your body isn't going to accept every organ you transplant in it.. It may reject organs or it would be too weak for it to work with the body.

A human cannot currently slow down their aging process but they can reduce the effects of aging. sure he would still be 80 years old (if he pulled this off) but his body would appear similar to the body's of normal humans that are 30. Of course, I doubt he can reverse his aging so he would at least look as old as he does now.

But immortality isn't a fairy tale. There is no rule that living things MUST age and show/suffer the consequences of aging. (such as break down of cellular integrity, DNA breakdowns, etc). There are animals that seem to be functionally immortal. That means that they die from outside influences, predators or disease, rather than the effects of old age.

Here is just one example Hydra (genus) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would be OK with my brain in a vat hooked up to computers.

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

I would be OK with my brain in a vat hooked up to computers.

computers that control EVERYTHING.... lol I like the way you think. Now, just gotta make sure my brain gets hooked up before yours does.

I would be OK with my brain in a vat hooked up to computers.

Might be OK for touring the world's art galleries in a virtual world, but not much use for a family picnic with a game of cricket to follow. Getting to choir practice would be a bit tricky.

Originally Posted by adelady

I would be OK with my brain in a vat hooked up to computers.

Might be OK for touring the world's art galleries in a virtual world, but not much use for a family picnic with a game of cricket to follow. Getting to choir practice would be a bit tricky.

Those are only challenges for those who actually WANT to be in the presence of other living things. I can create a virtual world online and experience doing all the things you suggest. if hooked up to a computer, all organic sensations can be simulated through electrical impulses to the proper areas of the brain. The only thing that would not be able to happen would be real reproduction and really going to the bathroom. But the perception of having children is sufficient and who actually enjoys going to the bathroom. I would prefer to be like people on tv. Always looking good and never having to pee.

yea. and imagine all the food you can eat and never grow fat.


but what if virus/bacteria/cancer/tumour hits you brain?

youre sure gunna be screwed :X

I would prefer to be like people on tv. Always looking good and never having to pee.

Really? I'm strongly opposed to those people who try to tell us that the "truth" of our existence is horrible, that rubbish bins and sewers are a better truer indicator of our reality than the delicious dinners or absorbing hobbies or happy times that lead to the sewage and discards. (Anyway, compost is a marvel all of its own.)

I also think that life is best appreciated as a whole. Never forget that you're an animal like all the others. Never forget that you have attributes and experiences not only unlike, but completely unavailable, to those others.

Originally Posted by adelady

I would prefer to be like people on tv. Always looking good and never having to pee.

Really? I'm strongly opposed to those people who try to tell us that the "truth" of our existence is horrible, that rubbish bins and sewers are a better truer indicator of our reality than the delicious dinners or absorbing hobbies or happy times that lead to the sewage and discards. (Anyway, compost is a marvel all of its own.)

I also think that life is best appreciated as a whole. Never forget that you're an animal like all the others. Never forget that you have attributes and experiences not only unlike, but completely unavailable, to those others.

I don't believe anything is horrible or better or worse. Those are all subjective relative terms that mean something different to each individual that uses them. I don't believe in good, bad, right or wrong. Things just are what they are.

You can live as long as you can keep your sanity. -200 years (if you don't get dementia in your late natural years) and that's with immortality technologies such as brain transplant, biological tools and nanobots.

Originally Posted by Japith

You can live as long as you can keep your sanity. -200 years (if you don't get dementia in your late natural years) and that's with immortality technologies such as brain transplant, biological tools and nanobots.

Not mentioning Alzheimer.. In my personal opinion, you should just make the best of your life.. Brain transplant wouldn't make much of a change if the body won't fully co-operate or just too old to do anything..

Aging is a very complicated process. I have a bit of background in biochemistry and biology and even that's enough for me to know that any such promises, "to live to 500 years" etc. are bogus.

I feel sad that i have to die in less than a century.

Why do we have to be born if we have to die anyway... ... ... ...

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

I feel sad that i have to die in less than a century.

Why do we have to be born if we have to die anyway... ... ... ...

life is only exciting because of its brevity. If you live too long you will become bored and wish for death to hurry up.

Whats the most painless+least(or 0)discomforting way to die?
Even Carbon Monoxide has its own discomforts

p.s. im not contemplating it, just asking

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

Whats the most painless+least(or 0)discomforting way to die?
Even Carbon Monoxide has its own discomforts

p.s. im not contemplating it, just asking

I've always been told drowning, but I'm guessing sudden massive electrical shock.
It would be like instantly unplugging your brain. I doubt you would get a chance to feel anything.

drowning would be extremely discomforting.

Best way to die?

In your sleep. You just don't wake up. Good for you at least, not so much for your partner waking up to find you there.

Best of all? A long and happy life, then a short bout of terminal cancer with good pain relief. Gives time for you and everyone else to get used to the idea, say your goodbyes and Iloveyous, then relax and let go.

Before you start living like this I would make sure your immediate environment is not polluted with this deadly chemical: Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info, or else your efforts to live forever may be in vain.

Originally Posted by DaBOB

Before you start living like this I would make sure your immediate environment is not polluted with this deadly chemical: Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division - dihydrogen monoxide info, or else your efforts to live forever may be in vain.

I, too, am a strong supporter of the ban on dihydrogen Monoxide. It's time to stop the dying!

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Originally Posted by Japith

You can live as long as you can keep your sanity. -200 years (if you don't get dementia in your late natural years) and that's with immortality technologies such as brain transplant, biological tools and nanobots.

Not mentioning Alzheimer.. In my personal opinion, you should just make the best of your life.. Brain transplant wouldn't make much of a change if the body won't fully co-operate or just too old to do anything..

I wonder what nanites could do and what DNA modifications/sequencing could do. Too bad the world won't let us experiment with those concept.

Originally Posted by adelady

Best way to die?

In your sleep. You just don't wake up. Good for you at least, not so much for your partner waking up to find you there.

Best of all? A long and happy life, then a short bout of terminal cancer with good pain relief. Gives time for you and everyone else to get used to the idea, say your goodbyes and Iloveyous, then relax and let go.

Getting choked by boobs. That's the best way to die. lol

Originally Posted by Japith

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Originally Posted by Japith

You can live as long as you can keep your sanity. -200 years (if you don't get dementia in your late natural years) and that's with immortality technologies such as brain transplant, biological tools and nanobots.

Not mentioning Alzheimer.. In my personal opinion, you should just make the best of your life.. Brain transplant wouldn't make much of a change if the body won't fully co-operate or just too old to do anything..

I wonder what nanites could do and what DNA modifications/sequencing could do. Too bad the world won't let us experiment with those concept.

Against DNA modifications and/or sequencing.. Many dangerous things can occur if we mess up with something.

like zombie apocalypse? what dangerous things do you mean?

i doubt a zombie apocalypse could be a result of DNA experimenting?

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

like zombie apocalypse? what dangerous things do you mean?

i doubt a zombie apocalypse could be a result of DNA experimenting?

The DNA is the like the bricks for the human body.. Wouldn't really want to mess with that.. Not necessarily about the zombie.. You'd have to "modify" the brain into not distinguishing what's right from what's wrong and make it always hungry.. And then you can paint it green and break one of the legs and you got yourself a zombie!

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

like zombie apocalypse? what dangerous things do you mean?

i doubt a zombie apocalypse could be a result of DNA experimenting?

The DNA is the like the bricks for the human body.. Wouldn't really want to mess with that.. Not necessarily about the zombie.. You'd have to "modify" the brain into not distinguishing what's right from what's wrong and make it always hungry.. And then you can paint it green and break one of the legs and you got yourself a zombie!

It must be the green and broken limbs that actually makes one a zombie, because I don't perceive right or wrong and I am always hungry. Sometimes I am green when I don't feel well, but never had a broken limb, that I know of.

Originally Posted by seagypsy

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

Originally Posted by ryanawe123

like zombie apocalypse? what dangerous things do you mean?

i doubt a zombie apocalypse could be a result of DNA experimenting?

The DNA is the like the bricks for the human body.. Wouldn't really want to mess with that.. Not necessarily about the zombie.. You'd have to "modify" the brain into not distinguishing what's right from what's wrong and make it always hungry.. And then you can paint it green and break one of the legs and you got yourself a zombie!

It must be the green and broken limbs that actually makes one a zombie, because I don't perceive right or wrong and I am always hungry. Sometimes I am green when I don't feel well, but never had a broken limb, that I know of.

I can break your limb .. And I've got green paint just in case you want to try..
I was speaking of morality.. More like unaware cannibalism? The cannibals I've seen on the Internet and on TVs (Interviews) were aware of the fact they were eating parts of the human body.

OR! We can go into one of the U.S.'s biological warehouses and steal a retrovirus and inject you with it, in your Amygdala, Frontal Cortex and Ventromedial Hypothalamus.. Should be fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

OR! We can go into one of the U.S.'s biological warehouses and steal a retrovirus and inject you with it, in your Amygdala, Frontal Cortex and Ventromedial Hypothalamus.. Should be fun to watch.

Now that does sound exciting. But I'd want to clone myself first just incase it didn't go well. OR maybe we can do it to my clone. I'm getting pins and needles just imagining it.

I'd have to inject your clone AND you.. Just in case the first one fails.

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

I'd have to inject your clone AND you.. Just in case the first one fails.

Well make several clones. No one injects the original but NF.

Originally Posted by seagypsy

Originally Posted by Hassnhadi

I'd have to inject your clone AND you.. Just in case the first one fails.

Well make several clones. No one injects the original but NF.

I'll start with you first, but what if you died? How2Resurrect?

Simple. You are genetically designed to die ..like everything else. Besides they'd have to change that Lion King song..
::singing:: "The straiiight line oof Liife" ...doesn't have the same ring

Originally Posted by NetHunter

Simple. You are genetically designed to die ..like everything else. Besides they'd have to change that Lion King song..
::singing:: "The straiiight line oof Liife" ...doesn't have the same ring

Not exactly to die.. More like to age.. I guess you die when your brain is not capable of supporting the human body at a point so you die.. In my opinion death might happen because of the sudden stop of 2 organs (might be one at certain causes) those are the heart and the brain, the human control centre and the organ with the highest electromagnetic field in the body.. The heart has (according to HowStuffWorks) has cells that can create electricity on their own and considering the size of the heart and the size of the heart cells...