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    Hi

    I would like to consult this enigma:
    No test (urine, hemogram, liver, etc) reveals any origin for it. Carried out lots of medical exams during years.
    Videocolonoscopy revealed 'relaxed' colon only. But at that time i was doing crunches and other exercises since long time ago.

    Fiber, juices, water help but stools are still voluminous and sticky. It worse my anal fisure.
    The only thing that helped was ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet and raw food sometimes (used no oil, only raw olive oil), Positive: fisure & constipation disapeared, energy increased, insomnio extinguished, dandruff disapeared completely. Negative: my body became too thin.

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    Uhhmmm...

    I'm sorry that you've had to go through all that... Guess the diet change helped... Glad to hear that you're having an easier time... of ummm.. well that you're getting better at... ahhh...

    Hell with this
    /exit


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Uhhmmm...

    I'm sorry that you've had to go through all that... Guess the diet change helped... Glad to hear that you're having an easier time... of ummm.. well that you're getting better at... ahhh...

    Hell with this
    /exit
    Not really. Ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet and raw food helped, but now i am omnivore again, and have the nasty symptoms again.
    Doctors warn me on risk of the experimental OLV diet. They said meatless diet produce macrocitic anemia, which cause paralysis.
    What Is Macrocytic Anemia?
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    Vitamin B12 supplements are easy. Vegans regularly use them, since this kind of anemia is common with vegans. Possibly iron pills also. There should be nothing wrong with an OLV diet, as long as you take those supplements and get a good variety of different foods.
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    I'd strongly suggest a mostly vegetable and fruit diet, even if you eat meat most days. There's no need to eat a steak or a pork chop. Look at traditional Chinese and Vietnamese cooking (not what gets served in restaurants in Western countries). The dishes are mainly vegetable, lots of vegetables, with a few slivers of chicken or duck or pork - all served with rice.

    You can also satisfy your meat preferring palate with soups or sauces or gravies made with meat stock. One late summer to mid winter dish we like is simply to roast a large pan of mixed root and solanum vegetables along with pumpkin - so potato, pumpkin, carrot, parsnip, baby turnips or beetroot if you have them, onions, eggplant, zucchini, peppers any colour but green, I also like the flavour when leeks are included, and maybe throw in tomatoes towards the end of the cooking time. Use a tomato passata in the dish along with the roasting oil. Marvellous on their own, or with a sauce/gravy of some kind/ maybe even with grilled or roasted meat. The big benefit follows. There will be leftovers. These are fan.tas.tic on their own or with a fresh, green salad or, surprisingly, in a sandwich.

    A mostly veg/fruit diet with very small servings of meat would be far better for someone with your kind of problems than an OLV one which allowed things like egg, dairy and grain based dishes (think spinach quiche or potato frittata) as satisfying your requirements. Those dishes would be fine in small servings with accompanying green / onion / tomato based salads or salsa.

    I should point out my daughter and her partner are currently doing a big shift in their diets. They've been having only fruits and vegetables for several weeks and now they're shifting to OLV, but with mainly vegetables and fruit. And they're doing it right with regular checkups and blood tests at set intervals or stages. One unexpected benefit for my daughter at least. Her skin feels and looks better. She's always had very fine, very pale skin, but now it seems softer or "something". Better anyway.
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    Voluminous contents and anal fissure Have you tried a stool softener to allow contents to move more easily and pass more easily?

    Relaxed colon Any opiates or opiate-like medication that slows/stops peristaltic action of colon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Vitamin B12 supplements are easy. Vegans regularly use them, since this kind of anemia is common with vegans. Possibly iron pills also. There should be nothing wrong with an OLV diet, as long as you take those supplements and get a good variety of different foods.
    Thank you all for your brilliant advice.
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    However, this question is a bit weird:

    I could take b-12 and iron supplemets, but that not solve the mystery of why my body requires a meatless diet, since we are biologically designed to eat meat.

    How rural ovo-lacto-vegetarian hindus get b-12? I was read that bacteria grow in cooked grains not eaten right away (at least rice, anyway), and those bacteria supposedly provide vitamin B-12.

    If my body is designed to eat meat and cooked oils (is it true that heaten oils breaks down, and become a source of free readicals?) why they could turn my stools sticky and voluminous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    Voluminous contents and anal fissure — Have you tried a stool softener to allow contents to move more easily and pass more easily?

    Relaxed colon — Any opiates or opiate-like medication that slows/stops peristaltic action of colon?
    No. I didn't. I was consumed psyllium, a water-soluble fiber.
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    Total vegans do not get vitamin B12, unless it is added deliberately to vegan foods. They suffer significant health problems unless they take supplements.

    Eggs and cheese contain some vitamin B12, but not really enough. You would need to eat 5 eggs per day to get enough that way, or else at least 250 grams per day of cheese. It is true that some bacteria can provide vitamin B12, but that is a very risky way to try to get your dose. Bacterial action in foods also creates some nasty toxins. This source also provides some vitamin B12 in unwashed mushrooms, since the bacteria making this vitamin will grow on the surface of mushrooms. Do not wash them, though.

    On oils.
    If you do not re-use oils, they are healthy. If you cook with the same oil over and over again, it becomes bad for your health. Once, though, is fine.
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    If you cook with the same oil over and over again, it becomes bad for your health.
    And it's not just because of the effect on the oil. Deep frying or otherwise using a lot of oil is not the best approach. Even when you're cooking meatballs or something like that, you can use a lot less oil than you might think. (Brought to mind sharing a holiday house with another family. We could not believe the amount of oil being used to cook just about everything. Most of the time we use oil in teaspoon or tablespoon quantities, not in cup measurements.)
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    When this type of woes progress to ulcerative colitis, the ultimate tummy upset has been experienced. I understand this is today much more medically controllable than 40 years or so, ago. Opium and Prednisolone were about the only helpful medications then, along with "rest" for the G.I. system by limiting food intake by mouth. It was then (perhaps still is) spoken of as a psychosomatic disease.

    My brother in law contracted this at 16, spent 4 months in the hospital, survived, after losing 1/3 of his body weight, many blood transfusions, and managed to live a fairly normal life until his mid-20s, when a severe recurrence caused his death, at age 25, on his birthday! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Eggs and cheese contain some vitamin B12, but not really enough. You would need to eat 5 eggs per day to get enough that way, or else at least 250 grams per day of cheese
    How hindues and Hare Krishnas survive with these B-12 doses?:
    Vegetarian Sources Of Vitamin B12:

    Milk 8oz: 0.9mcg
    Yogurt, 8oz:0.9mcg
    Cheese, 1oz: 0.2mcg
    The RDAs (Recommended daily allowance) For Vitamin B12

    Adults over 19: 2.4mcg
    Pregnant women: 2.6mcg
    Lactating mothers: 2.8mcg


    But for us Vit B12 shouldnt be the main concern.. people will get lot of sinful reactions by eating meat. so we should totally avoid it and be pure vegetarians..
    Hare Krishna........
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    Society for Krishna Consciousness's discussion on vitamin B-12: Vitamin B12 - ISKCON Desire Tree - Devotee Network

    Middle-aged Indian men in Pune, Maharashtra, India:Vegetarianism was 4 times more common in the urban middle-class (44%) than in the slum residents (11%).

    An Original Article of the Journal of the Association of Physicians of India:
    Vitamin b-12 deficiency and Hyperhomocysteinemia in Rural and Urban Indians: http://japi.org/october2006/O-775.pdf

    Why hindus don't have high incidence of macrocytic anemia and paralysis?
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    In fact, anemia is common in Hindus.
    Lancet study rings alarm over anaemia prevalence in India - Indian Express

    Anemia is prevalent in vegans due to a lack of both iron and vitamin B12 in the diet. It can be very serious. Women who die in childbirth, often die because they have been weakened by anemia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    In fact, anemia is common in Hindus.
    Anemia is prevalent in vegans due to a lack of both iron and vitamin B12 in the diet. It can be very serious. Women who die in childbirth, often die because they have been weakened by anemia.
    I think vegetarianism began as a consequence of 2 religious beliefs: Ahimsa (non-violence) and Karma.

    But i don't understand why vegetarianism exist in developed societies where health authorities could prohibit such anti-scientific, dangerous diets:
    Raw Food Associati​on of Western Australia Cruelty Free Festival 2012 Perth: Cruelty Free Festival 2012 Perth - Closing down:Social Vegans & Vegetarians Perth (see note) (Perth) - Meetup
    Instead of promoting crueltry-free lifestyle, they must promote the only rational solution: development of syntetic meat.

    If science was solved the vegetarianism controversy, why USA authorities allow the existence of Vegetarian Religious Groups in their country, like Adventists, Society for Krishna Consciousness, etc.
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    There is a big difference between vegetarianism and veganism.

    Being vegetarian, like the lacto-ovo-vegetarian, can be reasonably healthy. However, vegans do not consume anything of animal origin - not even milk. A vegan diet cannot be healthy without supplements. Vitamin B12 and iron tablets at least are needed.

    In many poorer societies, animal products are simply too expensive, and so are supplements. So those unfortunate people eat food that is lacking in vital nutrients, and their health is poor as a result. Sometimes their health is so bad, they die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    There is a big difference between vegetarianism and veganism.
    Being vegetarian, like the lacto-ovo-vegetarian, can be reasonably healthy.
    You said: ''eggs and cheese contain some vitamin B12, but not really enough. You would need to eat 5 eggs per day to get enough that way, or else at least 250 grams per day of cheese''.
    Ergo, lacto-ovo-vegetarians need to consume B-12 pills. But they are synthetic pills, not organic pills (Spiruline is said to have low bioavailability), then non-natural. A flagrant contradiction.

    However, vegans do not consume anything of animal origin - not even milk. A vegan diet cannot be healthy without supplements. Vitamin B12 and iron tablets at least are needed.
    Confused, i see lack of scientific research in the webpage of the Raw Food Association of Western Australia. Seems cruelty-free for animals but a cruel experiment for humans. Extremely controversial, who knows if the complex human brain needs other elements apart of B-12 supplemets and Iron tablets. Another contradiction in its naturist conception is: can vegan babies grow normally?
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    We're an extremely adaptable species. Yes, vegan babies can grow naturally because their diet is not vegan at all, it's entirely of animal origin - breast milk.

    Whether the mother can remain strong, or at least healthy, while eating a vegan diet and feeding an infant is another issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    It was then (perhaps still is) spoken of as a psychosomatic disease.
    Have you medical training? How a psychosomatic disease can lead to death?
    You mean the root of this disease could be Fobias, Fears, Obsessions, etc? Unconscious some of them? For example, which kind of toxic thoughts/feelings?

    That means if a psychologist can't treat me, i could die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoar View Post
    How a psychosomatic disease can lead to death?
    Can't see why not. If the symptoms are severe enough (or the person is sufficiently desperate because of the symptoms).

    Don't confuse psychosomatic with imaginary.

    That means if a psychologist can't treat me, i could die?
    I don't know about that. But, to be honest, based on your posting history, I would imagine a psychiatrist might do you more good than a physician...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bezoar View Post
    That means if a psychologist can't treat me, i could die?
    I don't know about that. But, to be honest, based on your posting history, I would imagine a psychiatrist might do you more good than a physician...
    Maybe i'm not fully aware of that.
    What do you mean? What is strange about my posting history?
    Someone called me misanthropist, paranoid, but perhaps this is due to my limited knowledge of science and of the language, and also due to my believe that the only dumb question is the one not made.
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