Thread: Ovo-Lacto-Vegetarianism Can Be Safe?

Hi

I'm trying to solve the puzzle of a 100% guilt-free, clean diet. I will use the acronym O.L.V. diet.

Is the bioavailability of vegetal protein equivalent of the animal protein?
Can the wounds regenerate with the same eficience? (following an O.L.V diet)
Can Body Builders follow O.L.V. diet?

Exist any serious research done on O.L.V. hindus? (The only knowed real-life experience, i guess)

Two arguments in favor to meat-free meals:

1. Most people (non-sadistic) would experience repulsion cutting necks of living chickens, pigs, cows, etc.
2. All vegetal oils (the only non-saturated) are vulnerable to sunlight and heat. Their melecular chains decomposes after cooked, becoming source of free radicals. Nobody could eat oven-cooked/boiled meat only, all the time.

Thanks

I feel a lot of guilt for chewing and gnawing on some poor plant that can't even evade much less defend themselves.

Every time I crunch down on a stalk of celery- I am wracked with guilt.

1. People have been eating meat for many thousands of years. I don't know why they would suddenly get squeamish about it.
2. What does the breakdown of vegetable oil have to do with eating meat, and why couldn't somebody eat oven cooked boiled meat only, all the time?

Originally Posted by bezoar

I'm trying to solve the puzzle of a 100% guilt-free, clean diet. I will use the acronym O.L.V. diet.

Why not just call it boring. And what about the guilt regarding the poor farmers who are being exploited by the food industry?

Is the bioavailability of vegetal protein equivalent of the animal protein?

I have read that some amino acids are very rare in vegetable proteins. The same for some other essential nutrients.

1. Most people (non-sadistic) would experience repulsion cutting necks of living chickens, pigs, cows, etc.

I'm not convinced of that.

2. All vegetal oils (the only non-saturated) are vulnerable to sunlight and heat. Their melecular chains decomposes after cooked, becoming source of free radicals. Nobody could eat oven-cooked/boiled meat only, all the time.

Why does this only apply to meat? Are you only going to eat raw vegetables?

Originally Posted by Neverfly

I feel a lot of guilt for chewing and gnawing on some poor plant that can't even evade much less defend themselves.

Every time I crunch down on a stalk of celery- I am wracked with guilt.

Science proved birds, monkeys have innate intelligence, basic reasoning, and engineeral skills.
In Charles Darwin's book The Descent of Man, we can read some wild monkeys build shacks (primitive architecture), push down big rocks as weapons against other species of primate, use levers, ant traps, etc. Trained chimps solve geometric problems, use language of symbols.
Trained birds learn elementary arithmetic.

Bakster's Polygraph Test done in plants isn't a fraud?

Originally Posted by Neverfly

I feel a lot of guilt for chewing and gnawing on some poor plant that can't even evade much less defend themselves.

Every time I crunch down on a stalk of celery- I am wracked with guilt.

Science proved birds, monkeys have innate intelligence, basic reasoning, and engineeral skills.
In Charles Darwin's book The Descent of Man, we can read some wild monkeys build shacks (primitive architecture), push down big rocks as weapons against other species of primate, use levers, ant traps, etc. Trained chimps solve geometric problems, use language of symbols.
Trained birds learn elementary arithmetic.

Bakster's Polygraph Test done in plants isn't a fraud?

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Originally Posted by bezoar

2. All vegetal oils (the only non-saturated) are vulnerable to sunlight and heat. Their melecular chains decomposes after cooked, becoming source of free radicals. Nobody could eat oven-cooked/boiled meat only, all the time.

Why does this only apply to meat? Are you only going to eat raw vegetables?

No, i eat boiled vegetables and add olive oil over.

But, i was read in a book about oils, the molecular chains of all vegetable oils breaks down even with sunlight, for these reason they are bottled using dark glass.

Originally Posted by Harold14370

1. People have been eating meat for many thousands of years. I don't know why they would suddenly get squeamish about it.
2. What does the breakdown of vegetable oil have to do with eating meat, and why couldn't somebody eat oven cooked boiled meat only, all the time?

With all respect i feel you have predjuice to new ideas regard nutrition.
I define Ovo-Lacto-Vegetarinism as a Crueltry-Free diet. A 100% Ethic Diet. My assumption could be completely wrong of course.

Can science say unethical issue on food is ok?
Sometimes unethical actions and science are compatible? Show an example, please. I could be completely wrong.

Reason say us tauromaquia and hunting sport are cruel, unethical, but animals are not being slavering in filthy cages, for massive consumption?

Originally Posted by bezoar

I define Ovo-Lacto-Vegetarinism as a Crueltry-Free diet. A 100% Ethic Diet.

What if the producers of your vegetarian diet were mistreated, exploited and underpaid (or even slaves)? Is it still 100% ethical?

What if the animals we eat are well cared for and not treated cruelly? Is it still unethical?

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by bezoar

Is the bioavailability of vegetal protein equivalent of the animal protein?

I have read that some amino acids are very rare in vegetable proteins. The same for some other essential nutrients.

Which are them? how important are they?
How many OLV exist in US? The motive for their meatlessness is purely religious/phylosophical? (anti-rational). Are they losin something with their meatless diet?

Have an appointment with a nutritionist. He is a doctor who will help you to establish a diet that respect your wishes and you health.

When dealing with your own health, don't believe what you read here and there.

Originally Posted by bezoar

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by bezoar

Is the bioavailability of vegetal protein equivalent of the animal protein?

I have read that some amino acids are very rare in vegetable proteins. The same for some other essential nutrients.

Which are them? how important are they?

No idea. Not something I know much about; just something I vaguely remember reading once. I could be wrong. It could have been anti-vegetarian propaganda!

Originally Posted by caKus

When dealing with your own health, don't believe what you read here and there.

Especially not here!

Originally Posted by Strange

Originally Posted by bezoar

I define Ovo-Lacto-Vegetarinism as a Crueltry-Free diet. A 100% Ethic Diet.

What if the producers of your vegetarian diet were mistreated, exploited and underpaid (or even slaves)? Is it still 100% ethical?

What if the animals we eat are well cared for and not treated cruelly? Is it still unethical?

Are you referring to?... Men creates explotation, was not stablished by the natural order. I doubt the vegetables you eat comes from exploited americans.
If agricultors are exploited, stockbreeders are exploited in the same proportion, with the addition that they imprison and slowly cut necks defenceless animals (genetically our closest beings) .

Originally Posted by bezoar

(genetically our closest beings) .

You share 80% of your genes with yeast so wine and beer are off the menu as well, then.

Originally Posted by bezoar

Originally Posted by Harold14370

1. People have been eating meat for many thousands of years. I don't know why they would suddenly get squeamish about it.
2. What does the breakdown of vegetable oil have to do with eating meat, and why couldn't somebody eat oven cooked boiled meat only, all the time?

With all respect i feel you have predjuice to new ideas regard nutrition.
I define Ovo-Lacto-Vegetarinism as a Crueltry-Free diet. A 100% Ethic Diet. My assumption could be completely wrong of course.

Can science say unethical issue on food is ok?
Sometimes unethical actions and science are compatible? Show an example, please. I could be completely wrong.

Reason say us tauromaquia and hunting sport are cruel, unethical, but animals are not being slavering in filthy cages, for massive consumption?

I don't think science says anything about unethical actions. Science tells us that people have been eating meat for many thousands of years. That's why I think it must be okay.

Originally Posted by Harold14370

1. People have been eating meat for many thousands of years. I don't know why they would suddenly get squeamish about it.
2. What does the breakdown of vegetable oil have to do with eating meat, and why couldn't somebody eat oven cooked boiled meat only, all the time?

You can't eat oven cooked and boiled meat (oiless) all the time because the taste will bore you.

Vegetal oil need to be added, but the heat will breakdown its molecular chains which turn it unhealthy.
Ergo, the meat 100% healthy doesnt exist. All recipes can be prepared in a healthy way, meat is the only exception.

bezoar is talking of eating eggs, dairy products, and vegetables/fruit. There is plenty of full amino acid protein in eggs, milk and cheese. No reason to be concerned there. Bezoar mentioned in the other thread the risk of anemia, which is possible. However, I am not sure that should be a major risk, and supplements can be used if necessary.

I love meat, myself, but the OLV diet should be perfectly fine.

You can't eat oven cooked and boiled meat (oiless) all the time because the taste will bore you.

Not if you're a decent cook! It doesn't take much in the way of herbs, spices or vegetables to enhance flavours (so long as you know what you're doing and what you do and don't like).

Vegetal oil need to be added, but the heat will breakdown its molecular chains which turn it unhealthy.
Ergo, the meat 100% healthy doesnt exist. All recipes can be prepared in a healthy way, meat is the only exception.

The whole object of cooking everything is to break down various molecules. What about "cooking" meat and fish by simply soaking in vinegar or other marinade mixture. I realise some meat needs to be sliced paper thin for this process to work quickly, but it does do the job.

Originally Posted by bezoar

You can't eat oven cooked and boiled VEGETABLES (oiless) all the time because the taste will bore you.

Vegetal oil need to be added, but the heat will breakdown its molecular chains which turn it unhealthy.
Ergo, the VEGETABLES 100% healthy doesnt exist.

See what I did there?

All recipes can be prepared in a healthy way, meat is the only exception.

Nonsense.

Originally Posted by Strange

All recipes can be prepared in a healthy way, meat is the only exception.

Nonsense.

I didn't know you were chefs.

I thought the naturist conception of health raised veganism and vegetarianism. A Conception from Healers like Sebastian Kneipp, Louis Kuhne, etc
But, if you claim lots of lacto-ovo-vegetarians consumes b-12 supplements, and all vegans consumes b-12 supplements. They are following anti-natural diets, based in a philosophy of animal ethics which don't belong to any formal school of thought.

I didn't know you were chefs.

No, I'm not. On the other hand I've been cooking appetising food for almost 50 years.

Originally Posted by bezoar

But, if you claim lots of lacto-ovo-vegetarians consumes b-12 supplements, and all vegans consumes b-12 supplements. They are following anti-natural diets, based in a philosophy of animal ethics which don't belong to any formal school of thought.

Not all vegans consume vitamin B12 supplements. But all vegans should consume vitamin B12 supplements.

OVL cruelty free? Have you been in a third world egg production plant? Cruelty on a massive, industrial scale.

This is an interesting topic.

I think we can agree that there are avenues/choices that CAN (potentially) be more ethical, and its relatively bogus to point to potential mistreatment without seperating it from the main discussion if doing so muddies the water more than anything (Eating Celery can be unethical too you know!!! Yes, they could be using the tears of 3rd world children being whipped to water the plants).

Yes, Eggs can and are being produced in horrible conditions, but it can be produced in much more adequate conditions than in-the-wild-starve-or-be-eaten-alive.

I have no problem eating plants, because they do not have a central nervous system, and we slaughter our own cells by the thousands each time we shave and also murder bacteria by the thousands each time we wipe a table clean, so I have no trouble eating yogourts etc, I see a difference between various organism and those with a developed central nervous system granting them conscience-sentience that is comparable to humans.

Technically, if a farm animal dies of natural causes, and if the meat is still good,
then I would have no theoretic guilt in eating it,
and, if a steak (muscle) could be grown from cells in a container and it also tasted good,
then I would have no theoretic guilt in eating it. (theoretic, because I eat steak and meat in real life, but would like to eat less)

For some arbitrary bogus reason, eating Fish and seafood doesnt appear to be as dramatic, maybe because fish "looks" so different from humans and pets we like to pet(unless anyone pets their goldfish), but they have a brain and might feel "fear" or "terror" and so on, so this is ok emotionally(because I give less of a hoot) but rationally it should be also off the table.

I also occasionally like to imagine a space colony to examine various issues from a different perspective, if we were to build a colony on Mars, eating animals would probably not be an option (or in limited way, like eating fish from aquaponics, container grown meat or something)

Is there a fancy name for Fish-Invertebrate*-Egg-Cheese-Vegetarians ? (if anyones eating like that)
EDIT: I just googled it: Pescetarian it gets 2 thumbs up, because it includes Sushi !


What would be the best justification you could fabricate or come up with to favor the Pescetarian diet?
("Though shall not eat what walks on land"? "Dont eat anything with an IQ above 2"? "If the glove dont fit you must acquit"?)

*An oyster doesnt have a brain and sentience reasonably similar to a human does it?

There's actually good evidence that shows humans have originally evolved to be herbivores, although it still remains as inconclusive.

Some of the earlier hominids were frugivorous and herbivorous, just like other related apes, while later hominids became omnivores due to cultural adaption. Our basic structures lean more towards a plant/fruit eating diet such as our long arms good for reaching and grasping and dull canine teeth, as seen in other apes, meant for pealing back the skin of fruit.

Our digestive systems were not meant to digest much meat. But learning to cook became very beneficiary for this sort of diet.

I'm a lacto-ova vegetarian myself, though lately I see myself more as a 'flexitarian.' I don't consume chunks of meat, but sometimes I do eat things that contain beef/chicken base and anchovies. Yes it's totally safe and often more suggested. You can get plenty of protein without even trying especially if you're eating eggs. There's enough protein in rice and pasta, nuts, beans, lentils and legumes. Unless you plan on becoming a bodybuilder, you really don't need that much to live on sufficiently.

Meats are not really a necessity for a healthy life, not to say that you can't be healthy while eating meat, but most that are sticking with meat is usually for the simple fact that it tastes good. Frankly if I wanted diet based on this mentality, I would eat nothing but Oreos and Pop tarts.