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    Ok maybe not real fatsos,
    but for us slightly overweight
    yippee

    as/re Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator my bmi =25.1 (I shoot for 24.4)

    A new international analysis reveals a surprising pattern: while obesity increases the risk of dying early, being slightly overweight reduces it.

    These studies included almost 3 million adults from around the world, yet the results were remarkably consistent, the authors of the analysis noted.

    "For people with a medical condition, survival is slightly better for people who are slightly heavier," said study author Katherine Flegal, a senior research scientist at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics.

    Read more: Study: Being Slightly Heavy Aids Longevity
    Important: At Risk For A Heart Attack? Find Out Now.
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    The report was published Jan. 2 in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    For the study, Flegal's team collected data on more than 2.88 million people included in 97 studies. These studies were done in the United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, China, Taiwan, Japan, Brazil, Israel, India and Mexico. The researchers looked at the participants' body mass index, or BMI, which is a measurement of body fat that takes into account a person's height and weight.

    Pooling the data from all the studies, the researchers found that compared with normal weight people, overweight people had a 6 percent lower risk of death. Obese people, however, had an 18 percent higher risk of death.

    For those who were the least obese, the risk of death was 5 percent lower than for normal weight people, but for those who were the most obese the risk of death was 29 percent higher, the findings revealed.

    Read more: Study: Being Slightly Heavy Aids Longevity
    Important: At Risk For A Heart Attack? Find Out Now.
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    more gravy, and some butter please


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    The risk of death- for everyone, skinny, fat or in between, is 100%.


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    Just think one day everyone here will be dead and this forum records and this thread if it should so still exist will be looked upon by people far in the future. And that is dependant on whether or not this thread and forum is still here, it may well not be. Amazing.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
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    Dust in the wind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Dust in the wind...
    That is a worrying symptom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Dust in the wind...
    I'll think twice next time around you when I get sand in my eye.
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    Carrying 'a bit of extra weight' is very subjective, yet in my own experience, most healthy animals sport a bit of excess and this level of fitness or fatness is largely determined by their placing in the group for herd or pack animals or by the size of their territory/availability of food for others. This bit of excess comes in handy during any extreme situation, injury or illness and affords a small window of opportunity for adjustment.

    Animals and persons without sufficient reserves will find maintenance onorous and be disadvantaged in dealing with challenges to their environment, food supply or ability.

    The disease of obesity seems to be largely limited to human beings which is rather logical since we are a species capable of manipulating our environment and creating our own food from many sources. Most other species have a considerably more limited range of nutritional options.
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    A big part of this statistic relies on survival of older people when some sickness strikes them down. Many illnesses require significant energy resources to fight. A slightly overweight person is more likely to survive such an illness due to the presence of sufficient reserve energy. As a general rule, in younger people, being normal weight improves health.
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    I am cardsharping on foot, also 10 to 15 mins.
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    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sallyjoseph View Post
    I am cardsharping on foot, also 10 to 15 mins.
    Is this one of those 'texting' word anomalies?

    The term 'cardsharp' has a generally negative definition. https://www.google.ca/search?q=cards...w=1600&bih=730

    Perhaps you could explain further what you are referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    What?
    Concise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    What?
    Concise.
    When I post, I have to pay by the character (including spaces.)

    By the way, you used three characters more than I used. Glad I don't pay your typing bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    What?
    Concise.
    When I post, I have to pay by the character (including spaces.)

    By the way, you used three characters more than I used. Glad I don't pay your typing bill.
    Eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    Why not consider the implication (regarding obesity as having become a far too coomon thing), that Endocrine Disruption is now almost a science of it's own, albeit not sported amongst the common "hoopla". TONS of evidence exist. Insidious it is. Poisonously dangerous it is not: it does not cause cancer, birth defects, or other outward serious manifestation. It probably explains quite a bit of the trend toward universal obesity (forget the B.S. about lack of exercise, excessive computer dedication, etc.), and definitely lends itself to a pretty strong case in support of erratic human behavior, oftentimes violent and aggressive (forget also about firearms being responsible for their use in violent killing).

    Endocrine Disruption is a condition of human functioning in which some man-made chemicals now found throughout our environment have found their way into virtually every living human, worldwide. These disruptive substances are known as "hormone-mimicking". The human physiological system perceives them as being naturally made and therefore naturally occurring in the body; their presence is gauged regarding quantity, and thus they affect drastically the production rate of hormones being made within the body. The net result is that our systems are being "fooled" into incorrrect control of organ-functioning.

    Fortunately, some of these chemicals have been banned by most countries, DDT being one serious offender. Unfortunately, they were banned for the wrong reasons: human toxicity and/or carcinogenicity. It is now known that DDT is one of the more serious hormone-disruptors, our bodies mistaking it for estrogen, and treating it as such. Unfortunately, DDT is long-lived in the human body, stored in the fat tissue. It's chief mode of being removed from the body is by breast feeding of infants. Now, look at today's kids. Think no connection is possible to their tendency toward obesity?


    This ought to be discussed, don't ya think? jocular
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    No.

    There are many more likely causes of obesity than such chemicals, and especially not DDT, which has not been part of the human food chain for up to 50 years. You might as well say that fairies are the cause of obesity.

    Other much more likely causes include changes to our intestinal flora - proven to affect obesity rates in clear cut experiments. But the main cause is almost certainly changes in life style, including less exercise and a crappy diet.
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    DDT pesticide found in human milk Tuesday, 13 September 2011
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    According to new research that analysed 146 samples of breast milk, the pesticide DDT and related Persistent Organic Pollutants are still being found in humans. Despite a ban on its use, these chemicals continue to linger in our food supply - particularly in dairy products, seafood, cattle and poultry.
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    SYDNEY: Despite an international treaty banning its use, the pesticide DDT is still turning up in humans, confirming a continued presence in our food chain, new research suggests.

    The bulk of Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs) found in 146 human milk samples belonged to the DDT family of chemicals, a health researcher said, speaking at the CleanUp 2011 conference in Adelaide today.
    POPs are chemical substances that persist in the environment long after their original use, enter and accumulate in the food web, and could pose adverse affects to human health and the environment.
    "Finding them in human milk indicates that these pollutants are still present in food chain, which means that they're highly persistent and have a slow decline rate," said Tze Wai Wong, an environmental epidemiologist at The Chinese University of Hong Kong.
    "Or, worse still," he added, "they are still being used in some countries in food production- neither of which is good news for consumers."

    DDT pesticide found in human milk | COSMOS magazine
    DDT is used in Africa and other countries where mosquito borne malaria remains a concern. We have canned fruit in our store from South Africa.

    How does DDT enter the environment?
    Despite its limited use, DDT continues to appear in our environment, even in places such as the Arctic, where it was never applied. New DDT contamination is the result of long-range atmospheric transport and the accumulation of the chemical in soil, water and snow. DDT is also carried to northern regions by migratory birds.
    DDT has been detected in air, rain, snow, surface water and soil, as well as in the tissues of plants and animals. In the North, the highest concentrations of DDT have been found in carnivorous predators and scavengers such as hawks, gulls, seals and polar bears.
    DDT has been found in human fat tissue and milk
    Although DDT has not been used in most northern countries for over 20 years, it is still the best hope for controlling parasitic diseases such as malaria in many parts of the world. Expensive alternatives for preventing the transmission of malaria are not affordable in countries where this disease is most common. For these countries, DDT is still the most effective insecticide.
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    I'm not fat...I'm just famine and drought resistant!
    Fixin' shit that ain't broke.
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    About DDT.

    Presence in milk is not news. It has been known for decades. However, there is another question you never asked. That most vital question is : "How much?"

    DDT is found in milk and in all sorts of other places in trivial amounts. In human milk, for example, it was measured at 100 parts per quadrillion.

    If something is found in tiny, tiny amounts, it is not of biological concern.
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    That's really a good news but since i am not fat, im kinda slim.
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