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    Ive heard over and over that if you have pain in the back and such, you should sleep on a hard mattrass. However this makes no sense at all.

    If you are sleeping on a soft mattress, your body will sink into the mattress easily. The weight of your body will be perfectly distributed into the mattress evenly. I mean the softer, the better.
    A hard mattress? You are going to wake up hurting all over?

    How on earth can a hard mattress be better than a soft one?

    This may be a trivial question but this matter seems to defy common sense to such a degree I cant resist asking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
    Ive heard over and over that if you have pain in the back and such, you should sleep on a hard mattress. However this makes no sense at all.

    If you are sleeping on a soft mattress, your body will sink into the mattress easily. The weight of your body will be perfectly distributed into the mattress evenly. I mean the softer, the better.
    A hard mattress? You are going to wake up hurting all over?

    How on earth can a hard mattress be better than a soft one?

    This may be a trivial question but this matter seems to defy common sense to such a degree I cant resist asking.
    Actually that should be a firm mattress as opposed to hard. In any event I tend to agree with you. Over the years I've slept on many types of beds. Springs, water, air, bean bags, futons and currently memory foam mattress. The memory foam beats them all as it manages to be both firm and soft at the same time.


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    I like my bed, like I like my women's boobs....firm.

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    Fixin' shit that ain't broke.
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    All I know is that when I sleep on a bed that is firmer than what I'm used to, I tend to wake up in the middle of the night with a backache.
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    when i was in the army, I fell and hurt my back-----the ache lasted for days, then I went to see the doctor who wrote me a prescription---the pharmacy didn't fill it, but sent me to the carpenters shop, who issued me a green 3/4 inch piece of plywood to go between the 3 inch thick matress and the sprung wire grid. Then a yogi recomended sleeping on my back without a pillow---------really worked
    But, I like to sleep on my belly, and a few years ago, I started adding on some extra pounds, and the back ache returned--so I ended up sleeping on my back again, then I lost the extra pounds, and can sleep side, belly, or back, and rarely have morning back pain----------after working a hard day, however, sitting here, the pain is back--------
    lower back-------from lifting heavy stuff? or balance?
    But, with any luck at all, it'll be gone in the morning
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    when i was in the army, I fell and hurt my back-----the ache lasted for days, then I went to see the doctor who wrote me a prescription---the pharmacy didn't fill it, but sent me to the carpenters shop, who issued me a green 3/4 inch piece of plywood to go between the 3 inch thick mattress and the sprung wire grid. Then a yogi recommended sleeping on my back without a pillow---------really worked
    But, I like to sleep on my belly, and a few years ago, I started adding on some extra pounds, and the back ache returned--so I ended up sleeping on my back again, then I lost the extra pounds, and can sleep side, belly, or back, and rarely have morning back pain----------after working a hard day, however, sitting here, the pain is back--------
    lower back-------from lifting heavy stuff? or balance?
    But, with any luck at all, it'll be gone in the morning
    I'm sure having the right bed helps, but I know doing the right exercises for the back and midsection work the best at clearing up the ache in the lower back. Then it doesn't matter what bed you are sleeping in, except where getting a good sleep is concerned.
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    arKane:
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    I was lucky, one of my professors had a "bad back" and he shared his bending, twisting, and stretching execrises with me------when the back aches, I do the exercises without actually thinking about them. I also made a bar in the greenhouse so that I could just hang from it, and stretch the back out--also drinking plenty of water(usually a quart) before bed hydrates the disks, and prepares the back for another day of work. And instead of sitting, squating also helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    arKane:
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    I was lucky, one of my professors had a "bad back" and he shared his bending, twisting, and stretching exercises with me------when the back aches, I do the exercises without actually thinking about them. I also made a bar in the greenhouse so that I could just hang from it, and stretch the back out--also drinking plenty of water(usually a quart) before bed hydrates the disks, and prepares the back for another day of work. And instead of sitting, squatting also helps.
    I think everyone's seen those commercials about the Teeter hanger? That device where you hang upside down. it's supposed to stretch out the spine. Seems like it might work. A friend of mine bought a different brand for about $100, says he's been using it for a few months now and has actually got back some of the height he's lost do to the natural contraction of the spine during aging. Said he got back a little over an inch. Some day I look forward to trying one myself. As far as drinking a lot of water before going to bed, that will taper off a lot when you start getting up a half dozen times every night with a strong desire to empty your bladder.
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    as/re H2O
    the bladder is the same size, it's just the prostate that is confused--(who is in charge here? my brain or the enlarged prostate?)------so I drain the main thing well before bed, and, if I get up once or twice during the night, it is a small price to pay for hydrated disks, but most nights I sleep till dawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    as/re H2O
    the bladder is the same size, it's just the prostate that is confused--(who is in charge here? my brain or the enlarged prostate?)------so I drain the main thing well before bed, and, if I get up once or twice during the night, it is a small price to pay for hydrated disks, but most nights I sleep till dawn.
    The enlarged prostate wins every time, so far yours is still in fairly good shape. Not once have I ever been able to go back to sleep when the urge to urinate has happened until I relieve myself.
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    Like Scupter, long experience with all kinds of crazy sleeping surfaces from cots, to old mattresses to sleeping bag over springs, HMMWV hoods and of course the ground more times than I care to think about. I now prefer a half inch of paddling which is more than I ever needed as a younger man. Most important than anything else for a good sleep is being mentally or physically tired before before I hit the sack. I think the huge industry to sell all sorts of crazy mattresses is mostly a sham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Like Scupter, long experience with all kinds of crazy sleeping surfaces from cots, to old mattresses to sleeping bag over springs, HMMWV hoods and of course the ground more times than I care to think about. I now prefer a half inch of paddling which is more than I ever needed as a younger man. Most important than anything else for a good sleep is being mentally or physically tired before before I hit the sack. I think the huge industry to sell all sorts of crazy mattresses is mostly a sham.
    Well I agree with the highlighted statement. But I rarely find myself in that condition. I do have tinnitus and sometimes have to leave the TV on to cover the hissing in my ears or I can't fall asleep.

    What were you doing on the ground more times than you care to think about? I can remember camping as a kid with just a sleeping bag between me and the ground, but I gave that up by the time I got into high school.

    When you think about it, humans spend about a third of their lives in bed sleeping. It seems important to me that people have the best bed they can get to spend that amount of time in.
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    The Army puts you on the ground quite a bit--heck it was often by choice of course, since I was a leader much of the time...but still, it's part of the culture as well as a mission necessity sometimes. I camp quite a bit as well. I read and try to do something physical most days--today the sun came out for the first time in a week so I went out and rowed for two hours (and got rained on...lol). Tonight I'm studying biology, listening to pandora, and checking in here off and on. I'll be asleep 5 minute after I lay my head down. If I'm not asleep in 20 minutes I'll get up for an hour, enjoy a decaf tea and either work on whatever idea is keeping me up or read something light. Occasionally I'm meditate, sometime I'll medicate with a glass of wine....or two :-)

    I've been lucky to avoid back problems except for an occasional pulled muscle from trying to act like I'm 20 years again. I don't doubt beds matter for those with skeletal problems and I sure as heck don't envy them. For most though, the $2000 beds and $1000 matresses you see are probably overkill better spent on ways to make oneself tired (exercise machine, gym membership, or in my case a stack of plywood to build a boat from) for a good nights sleep.
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    For those of us with crook backs, a good mattress is a must. Especially if you have the bonus matching set of crook hips, pelvis, knees.

    We got a pretty firm, pretty expensive mattress with a 'pillow' top. I'm starting to think a memory foam overlay would be a good investment.
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    I bought a memory foam mattress and it was the best investment I've ever made. Old sports injuries meant every night was a pain in my back, hips, and knees. Not any more. I wake up maybe once a night to roll over and that's it.

    Get a full memory foam mattress and damn the costs. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I bought a memory foam mattress and it was the best investment I've ever made. Old sports injuries meant every night was a pain in my back, hips, and knees. Not any more. I wake up maybe once a night to roll over and that's it.

    Get a full memory foam mattress and damn the costs. Seriously.
    I got a Queen size memory foam mattress at Costco for $499. They also sell the memory foam overlays for about $200. Anyway I also got the metal bed frame form Costco for $25. I had to go to the Bed Store and pick up a 5" box spring to put the mattress on. It wasn't made for that, but I've been sleeping on it for a year and a half now and it's worked out very well.
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    I brought a memory foam mattress from ebay... Had about 4-6 inches of memory foam (not sure what rating) with about 8-10 inches of normal foam underneath. This was a very soft mattress.

    The first nights sleep was exquisite... and remained fine for a while.

    Then I strained the cartilage in my lower back muscles from working to hard with a bent back... It often seemed like my back hurt more in the morning than it did at night after a days work.

    I invested a lot of money into a combo spring and memory foam mattress from a firm or range called health beds or something, that is very firm.

    It only has a thin layer of memory foam and something like 100 springs per sq foot (or something crazy).

    Anyway, the firm mattress was a blessing for my back ache.

    Memory foam on it's own is comfy and good for circulation, but in my opinion it should be on a firm base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    I brought a memory foam mattress from ebay... Had about 4-6 inches of memory foam (not sure what rating) with about 8-10 inches of normal foam underneath. This was a very soft mattress.

    The first nights sleep was exquisite... and remained fine for a while.

    Then I strained the cartilage in my lower back muscles from working to hard with a bent back... It often seemed like my back hurt more in the morning than it did at night after a days work.

    I invested a lot of money into a combo spring and memory foam mattress from a firm or range called health beds or something, that is very firm.

    It only has a thin layer of memory foam and something like 100 springs per sq foot (or something crazy).

    Anyway, the firm mattress was a blessing for my back ache.

    Memory foam on it's own is comfy and good for circulation, but in my opinion it should be on a firm base.
    There are different grades of memory foam, usually without a softer two or three inches on top it's to firm for most people. Makes me wonder what you really got? In any event considering how much of your life will be spent in bed, it really pays to do your research and then go to two or three bed stores and actually lay on the different beds, that way you won't get any surprises when you do put your cash down on a 20 year investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    ... , or in my case a stack of plywood to build a boat from)... .
    what sort of boat?
    dimensions?
    post plans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
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    ... , or in my case a stack of plywood to build a boat from)... .
    what sort of boat?
    dimensions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    There are different grades of memory foam, usually without a softer two or three inches on top it's to firm for most people. Makes me wonder what you really got? In any event considering how much of your life will be spent in bed, it really pays to do your research and then go to two or three bed stores and actually lay on the different beds, that way you won't get any surprises when you do put your cash down on a 20 year investment.
    Can't tell you the make or model at the minute but it is a goodun and i'm happy with my online purchase.

    A trip to a bed store would have been a good idea though for sure... i'm too much of a gambler sometimes.
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    I had a bad back for years. Bought a Japanese futon and put it on the floor. Lots of pain for about three months while adjusting (my previous bed had an arch in it), and it's been the best thing since. Plus, once you get used to it you can sleep anywhere... like in the streets outside the Kunming train station because you're too poor to get a hotel.

    Anyway, the back supports itself. Back pain when sleeping is usually due to poor posture. If you slouch all day than your spine is used to bending forward too much, so when it goes into it's natural state on a firm surface it hurts (likely, there's inflammation or a pinched nerve acting up due to the posture problem). If it's just once in a while a little massage usually does the trick. But if you slouch all day, every day than there's not much you can do... but get a bed that holds your body like spoon. Sitting and standing straight are habits worth learning, but one should expect a rough road at first, while the body is retrained.

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    I spend 1/3 of my life on a 1"-3" hand made cotton futon. (starts at 3" but flattens over time, until you give it some sun, it loves the sun)
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    Just reporting in. Yep. Bad Back. Nuerosurgeons etc. Over 50 years. Hard Beds murder. Soft down Mattrasses filled with the softest breast feathers three foot deep probably t=do the holiday job. Must try the soft memory approach. In the interim, cortizone epidurals(injections). Don't feel sorry for me. Thats what has made me fight harder to lead a normal? life. Thats why they named me Sue. westwind.
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    Bought a Japanese futon and put it on the floor.
    On the floor puts it out of the question for me. My knees gave out 25 years ago - haven't been able to kneel for 15+ years (I can't even towel my knees dry after a shower because of the pain).

    Posture's never been a problem - I was a singer for many years. Good breathing means good posture.
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    I'm in favour of hard bed (or even plywood) because in principle: if one is relaxed enough he/she can even sleep on bed of nails! But I think our body is not relaxed enough while sleeping, that's why we got backache and sort (it tries too hard to keep its shape). -So IMO its important to sleep on flat surface so that it prevent our body from bending into arbitrary shape.

    I think sleeping people are not relaxed, they are stiff!
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    I think sleeping people are not relaxed, they are stiff!
    Got some really interesting advice from a physio once. With a seriously bad neck, she asked about pillows. I didn't even know what brand they were. She recommended that you never, ever, use foam or rubber pillows. Why not? Because even when you're not doing anything, breathing alone creates movement and that means that your neck is constantly subjected to small bounce-type movements.

    You should use feather pillows only. When your head and neck settle in, that's it. No movement unless you turn. If you're allergic to the feathers, there are imitation feather pillows with the same attributes. The main thing is that the pillow must not 'bounce back' from pressure by your hand or anything else. They should need fluffing up after they've been used.
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    Thats what has made me fight harder to lead a normal? life. Thats why they named me Sue. westwind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westwind View Post
    Just reporting in. Yep. Bad Back. Neurosurgeons etc. Over 50 years. Hard Beds murder. Soft down Mattresses filled with the softest breast feathers three foot deep probably t=do the holiday job. Must try the soft memory approach. In the interim, cortisone epidurals(injections). Don't feel sorry for me. That's what has made me fight harder to lead a normal? life. That's why they named me Sue. westwind.
    Personally I don't think beds have much to do with causing bad backs. However, when you do start hurting in the back, getting a good nights sleep can be a real challenge and some beds do seem to help more than others. The thing I like about memory foam is the way it contours to the body. I like the mattresses that have 8 to 9 inches of firm memory foam with 3 to 4 inches of softer memory foam on top of the firmer layer. I like my bed to be high enough off the floor that when I sit on it both my feet are flat on the floor. As an older person getting close to the floor is not something I want to do if I can avoid it and having my feet swing free on a high bed also is not in my best interest. So you guys that want to sleep on a hard floor have at it and leave me out of it.
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    The main thing is that the pillow must not 'bounce back' from pressure by your hand or anything else. They should need fluffing up after they've been used.
    I've got one of those shaped memory foam pillows.. not bothered to try it yet. It bounce as much as normal foam though.

    I think my current pillows comprise of at least one bouncer, so I need to look into it. Thanks for this tip Adelady.



    I wonder if there is an ideal pillow thickness...
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    adelady. Hi. Your Poste 24. I am aware you have to struggle with movement problems for a long time and you have my compassion in regards to this.

    However, my curiorosity(sic) has got the better of me. Did you sing professionly? With a Band perhaps? Or was your voice trained so that you could master Stage Performance?

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    Well, regarding the futon, you don't have to put it on the floor... that's just cheaper than buying a frame, and I'm in a small space so I fold it up. A frame bed would take up half my room.

    Yes, most people are stiff in general (not just when they're sleeping). Stiff and uncoordinated. Everybody goes to the gym to build those big stiff muscles and spend their lives in a perpetual cramp (and the ones who don't just get stiff from disuse). Youth corresponds with pliability, flexibility, softness. The hard bodies and minds which find themselves in trouble.
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    Or was your voice trained so that you could master Stage Performance?
    Stage. I didn't do a lot of individual performance on stage or with orchestra. Lots of choral and sacred though.
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    Thanks adelady. I've just cast seed into this years vegetable effort. About 3 and one half square metres. Racked in. The doves are after the seed already. Now this isbn't off Thread, because the seed casting is because I am no longer able to bend and twist because of my back and hil problems. So would not be able to look after stacking, tying, weeding. etc. So I am hoping mass seeding will result in mass seedlings which will result in mass plants which will result in some tomatoes, some cucumbers. some eggplant, some chilli, some peppers, some beans, etc, or nothing at all. Still, in my ignorance I am supremely confident of some result. Snail bait and keep up the watering is on the aggenda. May have to employ Pickers at Harvest Time. westwind.
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    Thanks adelady. I've just cast seed into this years vegetable effort. About 3 and one half square metres. Racked in. The doves are after the seed already. Now this isbn't off Thread, because the seed casting is because I am no longer able to bend and twist because of my back and hil problems. So would not be able to look after stacking, tying, weeding. etc. So I am hoping mass seeding will result in mass seedlings which will result in mass plants which will result in some tomatoes, some cucumbers. some eggplant, some chilli, some peppers, some beans, etc, or nothing at all. Still, in my ignorance I am supremely confident of some result. Snail bait and keep up the watering is on the aggenda. May have to employ Pickers at Harvest Time. westwind.
    Get some raised planter boxes or have some built. Much better if you can take care of your garden standing up.
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    That's too easy arKane. That's next Season when I can no longer cast my seed?. You don't really look like that do you arKane? It frightens the Hell out of me. westwind.
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    That's too easy arKane. That's next Season when I can no longer cast my seed?. You don't really look like that do you arKane? It frightens the Hell out of me. westwind.
    No not really, but on this forum I'm fond of the very ugly crazy look. I can actually talk crazy and get away with it.
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    I'm thinking about sleeping a water with a oxygen mask, or maybe a high pressure atmosphere environment.

    I fuggen hate soft mattresses, I prefer hard solid yet soft and comfy beds, and with no lumps.
    Lumps make me angry.
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