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  1. #1 What happens if a baby cant come out of the womb? 
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    I know that in the old days, infant mortality was higher and death of the mother was something that could sometimes occur (which sounds really strange for us now since in modern hospitals this almost never happens afaik).


    Ok, so lets say you crash land on an isolated tropical island with a pregnant woman, theres fruits, lobsters and food galore a spring and a natural shelter. No matter how much you might wish it werent so theres no help for months. But the woman is in labor, hours pass, and the baby is 100% stuck, no way in heck its ever coming out.

    Im guessing the baby's life is in danger, but how long can the woman live with a stuck baby in her uterus?

    As a last desperate measure, what would be survival thing to do to save the mother's life or the baby? (I assume without the mother's milk or other sources of milk the baby would not necessarily survive if the mother didnt, unless you can feed it coconut milk and fruit juices or something). Can you do nothing and the woman will live, or do you have to extract the baby for the mother to survive?


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    (I assume without the mother's milk or other sources of milk the baby would not necessarily survive if the mother didn't unless you can feed it coconut milk and fruit juices or something)
    Or find another women to feed the baby..."a wet nurse" which happened pretty often.


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    The woman would not live very long with a fetus stuck inside her. Once the birthing process has begun, the baby will not live overlong either in the case of dystocia.

    In the scenario you paint, there would be a greater chance of saving the mother than the baby if one were planning to intervene and had to make a choice.

    The same situation can present in horses.

    For this reason it is more difficult to reposition a foal of a mare that has been labor for a long time. This is why veterinarians who arrive after a substantial period of labor may have few alternatives other than Caesarean Section or fetotomy (dismemberment of the dead foal in the uterus).
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    The baby could (should?) end up using more aggressive methods: Alien: Alien Birth - YouTube
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    It might depend on the culture you're from.

    The advice to Jewish midwives a century or more ago was to save the mother, kill the baby and extract it - by dismembering if necessary.
    For most others that we know about there was the fairly rare option to try and save the baby by a crude form of Caesarean which would almost certainly kill the mother ..... or, more often, to let nature/god/fate take its course. Meaning that both would probably die, but intervention of some miracle of the divine/universe/fate could save one or the other if that's what the divine/universe/fate decreed.

    Of course, 'saving' the baby is entirely pointless if there's no other woman available to act as wet nurse.
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    Ceasarean section in the absence of modern medical support will almost certainly kill the mother. A responsible midwife would kill the infant if it could not be safely birthed, and most importanly she would do so without burdening the mother with the decision. It would be a simple, "I'm so sorry dear, we lost the baby." Given a choice, many mothers would chose to sacrifice themselves for their child, which would result in saving neither. This is a hard choice which we all should pray never to have to make. A live and sane woman can have and raise other children. The weight of the decision changes if there is societal support, wet nurse to foster the child, etc. Also a patriachal society may see the woman's life as less important than the life of the "heir".
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    Given a choice, many mothers would chose to sacrifice themselves for their child,
    Not necessarily. I remember reading a woman's report, years and years ago, of when she was in obstructed labour. The thing that broke her heart was hearing the doctor telling her husband that they didn't think they could save both mother and baby - what was his decision? Save the baby, save the baby was his response.

    Both mother and baby did survive. I'm not sure about the marriage.
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    Many times, in hospitals, they will ask the father if he is present due to the fact that, from a legal standpoint the woman could be considered "under duress" and therefore unable to make a rational logical decision. If I was in the described scenario I would have save the mother over the child. Here is my thinking. We are in a SURVIVAL situation. resources are limited even with adequate food shelter and water the goal is still rescue. The woman would be able to contribute to the overall survivability of the group where an infant would be a draw on resources as well as time.
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    I'd say, reproduction is a part of surviving, but sacrificing a woman to do so is stupid. Because there is no guarantee the child will even make it, even if it could be fed. In survival, save the woman. In luxury, you can save both. I wouldn't understand anyone who would pick a baby, over an adult female, in a survival situation.

    If the child and the mother are both saved, but the child has a defect.... i'd say ditch it, ASAP, and tell the mother it died. This makes things far easier..

    (i say defect, i mean anything that would prevent the child from ever taking care of itself)
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