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    Nope.

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    Yes, there is. Sleep deprivation causes all sorts of problems. Ultimately leading to mental disorder ad even death.
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    Is there a biological need for sleep?
    Absolutely yes, although the exact why of that need is still debated. Dolphins, for example, sleep with one side of their brain at a time. Think of the implications of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    Nope.

    Next idiotic question please...
    ?? Next idiotic answer please.

    Indeed, there is a need for sleep. It was tested on rats. And those rats died from stress in about 11-32 days from sleep deprivation.

    Sleep deprivation in the rat: III. Total sleep depriva... [Sleep. 1989] - PubMed - NCBI

    Sleep deprivation was used as a torture method by the CIA and the KGB. It was usefull as it was slow, and it was easily reversed (no long term side effects).

    Enhanced interrogation techniques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    This may surprise some... but I was actually aware of the need for sleep.

    What kind of sicko tortures creatures for 32 days just to proove that sleep is needed? I certainly won't be reading up on their work.

    If you want to know if sleep is needed then you could start by depriving yourself of sleep... that will give you all the answers you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Is there a biological need for sleep?
    Absolutely yes, although the exact why of that need is still debated. Dolphins, for example, sleep with one side of their brain at a time. Think of the implications of that.
    I have met some people who walk around like that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Sleep deprivation was used as a torture method by the CIA and the KGB. It was usefull as it was slow, and it was easily reversed (no long term side effects).
    Not strictly true. I understand in most cases it led to a permanent dislike of the CIA or KGB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
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    Nope.

    Next idiotic question please...
    ?? Next idiotic answer please.

    Indeed, there is a need for sleep. It was tested on rats. And those rats died from stress in about 11-32 days from sleep deprivation.

    Sleep deprivation in the rat: III. Total sleep depriva... [Sleep. 1989] - PubMed - NCBI

    Sleep deprivation was used as a torture method by the CIA and the KGB. It was usefull as it was slow, and it was easily reversed (no long term side effects).

    Enhanced interrogation techniques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Indeed, there is a need for sleep. It was tested on rats. And those rats died from stress in about 11-32 days from sleep deprivation
    You ask for next idiotic answer Zwolfer, but you should be a little peaved at the satement above. Can you imagine they did not try one rat for such a stupid test they tried rats.? And can you imagine it took them 11 to 32 days to torture the rats in the name of their own stupidity. I think I am blessed o mother father.
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    Do we have to sleep every night? Couldn't we just sleep for a week solid then stay awake for a fortnight?
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    Arthur T. Winfree wrote a great coffee table book about this. I say coffee table book, but there is a fair amount of math involved when discussing this topic. Anyway, it's called "The Timing of Biological Clocks" and it describes the mechanics of sleep (this is an older book, so out of date in some aspects, such as genetics, but it is uniquely written to be both scientific & accessible to the layperson). In regards to the question about needing sleep every night, there is certainly some variance across the human population. I had an uncle who would stay awake for a good 3 days solid and sleep for 20 hours. It depends a lot on the individual genetics & chemistry. But so far there are no humans that can go entirely without sleep. Here's a metaphor for the technologically inclined--imagine that every day you installed and uninstalled thousands of programs from your computer. You created and deleted thousands of word documents and excel files and images and movies, etc. Now how many days would it take for the computer to become completely fragmented? You would need to defrag that baby pretty frequently, wouldn't you? Probably every day. Similar idea with the human body. We are, sadly, limited by the laws of physics.
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    I think 3 days is all about I could manage I don't know why though.
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    Well, sleep is not just about the day-to-day. Actually there is strong evidence that many of our big picture life changes are related to sleep. For example, here is a recent article discussing how sleep affects the onset of puberty. [link]
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    I have been working graveyard shift for over seven years now and am a walking field study in sleep patterns. Previously I worked full time graveyard shift for over three years and then took a better job opportunity and now work three graveyards and two mornings. I have scheduled my work so that I spend half my week on a night schedule and the other half on a day schedule for the last 3 1/2 years. I have done a lot of research on the effects of graveyard shift and sleep deprivation.

    There are a number of body functions that take place while we are sleeping and only at certain times. The chief among these is healing and body repair. I found that extra sleep during daytime hours was not allowing my body to heal properly as my job is quite physically demanding. I dropped a couple of night shifts to allow me to get more sleep during the hours when healing takes place and that has made all the difference.

    Physical repair takes place while you’re sleeping, and it happens in the first half of the night – around 10pm-2am. If you skip those vital first few hours and hit the sack post-midnight with the alarm set for 6 or 7am, your body simply cannot rejuvenate your muscle cells, or indeed any of your cells. This leaves you physically weaker and with constant ailments.

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    A large, new study, for example, provides the latest in a flurry of evidence suggesting that the nation's obesity epidemic is being driven, at least in part, by a corresponding decrease in the average number of hours that Americans are sleeping, possibly by disrupting hormones that regulate appetite. The analysis of a nationally representative sample of nearly 10,000 adults found that those between the ages of 32 and 49 who sleep less than seven hours a night are significantly more likely to be obese.

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    If you sleep less, you have more time to eat, i guess. Ive never seen a sleeping guy eat anything. I bet the ones who sleep the least, drink the most as well. Haha.

    I am not sure how they prove that you need to be asleep at 10pm-2am to have physical repair. The total time, yes i believe that, but what does it matter if you sleep from (24 hours scale) 22 to 7 or from 2 to 11. In both cases you sleep 9 hours, where in both cases you mostly sleep when it's night, and when it's mostly dark. Where do they make this difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeLord View Post
    I think 3 days is all about I could manage I don't know why though.
    I think it is because we cannot live without dark energy. Don't trow me off the thread, I am a little crazy sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshuaL View Post
    Well, sleep is not just about the day-to-day. Actually there is strong evidence that many of our big picture life changes are related to sleep. For example, here is a recent article discussing how sleep affects the onset of puberty. [link]
    There is also a lot of evidence that sleep is important to learning - particularly for motor skills, surprisingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    If you sleep less, you have more time to eat, i guess. Ive never seen a sleeping guy eat anything. I bet the ones who sleep the least, drink the most as well. Haha.

    I am not sure how they prove that you need to be asleep at 10pm-2am to have physical repair. The total time, yes i believe that, but what does it matter if you sleep from (24 hours scale) 22 to 7 or from 2 to 11. In both cases you sleep 9 hours, where in both cases you mostly sleep when it's night, and when it's mostly dark. Where do they make this difference?
    I think the reason we know so little about sleep is owing to the fackt that it happens in the dark. I think that might be something to think about. Most people are afraid of the dark, black people, black magic, anything black or dark. The question, why is that? People are not conscious or at least not conscious enough to be aware of the sleep itself, although I personally think we should be conscious when we sleep. Do you know we spend more time in the dark than in the light?
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    I think the reason we know so little about sleep is owing to the fackt that it happens in the dark.
    Not really. People can easily sleep with enough light for their behaviour to be studied. Also, many things that are measured during/after/without sleep do not depend on light. Physiological state can be measured (heart rate, blood pressure, brain activity), levels of alertness, skill, etc. before and after sleep can be measured.

    For example, one thing that was discovered very early on in sleep research was that the period of rapid eye movement (REM sleep) was associated with dreaming. Initially, this was done by waking people at various times to check if they were dreaming. Now it can be done much less obtrusively by measuring things like brain activity that we know are related to the dreaming state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I have been working graveyard shift for over seven years now and am a walking field study in sleep patterns. Previously I worked full time graveyard shift for over three years and then took a better job opportunity and now work three graveyards and two mornings. I have scheduled my work so that I spend half my week on a night schedule and the other half on a day schedule for the last 3 1/2 years. I have done a lot of research on the effects of graveyard shift and sleep deprivation.

    There are a number of body functions that take place while we are sleeping and only at certain times. The chief among these is healing and body repair. I found that extra sleep during daytime hours was not allowing my body to heal properly as my job is quite physically demanding. I dropped a couple of night shifts to allow me to get more sleep during the hours when healing takes place and that has made all the difference.

    Physical repair takes place while you’re sleeping, and it happens in the first half of the night – around 10pm-2am. If you skip those vital first few hours and hit the sack post-midnight with the alarm set for 6 or 7am, your body simply cannot rejuvenate your muscle cells, or indeed any of your cells. This leaves you physically weaker and with constant ailments.

    Paul Chek, H.H.P, as stated in his book "How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy"
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    Scientists Finding Out What Losing Sleep Does to a Body
    I will listen to you any day because you have done the real research. I have also tried my hand at it and I have had noticed a whole lot of things related to sleeing, and waking. The point is I hardly think there is a way to study phenominon in the dark world, I mean where unawareness lies. I am wondering why the studies on the pineal gland is so limited but I guess its the same reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
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    If you sleep less, you have more time to eat, i guess. Ive never seen a sleeping guy eat anything. I bet the ones who sleep the least, drink the most as well. Haha.

    I am not sure how they prove that you need to be asleep at 10pm-2am to have physical repair. The total time, yes i believe that, but what does it matter if you sleep from (24 hours scale) 22 to 7 or from 2 to 11. In both cases you sleep 9 hours, where in both cases you mostly sleep when it's night, and when it's mostly dark. Where do they make this difference?
    I think the reason we know so little about sleep is owing to the fackt that it happens in the dark. I think that might be something to think about. Most people are afraid of the dark, black people, black magic, anything black or dark. The question, why is that? People are not conscious or at least not conscious enough to be aware of the sleep itself, although I personally think we should be conscious when we sleep. Do you know we spend more time in the dark than in the light?
    People tend to be afraid of what they don't know and for an imagined imminent danger they can't see. When you are secure in your own home, most people aren't afraid of the dark.

    I don't know why you conflate dark (absence of light) with dark (bad/obscure)? I am not afraid of anything black specifically, be it magic, people or whatever. Are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    I am wondering why the studies on the pineal gland is so limited but I guess its the same reason.
    It isn't limited. A quick search found 163,000 papers on pineal gland research. I'm sure there are many more.

    By "limited" do you mean "not finding the things I think they should"?
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    I think he gets confused with the idea that the Pineal gland is a third eye, like that with some ancient animals, like the Tuatara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    If you sleep less, you have more time to eat, i guess. Ive never seen a sleeping guy eat anything. I bet the ones who sleep the least, drink the most as well. Haha.

    I am not sure how they prove that you need to be asleep at 10pm-2am to have physical repair. The total time, yes i believe that, but what does it matter if you sleep from (24 hours scale) 22 to 7 or from 2 to 11. In both cases you sleep 9 hours, where in both cases you mostly sleep when it's night, and when it's mostly dark. Where do they make this difference?
    The reason it matters is because our circadian clock regulates the release of various hormones at different times of the day and night. Yes, you can rest at any hour of the day/night and some benefits will accrue, but without the aid of the appropriate hormones, the healing is slower and incomplete. There is quite a series of steps required to 'trick' our biological clock in order to endure extended graveyard shift.

    I do not even attempt to sleep between the hours of 10:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m, instead taking my rest somewhere between 3:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. which means that for three nghts a week I am not getting the benefit of my best healing sleep. I make up for this by getting as much sleep as my body wants on Sunday and Monday nights, which may be as little as 8 hours or as much as 13 hours. For me, this seems to work. On Tuesday and Wednesday nights, I usually get 6-7 hours rest, during the appropriate healing cycle.

    My bedroom window has been completely blocked out for over seven years so that when I rest it is in complete darkness. One wants to avoid being out in bright sunlight for a couple of hours before retiring and also one should avoid caffeinated beverages for at least 12 hours before sleeping.

    The circadian biological clock is controlled by a part of the brain called the Suprachiasmatic Nucleus (SCN), a group of cells in the hypothalamus that respond to light and dark signals. From the optic nerve of the eye, light travels to the SCN, signaling the internal clock that it is time to be awake. The SCN signals to other parts of the brain that control hormones, body temperature and other functions that play a role in making us feel sleepy or awake.

    In the mornings, with exposure to light, the SCN sends signals to raise body temperature and produce hormones like cortisol. The SCN also responds to light by delaying the release of other hormones like melatonin, which is associated with sleep onset and is produced when the eyes signal to the SCN that it is dark. Melatonin levels rise in the evening and stay elevated throughout the night, promoting sleep.
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    I think the reason we know so little about sleep is owing to the fackt that it happens in the dark.
    Not really. People can easily sleep with enough light for their behaviour to be studied. Also, many things that are measured during/after/without sleep do not depend on light. Physiological state can be measured (heart rate, blood pressure, brain activity), levels of alertness, skill, etc. before and after sleep can be measured.

    For example, one thing that was discovered very early on in sleep research was that the period of rapid eye movement (REM sleep) was associated with dreaming. Initially, this was done by waking people at various times to check if they were dreaming. Now it can be done much less obtrusively by measuring things like brain activity that we know are related to the dreaming state.

    Perhaps if you didn't live your life in the dark ...
    I am saying there are tests that has to do with darkness and unawareness that have proven difficult to measure because of the nature of sleep.

    Tests have been made but one would have to look at the questions asked of any study.

    Perhaps if you didn't live your life in the dark ...
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    I think he gets confused with the idea that the Pineal gland is a third eye, like that with some ancient animals, like the Tuatara.
    Confusion is not the name of my game, you say studies, I say repititions. At one point it was thought the pineal had no purpose, today it is very important. This information about the pineal organ has been there from the days of Isis, and Osiris. Do you know who that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
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    If you sleep less, you have more time to eat, i guess. Ive never seen a sleeping guy eat anything. I bet the ones who sleep the least, drink the most as well. Haha.

    I am not sure how they prove that you need to be asleep at 10pm-2am to have physical repair. The total time, yes i believe that, but what does it matter if you sleep from (24 hours scale) 22 to 7 or from 2 to 11. In both cases you sleep 9 hours, where in both cases you mostly sleep when it's night, and when it's mostly dark. Where do they make this difference?
    I think the reason we know so little about sleep is owing to the fackt that it happens in the dark. I think that might be something to think about. Most people are afraid of the dark, black people, black magic, anything black or dark. The question, why is that? People are not conscious or at least not conscious enough to be aware of the sleep itself, although I personally think we should be conscious when we sleep. Do you know we spend more time in the dark than in the light?
    People tend to be afraid of what they don't know and for an imagined imminent danger they can't see. When you are secure in your own home, most people aren't afraid of the dark.

    I don't know why you conflate dark (absence of light) with dark (bad/obscure)? I am not afraid of anything black specifically, be it magic, people or whatever. Are you?
    I think you might have your head in the sand just a little, you need to pull it out a tat to know that so many bad thigs are equated with black because of fear.

    There is no danger in light or dark but in people. Why do people not know darkness, we live with it, sleep with it, think in it, whats the problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    I am saying there are tests that has to do with darkness and unawareness that have proven difficult to measure because of the nature of sleep.
    Can you give any specific examples?

    I am getting used to your little jabs, they tickle because I think you are the joker you do not want to be.
    Well, I like to think I am a joker. But others don't seem to think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    At one point it was thought the pineal had no purpose, today it is very important.
    I doubt it was ever though to have no function. Quite probably the function was not understood.

    This information about the pineal organ has been there from the days of Isis, and Osiris.
    What information? Are you saying that the ancient Egyptians knew about melatonin and the pineal influence on circadian rhythm and reproduction?

    Or are you talking about some other function?

    Do you know who that is?
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    What information? Are you saying that the ancient Egyptians knew about melatonin and the pineal influence on circadian rhythm and reproduction?
    They knew that the pineal was the seat or eye to the inner world. Some scientist call it dark matter, some call it eye of Isis. Some say it is the organ that produces melanin a very improtant substance for the dream world. have you not read anything about that?
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    I am saying there are tests that has to do with darkness and unawareness that have proven difficult to measure because of the nature of sleep.
    Can you give any specific examples?

    I am getting used to your little jabs, they tickle because I think you are the joker you do not want to be.
    Well, I like to think I am a joker. But others don't seem to think so.
    Every one has some kind of humor, even if you dont have a spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    Some scientist call it dark matter, some call it eye of Isis.
    Do they? Can you name one?

    Some say it is the organ that produces melanin a very improtant substance for the dream world. have you not read anything about that?
    Melatonin. (Melanin is the dark pigment in the skin.) Yes, I have heard that. In fact, I have told you that that is the function of the pineal gland several times. It regulates sleep patterns (and reproduction). It is not clear that it has any direct relation to dreams, apart from adjusting when we fall asleep.
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    If you sleep less, you have more time to eat, i guess. Ive never seen a sleeping guy eat anything. I bet the ones who sleep the least, drink the most as well. Haha.

    I am not sure how they prove that you need to be asleep at 10pm-2am to have physical repair. The total time, yes i believe that, but what does it matter if you sleep from (24 hours scale) 22 to 7 or from 2 to 11. In both cases you sleep 9 hours, where in both cases you mostly sleep when it's night, and when it's mostly dark. Where do they make this difference?
    I think the reason we know so little about sleep is owing to the fackt that it happens in the dark. I think that might be something to think about. Most people are afraid of the dark, black people, black magic, anything black or dark. The question, why is that? People are not conscious or at least not conscious enough to be aware of the sleep itself, although I personally think we should be conscious when we sleep. Do you know we spend more time in the dark than in the light?
    People tend to be afraid of what they don't know and for an imagined imminent danger they can't see. When you are secure in your own home, most people aren't afraid of the dark.

    I don't know why you conflate dark (absence of light) with dark (bad/obscure)? I am not afraid of anything black specifically, be it magic, people or whatever. Are you?
    I think you might have your head in the sand just a little, you need to pull it out a tat to know that so many bad thigs are equated with black because of fear.

    There is no danger in light or dark but in people. Why do people not know darkness, we live with it, sleep with it, think in it, whats the problem with it.
    What are you talking about? Are you a mystic or something? What does "Why do people not know darkness" mean?

    You say "so many things are equated with black because of fear". What things? Why black? Why fear?

    Is it possible for you to construct a single unambiguous sentence?
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    I personally get 6 hours sleep a night. I try to sleep as little as possible. You can sleep long enough when you're dead.
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    Body_Fortress, that's about what I get. Wish I didn't even need that!
    If you read any of Winfree's work you will see something very peculiar. What they did was take a volunteer and completely remove all natural light. They were in a room in a bunker underground. The volunteer had a bedroom, bathroom, lights (just no windows) and some very old magazines and newspapers. No clocks or way to tell time at all. He had games and books and other things to keep himself amused. When he got tired, he slept. When he was done sleeping, he awoke. What they found was that without natural light cues (or buzzing alarm clocks) the volunteers sleep pattern quickly left the 6 - 8 hour norm. One night he'd sleep for 5 hours. Then he''d sleep for 13 hours. And with no way to tell how long it had been, the volunteer reported feeling that he'd got about 8 hours every time! The weird part is that when they tried mapping the sleep durations, looking for a pattern, at first they couldn't find anything, but they eventually discovered that the duration of sleep depended on the phase at which the volunteer woke the previous night. They similar had a blind volunteer for whom they did not need use of the bunker. Instead they mapped his cycles and found that "when the subject lived in his usual environment of home, work, drugs, and alarm clocks, sleep was fragmented and work time was interspersed with naps. [When] he made no attempt to maintain a 24-hour cycle his innate 24.8-hour cycle stands out" and is smooth and uninterrupted by naps. They also found that there is a "forbidden zone" in the sleep cycle during which it is very difficult to wake from, and if one does wake at this point they will be horrendously tired regardless of how long they've already slept. So if they slept 8 hours but happened to be in the forbidden zone of a sleep cycle when the alarm went off... dear lord have mercy. And if they only slept 6 hours, but they awoke at the end of a cycle, all was well!

    Edit: I haven't even mentioned the 3 dimensional model of sleep phases--too much math--but you can see it on the cover of the book [link].
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    I personally get 6 hours sleep a night. I try to sleep as little as possible. You can sleep long enough when you're dead.
    I prefer quality over quantity.

    The quality of my work diminishes proportionally to my sleep. I also hate being tired, so I'd rather get a full 8 hours and go the entire day without yawning than having to plow through my day just because I wanted to experience that extra 2 hours of having my eyes open. I define 'living' in a slightly different manner than you. Either that or you physically require less sleep to operate. I don't know about the biological differences between individuals when it comes to sleep requirements. They may not be universal. Dunno.
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    Coincidentally, the Vancouver Sun newspaper ran an article on sleep just yesterday.

    Researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Centre found that "sleep debt" built up during the week can only be recovered by going to bed eight hours before our usual wake-up time - and not by going to bed later and getting up later. The circadian cycle, which controls our body clock, can be completely offset by a change in sleep pattern (such as a late night or lying in), making it difficult to get to sleep on Sunday night and even harder to wake up for work the next day. It can take a few days before the balance is reset by returning to our regular sleep schedule.
    Studies also suggest that at least some of our sleep difficulties and fatigue may be attributable to the blue light given off by the high intensity LED lighting of many of the electronic devices in everyday use, notably smart phones, tablets and e-readers. The blue light from these devices suppresses melatonin production in the brain and should be avoided for two hours prior to retiring.

    A new study by the Lighting Research Centre, at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in New York State, published last week, identified how exposure to certain types of light can disrupt our sleep. Researchers confirmed that "blue light" from the screens of smart-phones, tablet computers and eread-ers is particularly detrimental - especially when we're exposed to it two hours before bed. It suppresses melatonin, a hormone our brains produce during the hours of darkness, which tricks us into thinking it is daytime and makes us feel more alert. "By exposing ourselves to high-intensity LED lighting at night, we are activating the brain and making it harder to sleep," explains Steven Lockley, assistant professor of medicine at Harvard University and co-author of Sleep: A Very Short Introduction. "You should never take a laptop or mobile phone to bed, as the quality of sleep you have afterwards will leave you tired the next day."


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    If you sleep less, you have more time to eat, i guess. Ive never seen a sleeping guy eat anything. I bet the ones who sleep the least, drink the most as well. Haha.

    I am not sure how they prove that you need to be asleep at 10pm-2am to have physical repair. The total time, yes i believe that, but what does it matter if you sleep from (24 hours scale) 22 to 7 or from 2 to 11. In both cases you sleep 9 hours, where in both cases you mostly sleep when it's night, and when it's mostly dark. Where do they make this difference?
    I think the reason we know so little about sleep is owing to the fackt that it happens in the dark. I think that might be something to think about. Most people are afraid of the dark, black people, black magic, anything black or dark. The question, why is that? People are not conscious or at least not conscious enough to be aware of the sleep itself, although I personally think we should be conscious when we sleep. Do you know we spend more time in the dark than in the light?
    People tend to be afraid of what they don't know and for an imagined imminent danger they can't see. When you are secure in your own home, most people aren't afraid of the dark.

    I don't know why you conflate dark (absence of light) with dark (bad/obscure)? I am not afraid of anything black specifically, be it magic, people or whatever. Are you?
    I think you might have your head in the sand just a little, you need to pull it out a tat to know that so many bad thigs are equated with black because of fear.

    There is no danger in light or dark but in people. Why do people not know darkness, we live with it, sleep with it, think in it, whats the problem with it.
    What are you talking about? Are you a mystic or something? What does "Why do people not know darkness" mean?

    You say "so many things are equated with black because of fear". What things? Why black? Why fear?

    Is it possible for you to construct a single unambiguous sentence?
    What are you talking about? Are you a mystic or something? What does "Why do people not know darkness" mean?
    Yes I am a mystic and everything else that come with life, I suspect you are too but you might not know it.
    You said people are afraid of what they do not know, and I am asking why would they be afraid of darkness because it is the same as light. There are so many people in the world that cannot sleep with the lights off because they are afraid. If you ask them of what they cannot tell you.
    The dark is mystifying and secretive and people make images of their fear through the color black.

    You say "so many things are equated with black because of fear". What things? Why black? Why fear?
    I already told you some of the things. I do not k now why black, and I do not know why fear. It is quite interesting to know that we do more things in the dark than in the light especilly thinking.

    Is it possible for you to construct a single unambiguous sentence?
    I try hard, but you don't seem to do much better yourself.
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    There are so many people in the world that cannot sleep with the lights off because they are afraid.
    Evolutionary carryover from the days when we were hunted by nocturnal predators and our senses were not equipped to handle darkness adequately.

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    It is quite interesting to know that we do more things in the dark than in the light especilly thinking.
    Our senses compensate for others. Our vision is poor in the dark so our auditory and possibly olfactory senses take over. You might equate this to "thinking" since you are more cognisant of the information you are taking on. Also, our brains tend to be more active when we rest, so this could possibly equate to a sense that we are 'thinking' more at night. However, I am not a neurologist so I cannot expand more upon the activities in which our brain partakes during sleep.
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    Do we have to sleep every night? Couldn't we just sleep for a week solid then stay awake for a fortnight?
    yes
    manic depressives do it often
    however
    after several days of no sleep, the conscious mind ceases control
    creating the perception of insanity by anyone witnessing their behaviours.
    some of our greatest warriors(eg: Custer and Napolean) had the ability to stay awake and functional for days on end, then sleep for 3 days or so.
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    I personally get 6 hours sleep a night. I try to sleep as little as possible. You can sleep long enough when you're dead.
    I prefer quality over quantity.

    The quality of my work diminishes proportionally to my sleep. I also hate being tired, so I'd rather get a full 8 hours and go the entire day without yawning than having to plow through my day just because I wanted to experience that extra 2 hours of having my eyes open. I define 'living' in a slightly different manner than you. Either that or you physically require less sleep to operate. I don't know about the biological differences between individuals when it comes to sleep requirements. They may not be universal. Dunno.

    I used to be wrecked when getting up early, but now I've adapted so well to it that my day is a lot more productive on less sleep, no tiredness at all. Our bodies truly are all different.
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    There are so many people in the world that cannot sleep with the lights off because they are afraid.
    Evolutionary carryover from the days when we were hunted by nocturnal predators and our senses were not equipped to handle darkness adequately.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    It is quite interesting to know that we do more things in the dark than in the light especilly thinking.
    Our senses compensate for others. Our vision is poor in the dark so our auditory and possibly olfactory senses take over. You might equate this to "thinking" since you are more cognisant of the information you are taking on. Also, our brains tend to be more active when we rest, so this could possibly equate to a sense that we are 'thinking' more at night. However, I am not a neurologist so I cannot expand more upon the activities in which our brain partakes during sleep.
    Here again I have to ask you what do you mean, our vision is poor in the dark, what vision are you talking about? You can draw up anything from memory and visual it perfectly in the dark. The truth is the difference in the same thought in the brain is the light and dark. Why do you think people say to some one who they deem unconcentrated, to close their eyes and concentrate? Why should there be a difference in the depth of thought when the only change is light.?

    Another question, how do we store dark energy, and what part of dark is light if everthing is connected?
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    Why do you think people say to some one who they deem unconcentrated, to close their eyes and concentrate?
    To reduce external distractions?

    Another question, how do we store dark energy
    We don't. I'm not even sure what you mean by "dark energy". Do you mean the (unidentified) mechanism that is accelerating the expansion of the universe. Or something more mystical you have invented?

    , and what part of dark is light if everthing is connected?
    Huh? Dark is the absence of light. That's all.
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    after several days of no sleep, the conscious mind ceases control
    creating the perception of insanity by anyone witnessing their behaviours.
    I know from experience that when I have been awake for more than about forty five hours I become paranoid. Even although I know logically that these feelings are a consequence of lack of sleep it does not alter their powerfull impact.
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    I have never gone more than about 30 hrs. At a certain point I could really tell that my brain was not firing on all cylinders. Funny thing was that I didn't even feel tired! Of course, I had only to lay down and close my eyes and I was out like a light. :P
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    Why do you think people say to some one who they deem unconcentrated, to close their eyes and concentrate?
    To reduce external distractions?

    Another question, how do we store dark energy
    We don't. I'm not even sure what you mean by "dark energy". Do you mean the (unidentified) mechanism that is accelerating the expansion of the universe. Or something more mystical you have invented?

    , and what part of dark is light if everthing is connected?




    Huh? Dark is the absence of light. That's all.
    To reduce external distractions?
    People say that even if it is quiet as nature, there seems to be something more than what you are suggesting. I think the change of light has to do with the depth of thought or concentration. (Another of my mystical ideas.)

    We don't. I'm not even sure what you mean by "dark energy".
    How can you say we do not store it if you do not know what it is.? I think when we go to sleep we store some sort of energy, that we know for sure. The question is, we know we go to a dark place to store energy, we may not identify the type of energy, we just know we store it. Black/Dark, Blue, Red, or Green, what is the nature of this energy?. I want to ask if dark is the absence of light, then light must be the absence of dark, are you saying both creates itself?
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    I have never gone more than about 30 hrs. At a certain point I could really tell that my brain was not firing on all cylinders. Funny thing was that I didn't even feel tired! Of course, I had only to lay down and close my eyes and I was out like a light. :P
    You obviously ran out of energy, I think you tanked up on energy through sleep, sleep is in a dark place. What type of energy do you think you tanked up on? I know it is in a dark place where the energy is produced, could we call it dark energy?
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    after several days of no sleep, the conscious mind ceases control
    creating the perception of insanity by anyone witnessing their behaviours.
    I know from experience that when I have been awake for more than about forty five hours I become paranoid. Even although I know logically that these feelings are a consequence of lack of sleep it does not alter their powerfull impact.
    We are talking about a fuel that you need to mentain continued mental ability. Body energy comes from food to move muscles and bone.
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    Some insomniacs can go weeks without sleep.
    Thats it, after some time they must go to the dark world to get dark energy. Mind you I am using a term that is not yet quite understood but I have proof that I get energy from that place. After this dark experience I am full of energy and ready to go.
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    Some insomniacs can go weeks without sleep.
    Thats it, after some time they must go to the dark world to get dark energy. Mind you I am using a term that is not yet quite understood but I have proof that I get energy from that place. After this dark experience I am full of energy and ready to go.
    You mean you sleep and rest? You are talking nonsense, again!

    I am getting seriously tired of this magic speak you employ the whole time. Really. Tired.
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    What really happens to peoples brain from lack of sleep?
    Can they die?
    Does anyone know anything about anyone dying from sleep deprevation? What killed them?
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    Some insomniacs can go weeks without sleep.
    Thats it, after some time they must go to the dark world to get dark energy. Mind you I am using a term that is not yet quite understood but I have proof that I get energy from that place. After this dark experience I am full of energy and ready to go.
    You mean you sleep and rest? You are talking nonsense, again!

    I am getting seriously tired of this magic speak you employ the whole time. Really. Tired.
    Please don't start this again, yes I mean sleep and rest, because I have run out of energy, where is the nonsence?
    Dont worry we share the same opinion, how ever since you cannot change and I also cannot change I will tollerate you and hope you tollerate me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
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    Some insomniacs can go weeks without sleep.
    Thats it, after some time they must go to the dark world to get dark energy. Mind you I am using a term that is not yet quite understood but I have proof that I get energy from that place. After this dark experience I am full of energy and ready to go.
    You mean you sleep and rest? You are talking nonsense, again!

    I am getting seriously tired of this magic speak you employ the whole time. Really. Tired.
    Please don't start this again, yes I mean sleep and rest, because I have run out of energy, where is the nonsence?
    Dont worry we share the same opinion, how ever since you cannot change and I also cannot change I will tollerate you and hope you tollerate me.
    Can't you just talk like a normal person then, instead of saying things like "dark energy" and "dark world"? The more precise and free of confusing metaphors and mystic terminology your language is, the more often we will have a clue as to what you are trying to say. Understand how that works?
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    I want to ask if dark is the absence of light, then light must be the absence of dark, are you saying both creates itself?
    This is the sort of idiotic comment that really annoys people. Please try and talk sense.

    We know what light is. Dark is simply the absence of light. It does not "create itself".

    "Dry" is not some mysterious counterpart to water; it is just the absence of water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post

    Here again I have to ask you what do you mean, our vision is poor in the dark, what vision are you talking about? You can draw up anything from memory and visual it perfectly in the dark. The truth is the difference in the same thought in the brain is the light and dark. Why do you think people say to some one who they deem unconcentrated, to close their eyes and concentrate? Why should there be a difference in the depth of thought when the only change is light.?

    Another question, how do we store dark energy, and what part of dark is light if everthing is connected?
    I don't actually know what any of this means.
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    I hope you didn't spend to long looking at some those examples, enough to give you nightmares.
    hey, but at least then you would be asleep...

    It is a pretty unpleasant disease (I deliberately didn't actually read the Wikipedia page). I assume the inability to sleep is just another symptom rather than being the actual cause of death.
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    Some insomniacs can go weeks without sleep.
    Thats it, after some time they must go to the dark world to get dark energy. Mind you I am using a term that is not yet quite understood but I have proof that I get energy from that place. After this dark experience I am full of energy and ready to go.
    You mean you sleep and rest? You are talking nonsense, again!

    I am getting seriously tired of this magic speak you employ the whole time. Really. Tired.
    Please don't start this again, yes I mean sleep and rest, because I have run out of energy, where is the nonsence?
    Dont worry we share the same opinion, how ever since you cannot change and I also cannot change I will tollerate you and hope you tollerate me.
    Can't you just talk like a normal person then, instead of saying things like "dark energy" and "dark world"? The more precise and free of confusing metaphors and mystic terminology your language is, the more often we will have a clue as to what you are trying to say. Understand how that works?
    I have no idea what is wrong with you guys, it is all over the internet about dark energy, black holes, dark matter, why are you so upset when I say that I go to a dark place when I need energy. Don't you understand to sleep I go to a dark place where I am not conscous of the phenomenon taking place.

    Why do you think I understand some of the nonsense you come up with. You seem to have a problem following the jest of the thread and insist on blaming it on others. You are rejecting everything you do not understand instead of saying you do not understand it.
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    Here again I have to ask you what do you mean, our vision is poor in the dark, what vision are you talking about? You can draw up anything from memory and visual it perfectly in the dark. The truth is the difference in the same thought in the brain is the light and dark. Why do you think people say to some one who they deem unconcentrated, to close their eyes and concentrate? Why should there be a difference in the depth of thought when the only change is light.?

    Another question, how do we store dark energy, and what part of dark is light if everthing is connected?
    I don't actually know what any of this means.
    Fair enough, if you don't know what I mean, but I find it kind of strange that you cannot grasp the things I am saying when it is coming from life. I don't live in a vacuum and I attended school and did very well. Maybe you guys are not so sharp as you think you are, or maybe you have not thought of some of the things I am saying. You are too busy trying to maintain the status quo where you are the sole teachers. I seem to be doing better than you interpreting your giberish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    I have no idea what is wrong with you guys, it is all over the internet about dark energy, black holes, dark matter
    That is nothing to do with sleep. Or even darkness.
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    I have no idea what is wrong with you guys, it is all over the internet about dark energy, black holes, dark matter
    That is nothing to do with sleep. Or even darkness.
    I have no idea what you want from me. You reject it when I say I see black, you cannot tell me what I should say I see. When I say I see you say I don't see. I don't think the problem is so much with me as some of you have not given the things I bring to the forum much thought and you are not that spontanious, although I think you Strage are somewaht more tollerant than most. You give me ideas and tell me to try them and I do, when I do the same you say my ideas are stupid but you don't try them. Come on man you guys have to be a little more deeper. I am talking to you because I hope you will understand me and I you, I find fun in dialog, instead I have to be dodging all sorts of comments and ignorant misiles comming at me.


    I have emensly enjoyed the last threads with you Strange because you have eased up somewhat with turning people away from the forum and actually desided to look at what I am asking and saying. You are doing much better at communicating than when I started this thread because I am the proof telling you that truth.

    Sometimes we do not recognise what we had untill we have lost it. We have a saying here that "everthing is everything". It simply means everthing is connected to everything, so you are as wise as you are stupid, good as you are bad, as deep as you are shallow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    You reject it when I say I see black
    I haven't done that. If you look at something black (or close your eyes) you will see black.

    When I say I see you say I don't see.
    No I don't.

    But none of that is an answer to my comment that "dark energy, black holes, dark matter" have absolutely nothing to do with sleep.
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    I want to ask if dark is the absence of light, then light must be the absence of dark, are you saying both creates itself?
    This is the sort of idiotic comment that really annoys people. Please try and talk sense.

    We know what light is. Dark is simply the absence of light. It does not "create itself".

    "Dry" is not some mysterious counterpart to water; it is just the absence of water.
    Dry can opperate on its own, water can opperate on its own, light and dark cannot. Do you understand what I mean?
    Maybe I should chew it up for you. Water goes into the rag and makes the rag wet, dry goes into the rag by way of heat and removes the water to some place else.
    I think part of the problem is, if you could oncover your spirit you might be able to understand some of what I am saying. I do not think the miscommunication is only based on the language barrier but on the angle of our perception of what is.

    This is the sort of idiotic comment that really annoys people. Please try and talk sense.
    This is the type of statements that shows up your ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother/father View Post
    dry goes into the rag
    Sigh. Hopeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    dry goes into the rag
    Sigh. Hopeless.
    Yeah i know what you mean.

    Reading that gave me cancer...
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Yeah i know what you mean.

    Reading that gave me cancer...
    If you close your eyes you can purge the darkness in your spirit that allowed this to happen. If you don't understand what I mean then that is because your material and spiritual composition has unbalanced the light-dark dichotomy.
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    I would argue that wet cannot exist without dry. If we do not know the absence of wet, wet would not be wet. It would just be normal.

    Crap, now I sound like a street preacher.
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    I can relate to one of MF's comments... Dark is the absence of light, but from our personal perspectives is there ever dark? I mean true dark, complete blackness? No, because even in our minds eye with our eye lids shut we see the 'appearance' of lights/colours to lesser or greater degrees.

    Most of us struggle to concentrate on any bright and clear images in 'the minds eye' (or imagination)... but others have reported seeing really bright light when closing their eyes... be it a spiritual experience or merely the functioning of the brain/retina etc etc is beside the point for me.

    It reminds me of that question about a tree falling with nobody to witness it, does it make a sound? If we connot witness complete blackness does it really exist? I'm not saying thinking too much about either question is time well spent, but they are both the same principle... aren't they?

    Come to think of it... is there anything that does not contain moisture to some tiny degree? I admit i'm a simple guy, but for all I know hydrogen and oxygen are made from the same stuff as carbon?... Carbon does have a boiling point interestingly.
    Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen are supposed to be made from the same nuetrons/protons and electrons as each other.

    Though I suppose wetness is probably only usually associated with H2O molecules... ... and... internet sci fi geeks etc. etc.

    It's been lovely to meet you all, have learnt a few things... now must take a little break for my own peace of mind.

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    Yeah i know what you mean.

    Reading that gave me cancer...
    If you close your eyes you can purge the darkness in your spirit that allowed this to happen. If you don't understand what I mean then that is because your material and spiritual composition has unbalanced the light-dark dichotomy.
    ?

    You said darkness is absence of light. Spirit does not have a surface, so it can not be light, only abscent of light, the thing you call darkness. This means you can not lose darkness, because there will always be abscence of light on a surfaceless object..
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    It's an evolution patern where animals who slept at night also kept quiet and thus, avoided night predators. Chemists are working on a drug formulation to remove such biological need, it might be undoable. I don't know about you but I want those 8 hours a day...badly.
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    Hmm, a few days ago I was wondering if there has been any research trying to connect the affects meditation with the affects sleep.. Has anybody come across such material (that is respectable)?
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    meditation can easily be used to replace much of the dream state(rem)
    as well as quiet and calm the body, produce alpha waves, etc. ...
    and thereby serves as a partial replacement for sleep.
    That being said:
    most meditators still sleep
    just for shorter periods
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    Dry can opperate on its own, water can opperate on its own, light and dark cannot.

    Mother/father knock off the light/dark/dark energy narrative, it contributes nothing to this thread.
    Giving you a few days to think about it.
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    Google Scholar returned 97,000 hits for the query: sleep meditation. A glance through a few of the early pages suggests several articles that may address your interest.

    Peculiar. This, when posted, followed stander-j's post, to whom it is directed. Now it is separated. (Perhaps it is the effect of dark energy.)
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    What?

    Does dark energy really fit in here?

    And i don't think that meditation influences sleep directly. I do think that if your more at ease, due to meditation, you'll sleep sooner and maybe deeper.

    ScienceDirect.com - Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews - The physiology of meditation: A review. A wakeful hypometabolic integrated response

    This is a respectable article, i didn't read it.. but it might be interesting (glanced it)
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Does dark energy really fit in here?
    Of course it doesn't. That's why I was taking the piss.
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    Twice now you have fallen for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Twice now you have fallen for it.
    are you guys actually keeping score on me?

    How cute. You can come to my soccer practice ..
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeLord View Post
    Is there a biological need for sleep?
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    Is there a biological need for sleep?
    Although science has yet to answer the question of why we need sleep, there is plenty of research that demonstrates that we are less healthy and prone to injury when we do not get enough sleep.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...p-is-important

    There is becoming an observed correlation between obesity and sleep deficit and drowsy driving contributes to a significant number of automobile accidents.

    This 6 minute video is worth the time, in my opinion.

    http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/..._matters/qt-hi
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Google Scholar returned 97,000 hits for the query: sleep meditation. A glance through a few of the early pages suggests several articles that may address your interest.

    Peculiar. This, when posted, followed stander-j's post, to whom it is directed. Now it is separated. (Perhaps it is the effect of dark energy.)
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    meditation can easily be used to replace much of the dream state(rem)
    as well as quiet and calm the body, produce alpha waves, etc. ...
    and thereby serves as a partial replacement for sleep.
    That being said:
    most meditators still sleep
    just for shorter periods
    Thank-you both for the responses.
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