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  1. #1 Lower Back Problems. Just ( three ) here. 
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    OK. So there are 1003 LBP. And there is one common one. Sciatica. As someone who is ( unfortunately), well aware of the type of Pain experienced by people who present all the time with the all to common ""Quote "" my back is killing me Doc "" End Quote, I have now a handle on at least my problem. For what it is worth to your understanding of your own condition, here goes. ( Hope this might save you time and money in the Future. ). ( 1 ). Spinal Stenosis. Layman's Talk. Worn out lower Spinal Units and Assemblies. Just plain bloody worn out. Slipping and sliding all over the place. Notches and Nudules and eaten away bone. Poor old Bloody Spinal Cord with all its 1000 Nerve wires getting pulled, twisted. squashed, compressed, stretched, rubbed, torn, and inflamed. And thats while you are lying in bed.

    Don't, for Gwaords sake get amourous with yourself or that other person sharing your bed with you. ( then, again, it could be a destraction. ). Why has your lower Spinal Cord deteriorated?? Ask 128 Doctors and they will all have a different Diagnonis. And all those lovely expensive MRIS--X-RAYS--ULTRA SOUNDS--CUT OPEN WITH A SCAPEL AND LETS HAVE A LOOK.. aHHHH, You have Spinal Stenosis. Bloody marvellous. OK Do, can you help me? Well--lllll, there's always Aspro, and of course all the other over the counter PAIN MANAGEMENT type of things. Yes, I've been there Doc. That stuff might be ok for a mild headache or a smack in the mouth for not having the tea on the table, but what we are talking about here is smashed verterbre or equivilent, the sought of thing when two trains collide on a single track. I n otherwords, a Train Wreck. Now, anything stronger than Aspro?

    No, well I'm wasting my time here. And you are. At least try and fix the chook house so that the foxes can't get in. You do this yourself. You tie a rope over a sturdy tree branch and have your cobbers haul you up tied by the ankles. Get my Drift? AAHHH, this certainly helps. like a form of extended traction. The heavier you are the more gaps between the Verterbrae. Still, you can't hang around here all day. I'm not going to go on. I've done all this over 30 years. Find your own bloody mechanical relief by trail and error. You'll never beat it but by Guward you will at least be manageing your own personal condition, and you will rejoice at every little bit of improvement. YOU WILL IMPROVE, BUT IT WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. Trial and error.

    Now you have stopped feeling sorry for yourself, ( this never really happens ), but at least you have put yourself in command. And let everyone around you know that you are doing fine and wll they please FXXK off and leave you alone. If they want to help, tell them to get the BBQ out. You'll cook the steak. They can do the cleaning up. The garden needs digging, ring these self expressed friends, come on over, the garden needs digging. See, my backs FXXKED, you understand of course, and I know you wouldn't want me to do further damage, would you? This approach sorts things out. No pussing footing about. You want to know whoá with you and who you will never see again. Be agreessive. Fix this problem with your back yourself. I sit on this Computer half the day. Cushions and all. Correct posture for me, my personal comfort. Up for a crouched walk to the Micro-wave for coffee and a laugh at the cat. Then i might throw myself on the bottom of the bed crossways, stomach down position, for five minutes.. Little routines like thos 24/7. OK. That solved the Spinal Stenosis problem.

    I'll open another Thread on the other two back references I have for you/ referring to this one. This is enough for now. westwind.


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    Lower back problems? That's yet another "error" in our evolution. Partly exacerbated by modern civilised comfort.

    If we spent far more of our lives squatting on our haunches rather than sitting with pressure on that lowest area of the back, we'd be a bit better off. I'm half inclined to the idea that we might do better to get children off chairs for the first 5 or 10 years and insist on them squatting or something (sitting cross-legged is not the best thing for many, even though it does relieve lower back pressure it's not so marvelous for other structural development.)

    But even people who've never seen a chair can have lower back problems, so there are no guarantees.


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    I developed my lower back problem through hard graft... I should be able to sue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    If we spent far more of our lives squatting on our haunches rather than sitting with pressure on that lowest area of the back, we'd be a bit better off. I'm half inclined to the idea that we might do better to get children off chairs for the first 5 or 10 years and insist on them squatting or something (sitting cross-legged is not the best thing for many, even though it does relieve lower back pressure it's not so marvelous for other structural development.)
    Have you come across any data showing that there is less incidence of back pain in Japan? Having spent many happy hours sitting on the floor with friends, it certainly feels better than standing for hours in an English-style pub.
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    Back problems I know all about that. I have been out of work now for 8 months because of my bad back. They said it was a herniated disc, this could be or maybe something else. It seems everyone I talked to about it has a slipped disc but they have no pain. At first I thought it was because I worked so much over the past 20 years. Now I beginning to suspect my chosen form of occupation (histology). I sit a lot while being hunched over and using a dangerous heavy piece of equipment. This coupled with not getting the breaks I should contributes to this condition. What can you do about it? Well just change your entire lifestyle, your job or how you work standing verses sitting. Laying down a lot helps although I can not do this a work. I find it kind of funny, when I first had it happen, I thought no problem I will be back to work in a week. Well I can work now just not in histology, and not for too long.

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    For Histologistis. Sorry about your Back Pain. I know when I was sitting down working allday my lower back pain was always there. I asked through the right channels to have an articulated Chair similar to what the office typist was using. No. Everybody will want one. Thanks for nothing. I lasted another 14 months before one day surprising a senior officer by leaping upon him and bashing his head on the floor. Homicidal maniac I think was their first diagnosis. Shit happens. So back pain, if it interferes with your Quality of Life to that extent, that it slowly but surely reduces you to a self pitying idiot who loses the plot, then you are better off with a metal detector on a 590 mile beach that you have all to yourself for 5/6 years. A good rest on soft yielding sand while getting exercise to suit. Myetheripists( sic ). Muscle / bone/ skeletal people are good to talktoo. Get the facts man. But do not follow their well meant advice on exercising. Their advice is almost impossible to get enthused about. Find and develope your own limited exercise routine, one that you body says to you OK, but gently now.We'll try again tomorrow. Believe strongly, that with the facts placed before you, accurate diagnonis and assessment by someone who cares, and then with your own trial and error exercises, that you will obtain a quality of life that you can accept. Setbacks will happen, but you can limit them by demanding from those who may care about you, that they will have to share the workload , heavy, while you will be prepared to stack the dishes in the dish washer etc etc,. Trade off the damaging stuff against doing some of the standing up easy stuff for them. No vacumming!!!. westwind.
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    No vacumming, lol. I am seeing your point about developing my own regiment for exercise. I have been through trial and error now for many months and will continue until I find the right combination. Thanks for the comfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    If we spent far more of our lives squatting on our haunches rather than sitting with pressure on that lowest area of the back, we'd be a bit better off. I'm half inclined to the idea that we might do better to get children off chairs for the first 5 or 10 years and insist on them squatting or something (sitting cross-legged is not the best thing for many, even though it does relieve lower back pressure it's not so marvelous for other structural development.)
    Not so sure about that. Iraq was full of younger than us, often hunched over in pain, and they squat at least a couple times a day.

    I do agree though our evolution is still catching up--of course it probably worked well enough to make it to 40 or so, a typical lifespan before modernity.
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    Yep Lynx Fox, more active with parts ment for running, light jumping, grabbing, wrestling, throwing spears, donging with nulla nullas, sleeping on the ground?? until the age of 33. Probably how we were constructed and then given a use by date. Well, so much for modernity. Have another 40 years or so and then see how high you can jump. Guess there is a fair bit of selective breeding going on these days, selecting the fitest for old age. If you are still bouncing around at age 60, and you are lucky enough to encounter a youngish Damsel of 58 years, and luckier still, impregnate her, then maybe we are on our way to no more crook backs. ( HE HE HE ). Dyou think bare back riding on horses might have jolted a few screws loose? Certainly wheeling Barrow Loads of concrete would not have helped. westwind.
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    I had a trapped nerve in my lower back a few years ago. The physiotherapist sort of put me right, but the discovery of chiropractic did put me right. Vertebral Subluxations seems to be the buzz word, in and out of the surgery in ten minutes, less seems to be more. I do not understand what the dude is doing, a few prods and pokes, switching nerves back on, whatever, but it worked for me.
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    Thats the one thing I have not tried yet, the chiropractor. Maybe it is time.
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    Maaaateee, Where have you been? I've had to handle some rough tours of duty with no shots being fired against the East Coast. My Flank, so to speak, being left exposed. ( HE HE HE ). Welcome back anyway. Yes, you are quite right. Some Medical Practineers( Doctors of Craft, ( Which ) do have the knack of tweaking blocked or traumitised nerves just by gently touching certain positions running through the lower lumber region. And I'm glad it worked for you. My NEUROsURGEON!!! Get that, only $240.00 a Visit--- pronounced trainwreck, wouldn't touch what was your functioning back for all the tea in Boston Bay. Or words to that effect. So, dems the breaks. Only faith I have now is in my MYO Manipulator to keep me out of a Golf BUGGY. No wheel chairs for Australians over 75, just a long silk necktie or a silver bullet. Preferably somewhere where the crows can get a feed wiyhout being disturbed. Congratulations for your Olympic Team and the Great Games Presentation. I never missed a minute. And at last I see you have what could pass as a Cricket Eleven. Cheers. westwind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Lower back problems? That's yet another "error" in our evolution. Partly exacerbated by modern civilised comfort.

    If we spent far more of our lives squatting on our haunches rather than sitting with pressure on that lowest area of the back, we'd be a bit better off. I'm half inclined to the idea that we might do better to get children off chairs for the first 5 or 10 years and insist on them squatting or something (sitting cross-legged is not the best thing for many, even though it does relieve lower back pressure it's not so marvelous for other structural development.)

    But even people who've never seen a chair can have lower back problems, so there are no guarantees.
    I am sure our present life style is mostly responcible for our deformities and unatural bone evolution. Stress is more the problem because it tends to twist our bodies under the presure of what ever stress is experienced. We do a lot of abnormal things in the course of our lives, we work excessively, we eat excessively, we do not use the natural curvature of nature but create squares to replace the obvious. We wear shoes that can only give vibrational sbocks to the spinal cord. We tend to think we are super people by repeating distructive behavour for muscles and bone over and over. It is quite ridiculous to think that so many people on the planet is suffering from back problems when the animals are telling us that we are doing something they do not do.
    You mentioned there are no garantees, that is going to be true in all instances, however there is also garantees that when you go against the nature of things there will be a price to pay.


    I have watched dogs that got their backs severly injured and after a while they are walking as if nothing had happened.


    Adelady, I think you are right about the squating instead of using chairs, the only part I might disagree is that it might be better for certain cultures to do what is better for the contours of their bodies. I think the main objective is not to develope these unnecessary diseases in the process of our evolution.
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    If we spent far more of our lives squatting on our haunches rather than sitting with pressure on that lowest area of the back, we'd be a bit better off. I'm half inclined to the idea that we might do better to get children off chairs for the first 5 or 10 years and insist on them squatting or something (sitting cross-legged is not the best thing for many, even though it does relieve lower back pressure it's not so marvelous for other structural development.)
    Have you come across any data showing that there is less incidence of back pain in Japan? Having spent many happy hours sitting on the floor with friends, it certainly feels better than standing for hours in an English-style pub.
    Have you come across any data showing that there is more incidence of back pain in Japan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    I developed my lower back problem through hard graft... I should be able to sue.
    When you sue, remember to get a new bone structure together with lots of dollars to enjoy the pain you once felt. (Not funny) But hey !!!!! Ha ha
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    ANKYLOSING SPONDYLITIS. This is Number two of my self ( researched ) Diagnosis as being responsible for my lower back pain. ( LBP. ). Almost 100% sure now that this is probably where I am at. Unfortunately my Granddaughter, age 27, diagnosed with CFS many years ago, is probably afflicted in some way with this condition. Aspirin my main weapon against this problem. Remember I am 78 years of age, for me its just another hurdle to try and walk around instead of jumping over. westwind.
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    Now, can I tell you this. I've been in repite for over 30 hours. Why?. It's not the Meds so much, me thinks not. Just as if someone has beenplaying a gas blowtorch over my left hip area and upper thigh bone frontal left leg and a terrible stiffness( painful ). Resricting movement like an unoiled Tin Man on the Yellow Brick Road. Free---FREE--FREE from severe pain in these areas for the last 30 hours.. Blowtorch has been taken away. Why?. I would love to know why? I'm grateful, thats a positive. But why? was it inflammation ? brought on by ingestion of some kind of food eaten? The coldish wet damp wheather? Lets fight this together. If I have another attack as painful as before we are going to have to find out why. I'll try and note anything unusual what I eat. I f I fall through the ice or over a caterpillar. You ask your grandfathers ( or grandmothers ), if they have any ideas? Can Americam Members advise if Native Americans had a History of Arthritus compared to how they are travelling now? westwind.
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