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    I was reading multiple stories relating to a google search of "stillborn frozen survives" where it seems that some newborn children that are pronounced dead can be revived by cooling the body and brain. There are multiple news reports relating to some British Hospitals using this procedure and even an Argentinian one where a baby revived in the morgue without doctor assistance. I can recall many stories in the past of people falling into icy waters and being were revived after an extended period of time, and even bacteria that was left on lunar equipment on the moon being able to return to "life" after an extended period. Does anyone know of an explanation of how the brain can survive for many days, repair non-functioning organs (e.g. lungs not working), and then have the body working again?




    News Sources:
    Analia Bouter finds 'stillborn' baby ALIVE in morgue 12 hours after she was pronounced dead | Mail Online
    Baby girl born dead survives after doctors froze her for three days | The Sun |News
    Stillborn baby girl 'frozen' back to life - Parentdish
    Doctors 'freeze' baby to save her life - Video on msnbc.com


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    Good question. But first you have to separate facts from thoughts.

    As you don't know the so called stillborn was actually dead. As lets face it, some nurses and doctors tend to be idiots sometimes. They lack the skill to even tell if it's a boy or girl, let alone dead or alive (when not moving).

    Cold temperatures slow down enzymes, and also the degradation of enzymes. While TOO cold will cause cellular damage by crystallisation.

    For the rest, i have no idea how it is possible that a brain can jumpstart using coldness. But it just might be that an extended period of stimulation of the brain was needed to get the brain started in those stillborn. But this is just speculation.


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    Mammaliean diving reflex is real and is more pronounced in children, but I have never heard of this still born revival. I checked your links and it sounds like MDR of some type. Mammalian diving reflex is a full body reflex triggred by sudden chilling. It radicly reduces the need for oxygen at the cellular level, reduces heart rate to around one beat per minute and stops respiration completely. In a case that happened in my are about 20 years ago two boys feel through ice into a fridged pond they were without respirations for appox one hour before being revived very carefully in the emergency room. Itis necessary to handle people with lowered body temps very carefully becuse rough handleing can put the hypothermic, super slow beating heart into fibulation.
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