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    What about b-12, essential aminoacids as valine? I defy you to stop controversy. Knows a serious (the majory are charlatans) research? Control groups? Was you read the veg research of Nikola Tesla in his book The Problem of Increasing Human Energy?



    1. The Veg Village of Amirim in Galilee, Israel The Veg Village of Amirim in Galilee, Israel - P1/2 - YouTube
    2. Vegetarianism in Turkey Discovery Channel Flavors of Turkey HD - YouTube
    3. Vegetarian friends from Berlin. Vegetarian friends from Berlin. - YouTube


    We can use science to replace meat protein, inferior mamals cant do anything to scape torture. We had evolutionary luck to scape from this hell: Many primates are the diet of africans & americans. Inmense malignance! Horror Infinity

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    A feminine housewife (can i hold her?, can i feel my whole kitchen isnt contaminated with repugnant bloody fingerprints?) destroying mamals, cutting necks; her hands showing fresh blood... It stills feminine yet? Repugnance when i put a piece of meat on the fridge, ... i smell my fingers, then my mind vomites. Hate to go to supermarket 'cause hate handwashing after touchin pieces o' meat.

    Vegan Supermarkets now!!


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    Illuminate our science to stop animal suffering
    Even if we must develope syntethic meat to survive


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    Humans are obligate omnivores, and most of the meat consumed is not raised in inhumane conditions.
    If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -Thorin Oakenshield

    The needs of the many outweigh the need of the few - Spock of Vulcan & Sentinel Prime of Cybertron ---proof that "the needs" are in the eye of the beholder.
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    If you raise your own animals, you can give them a comfortable life and a quick and easy death.

    If I were a chook, I'd much rather be 'hypnotised' to sleep in the arms of the person who fed me well for several months or even years, and then never wake up, than be taken by a fox or other predator. Other domestically raised food animals don't have the 'hypnotise' advantage, but they can still be killed without stress or fuss after a well-fed life in good surroundings. They also have an easier death than being taken down by a predator.

    Farmers can't provide this ideal. But good farmers do pretty well. Especially the modern ones who've worked out that they get more money for the better quality meat of well managed animals. You don't need the 'nutritious' beer or the daily massage of some Japanese beef producers - but there is a big difference in taste as well as texture of well-fed, stress free animals.
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    A feminine housewife (can i hold her?, .....
    Speaking as a woman, I find this notion ludicrous - and slightly offensive. And not because of the presumption that I'm obliged to be the only one doing the cooking.

    In 1912, a mere century ago, a 'feminine housewife' would have done the laundry by standing over a fire in her backyard with linens and clothes boiling in a copper. Her arms would eventually take on Popeye like strength and shape after years of lifting heavy, dangerous loads of scalding hot linen on a pot-stick. And on baking day rather than laundry day, whipping large bowls of cake mix with a wooden spoon for, literally, 5 to 15 minutes at a time would also build up those muscular attributes. I could go on.......

    Just remember. When we talk about modern 'conveniences' of appliances and shopping, we're not talking lightly. Appliances and services mean that women's lives are much less dangerous than they used to be (think about those fires and potsticks for a while) - and much less hard work. Have you ever scrubbed a floor on hands and knees or scrubbed one of those bare board kitchen tables with sandsoap? They weren't like that for aesthetic reasons, they were like that because scrubbing with sandsoap was the best way to maintain a hygienic surface.

    Killing the occasional chook or rabbit, or butchering a sheep carcase, is child's play compared to this stuff.
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    Dear adelady. Can't help it. You brought a tear to my eye. I see my Mum now, with that smooth, round, pot stick , lifting those heavy water filled sheets from the outside copper, bubbles of compressing air bulging out everywhere, the fire burning below, we are talking 1938/1948 here. Do not concern yourself, as soon as I could be trusted with the Pot Stick and the fire it became my job. As it was chopping the heads from non-laying chooks for the pot, no supermarkets miles from the nearest neighbour etc. Yep, I
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    To continue adelady as I was so rudely chopped off, I hope this is not one of those days when my ear lobes may drop off. To cont: Yep I was involved with the provision of food for the table, rabbits etc, Diver Ducks within .22 rifle shot, Yabbies of course, not mallee hens, and a few duffed sheep. We had to eat adelady. As for being a vegetarian, never heard mention of it when I was a kid, anyway, where I was in outback NSW, very few sightings of fruit and vegetables as I have said before on this Forum. We would have starved. Molasses yes. Treakle, yes. Scones, plum jam, and a piece with plum jam or lard, in this case, mutton fat with pepper and salt if you were lucky. No wonder today that I cant see my navel. westwind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoar View Post
    What about b-12, essential aminoacids as valine? I defy you to stop controversy. Knows a serious (the majory are charlatans) research? Control groups?
    Why start a thread with the title "scientific research" and then post a load of nonsense about Tesla, yootoob, etc. Where's the science?

    Vegan Supermarkets now
    There are quite enough of those already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Have you ever scrubbed a floor on hands and knees
    Yes! And I need to do it again soon - strip the old polish off tiles and redo it. Not much fun. If only I could persuade the "feminine housewife" to do it for me.
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    I slaughtered a few "chooks" in my day, but with a sharp knife. Can't say I enjoyed the meat though, as I could never get past the stench of boiling water and feathers.

    As for other meats, I don't know what I would do without the occasional "braai" (BBQ). A nice bunch of mutton rib chops, or pork best end chops, or beef steak, boerewors (minced meat sausage), pap and sauce (maize porridge and sauce), etc.

    My favourite dish though, is still mutton offal. Stomach, cheeks, joints with potatoes, onions, lamb neck chops and pearl wheat. I'll never stop eating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
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    A feminine housewife (can i hold her?, .....
    Speaking as a woman, I find this notion ludicrous - and slightly offensive. And not because of the presumption that I'm obliged to be the only one doing the cooking.

    Killing the occasional chook or rabbit, or butchering a sheep carcase, is child's play compared to this stuff.
    Sorry. I used to observe carefully the house's cleaning process. My grandmother died when 102 years old, semivegetarian during youth. Farmer prodigy...
    The southamerican kitchen materials makes the diffrence. She was 'the rapido'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post

    and then post a load of nonsense about Tesla, yootoob, etc. Where's the science?
    Tesla theorized on vegetarianism on The Problem o' Increasing Human Energy...
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    Tesla said of lot of things that have been shown to be complete nonsense. Just because person x said something is not reason to assume its correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Tesla said of lot of things that have been shown to be complete nonsense. Just because person x said something is not reason to assume its correct.
    Dear Paleoichneum. Was you visited beyondveg.com?
    What they say about human gut/teeth vs chimp gut/teeth is non conclusive.

    Which is the human comunity more closer to 0 morbility incidence? Rafael Lezaeta Perez-Cotapos, is a chilean manager of Villa Cultores de Vida Natural, a place designed for naturist lifestyle.
    In his book Manual de Alimentacion Sana (Handbook of healthy nutrition), he claims the Hunzas, a vegetarian town, posseses 0 morbility incidence.
    Infinito Channel shown a documentary about the Hunzas.

    Have you scientific evidence that meat is indisposable to human nutrition?
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    The question is how many of the village qualify as near or below the point of nutrient deficiency? yes the body will be leaner if there is less meat, but this is usually due to the lack of a number of needed elements of the diet.
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    A vegan can be healthy, but it takes time and effort to organise a vegan diet that contains all essential nutrients. Because not all vegans are that careful, there is a very high incidence of nutritional deficiency among vegans, including deficiency of iron and vitamin B12 deficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    The question is how many of the village qualify as near or below the point of nutrient deficiency? yes the body will be leaner if there is less meat, but this is usually due to the lack of a number of needed elements of the diet.
    Where is the source of such investigation? Is reliable? Not Meat Industry interests in?

    Check this:

    Dean Ornish Research raw vegan vegetarian diets, Nathan Pritikin Dean Ornish China Study, Seventh Day Adventist Mortality, Neil Barnard, McDougall Framingham Study, Cousens Diabetes Pottinger's Cats
    T. Colin Campbell from University of Cornell. Researcher of the chinesse diet, claims we are basically a vegetarian specie.
    The American Dietetic Asociation: there are important scientific datum suggesting low rates of degenerative diseases among vegetarians
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    After the whole of darwinian evolution upon the human race as a species I am very sceptical that we are omnivores without a very good reason, as such I would also veiw any suggestion of the significant benifits of vegetarianism with great suspicion.
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    The thing that skews findings on health of modern peoples is the abundance of food.

    Throughout most of human evolution, the big problem was finding enough calories. When the body is partly starved for much of the time, problems such as Type II diabetes do not exist. Lots of other, and worse problems do, such as malnutrition, kwashiorkor (protein deficiency disease) and so on.

    Modern humans have all the food we can eat, and we get fat. Nothing new there. That over nourishment leads to various special health problems. If we can rearrange our diet so that we are, once more, half starved, those special diseases disappear. Vegans are limited in calorie intake, approaching the 'half starved' state. This will reduce the incidence of diabetes etc. Vegans replace diabetes with nutritional deficiency diseases much of the time.

    I for one, will not embrace veganism, or anything similar, because I think the number one consideration with diet is to make sure I ingest enough calories and nutrients. Being half starved is not an option for me.
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