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Thread: A lighthearted look at the Elderly in western Society.

  1. #1 A lighthearted look at the Elderly in western Society. 
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    Being an Elderly myself, well, I'm over 70, not telling how much over 70, only that I was born in 1934. And I guess I belong in ""Western Society "", having been born a British Subject, it said so on my Birth Certificate. However, someone must have discovered that I was an Australian. Given Alien Classification by Legislation passed in the House of Lords, Westminster. Around 1947 that was. Just an aside if you will allow me. Travelled to England once. Refused to join the "" Alien Queue ""( it was as long as a football field ), and presented at the British Passport Gate, no one there. Fair Dinkum Mate says I, my Ancestors fought william the Conqueror at Hastings, and I sent food parcels during the war, that always gets them, and besides, Australians want English settlers says I, and because you are obviosly an English Gentleman have a drink on me, me producing a ONE POUND NOTE. Not a problem Sir, can I carry your Bags?.
    Well, back to the thread. There's nothing wrong with the Elderly of course. It's the Carriage they are using to get about with. Carriage? Broken wheels, ( hips ), Main axle, ( lower spine ), Spokes ( knees and ankles ), no need for lights on the Carriage, we can barely see, emergency vehicles don't even rate, as we cant hear them anyway. All these in my own case, plus Hypertension, my arteries are going to be preserved for Scientific analysis, obviously stronger than hydraulic hoses. And, lately there is some suggestion that CAD has come into my life to slow me down a little. Why am I telling you all this? Because I am enjoying what Life I have and every day that I don't make the Obitury Column in the daily newspaper, I frustrate a lot of my Aquaintances. It is Nutricious food, plenty of it, and plenty of variety, that has kept me going. As for brainpower and original thought, I'm getting better at it every day. As are most Elderly Citizens. They can't convey this to the young, because the young are also deaf, well they appear to be, and they are constantly checking up on the Cricket Score or something. Then they are off in a flash, with a warming and pitable smile in your direction. It must be lovely to know it all. Next time you are sharing a Latte in a surburban shopping centre, take time to observe the Elderly. For every 10 you observe, 5 will be hobbling with some degree of difficulty. Three will have their hands behind their back and their shoelaces undone. And two will be carrying bags of groceries that bend them right over, so that you could play leapfrog. But, have they got all their marbles? You'd better believe it. If you were to ask one of them if you could do anything for them, the answer of course would be no thanks but thanks for asking. In reality, their houses haven't seen a coat of paint in years, the front gate has fallen over, and the front door needs an inch taken off the bottom. But They have a wicked sense of humour and can still make a pot of tea. Thanks for your indulgence in reading this post, I'm reviewing my will soon so I'll be looking in the ""Likes "" notification. westwind.


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    I guess we will all be in that situation sooner or later.

    I remember a quote from a 90 year old lady who said : "If you wake up in the middle of the night, and feel no pain, you know you are dead."

    A fairly obvious flaw in that logic, but who am I to judge.


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    There's nothing wrong with the Elderly of course. It's the Carriage they are using to get about with. Carriage? Broken wheels, ( hips ), Main axle, ( lower spine ), Spokes ( knees and ankles ), no need for lights on the Carriage, we can barely see, emergency vehicles don't even rate, as we cant hear them anyway.
    Disagree qute a lot. Not because I'm now approaching 65 but because of how life is when you're not well. My parents moved into a retirement village. Mum constantly complained about being old / older (she had her reasons, looking after my unwell dad took it out of her). But.

    When I, in my mid-40s turned up with small children in tow, both parents were amaaaaazed at how ill I was so often (and how painful it was for me to get in and out of chairs) and made stupid jokes about ' anyone'd think you were the old one'. Then they'd rattle on about the neighbours, all in their 70s and 80s who were up with the birds in the morning for their 2 mile walk around the local streets ....... to get to the golf course for a full 18 rounds.

    It's not how old you are. It's how well or fit or sick you are. (Even now, when I take my 87 year old mother shopping, it's me that pushes the supermarket trolley so I've got something to lean on. She trots along beside me quite happily.)
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    The problem with the elderly is that several of them were assholes when they were young and aging hasn't changed them.
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    Absolutely. My husband used to administer aged care schemes, and a friend of ours works in a nursing home.

    It's all very well to wail and moan about old people " abandoned" by their families. What makes anyone think these were nice or competent or loving parents in the first place. If you couldn't stand each other when they were 55, why would things change when they're 85? There are some whose personalities change dramatically as they're dementing, but most of them just become a distilled - and more negative - version of what they've always been.

    Nasty, selfish, inconsiderate people don't vanish. They get older like the rest of us. And they're not like wine, they don't improve.
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    A positive consequence of modern society is the increased levels of communication between younger and older people. I am pretty sure everyone in this thread is old enough to be a parent of mine for instance. A while ago on this forum there was a fairly interesting debate being conducted largely between a 90+ year old and a 14 year old. That is amazing to me. This is something I don't encounter much normally.
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    there was a fairly interesting debate being conducted largely between a 90+ year old and a 14 year old. That is amazing to me. This is something I don't encounter much normally.
    Me being one of those parent/grandparent people, I have a different perspective. When I was growing up, primary school in the 50s, high school in the 60s, I knew a lot of people ouside the family who were my parents and grandparents age. It's one thing I noticed with some sadness when we were running a business that provided services to children and their families. They hardly knew any adults outside their families, especially grandparent type adults.

    I was quite often bailed up by one of the father/grandfather types after church, or grandmotherly neighbours of my grandparents, and quizzed on how what I was doing at school or sport or whatever. I see it as one of the losses from the way suburbs and lifestyles have changed that kids don't have that routine contact with older people who know them and take an interest in them.
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    The witch hunt mentality that sees a paedophile behind every raincoat has contributed to this situation.
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    Dear adelady. Yep, communication breakdown. Our socialization mores have suffered a re-working by the movers and shakers within the command structure. Sensationalism, lurid images from the visual arts, kill games, ( not cowboys and indians anymore, I used to love scalping the girls ), and when did you last see kids playing hop-scotch on the footpath? How much harm came to us oldies, ( as children I mean ), when we were wandering at large without sufficient means of communication. Be home before the sun goes down. True. Guess things do not always continue on when the Social Invironment changes. It's all the modern gadgets of course, Science interfering with communication mores and breaking them down. What can I say, I'm here today posting this because of scientific learning, and I'm not referring to Information Technology here, I'm talking about being alive. westwind.
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    Science interfering with communication mores and breaking them down.
    I'm not so sure. I think the technology argument is a bit of an excuse. Same as the modern parents don't have 'time' to do what earlier generations did. Feeble.

    It's about attitudes. My mother worked fulltime while raising children in the 50s and 60s, so did I in the 80s and 90s. In both households we managed to have home-cooked meals on the table, on time, every night. The children did sport, music, guides and other clubs, singing as well as church every Sunday. Homes were cleaned and dusted, fresh flower arrangements each weekend, wardrobes and cupboards filled with clean, neatly ironed clothes and linen, pantries groaned with loads of home made preserves. I had the inestimable advantage of a dishwasher and automatic washing machine as well as a husband who is a superb cook - and I confess I used a tumble dryer on miserable wet winter nights. It was hard work. It was only for a decade or so. It was worth it.

    But.

    Dealing with the parents whose children were our clients during the 2000s, I was not terribly keen on their approaches. I realise that irregular working hours have a negative effect on many family arrangements - but not everybody suffers from this anyway, many people benefit from flexible hours as my husband and I did. A family with a freezer and a microwave and a breadmaker (and...and...and...) really shouldn't have any problem getting food served, with or without a table, at suitable, regular mealtimes.

    Most of all, children whose behaviour and schoolwork is poor may be an indicator that parents who don't, can't or won't get immature people half their size into bed before 9.30 need to take a long hard look at themselves.

    Grumpy old lady rant over. For now.
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    Dear adelady. My maths are shocking but I would dearly loved to have been one of your children. Memories of my m
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Nasty, selfish, inconsiderate people don't vanish.
    No, they come and live in your basement.

    I'm now approaching 65
    So am I, and currently planning a five day backpacking trip. I'll be ready when my belly weighs less than my backpack.
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    Dear adelady. More power to your posts. Your Posts are to the converted I think, and like other important observations of our lives, not being heeded by those who may benefit by reading about other peoples experiences. Surely everyone has at least one grandmother. Although I never Knew mine. But these latest Generations ( Alphabet needed here ), are switched off to the Elders of the Tribe. Not all. Your Children and the Children of some Friends we know will probably have absorbed by observation some worthwhile traits. But, unfortuneately these days they will be in the minority. Greed and the Consumer Gods rule. Don't stop and put your brain in gear, no time for that, just repeat what you did yesterday and what you are going to do tomorrow. But don't ever put your brain in gear, your peer group will think you bumped your head. westwind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    A positive consequence of modern society is the increased levels of communication between younger and older people. I am pretty sure everyone in this thread is old enough to be a parent of mine for instance. A while ago on this forum there was a fairly interesting debate being conducted largely between a 90+ year old and a 14 year old. That is amazing to me. This is something I don't encounter much normally.
    Interesting. I've always though it was the other way around since we (speaking as an American) don't' live in extended families in the same house, are often separated by long distances as we've become more mobile, and increasingly warehouse them away into elderly homes, or allow them to move to a better climate instead of becoming a town leader and other positions to tap their tremendous experience-based wisdom. It's heartening to see technology closing that gap to some extent with social media, but all the other trends seem still in place.
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