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    My husband and I have been trying for about 18 months now and we still have no baby. I don't want to do IVF or anything like that. I'd like to stay natural if I can. Does anyone one know how you can increase your fertility or chances of conceiving?


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    First and foremost, control your weight - and that applies to both of you. Being either over- or under-weight can mess up your hormone metabolism.

    Eat a balanced diet. For some people that might mean eating stuff you're not fond of or even opposed to. People who 'control' their eating should look at a proper fat/oil intake, once again for keeping hormones ticking over properly. Vegans and vegetarians should consider animal based products for the protein boost.

    Exercise in moderation. Exercise is good. Too much exercise is definitely bad for women wishing to conceive - look at gymnasts, ballet dancers, some athletes. Their reproductive systems only work well when they're not training.

    Have a sensible medical checkup including blood tests. Thyroid (or adrenal) problems or anaemia can interfere badly with reproduction even if the condition is not showing any other significant symptoms. Remember, failure to conceive may be the one and only obvious effect of a general metabolic problem that's not (yet) affecting any other organ system.

    Don't smoke.

    Alcohol in moderation only. And that really means only a couple of drinks and only a couple of times a week. And that also applies to both of you.

    Relaxation is important. A weekend away every so often does wonders for your emotional stability. Even just a single night away from home can lift the spirits.


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    And keep trying. No seriously...for us it took a few years, but eventually it worked, without medical intervention. You can't always force nature to go your way.
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    Hello, My wife have a endometriosis and we had to use IVF treatment and it was impossible to get a baby in normally. Now we have a little girl almost 2 years old. She is very healthy and lively.
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    You did not say how old you are. Older people, on average, take longer to get pregnant. Younger are faster. If you are less than 30 years old, you probably should talk to your doctor, and see if there is an organic reason. Often these problems are quite simply overcome. If you are older, it may just be taking you longer. Either way, it is worth seeing an expert.
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    Hello Birgitta,

    No doubt you are right. My wife is under 30. She came to pregnant first time when we tried it and I know it is not so easy to everyone. We had good lucky and IVF worked in our case. Sorry but I can't imagine how big issue this is for women. So I just hope strength to you and good luck. I just wanted to share our case.
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    Hi Bergitta,

    I agree with most of the posters..stress, lifestyle, diet and exercise play a big role in infertility. However, there are natural things that can help. There are lots of great herbs/vitamins that you can use...but before I get to those, I have to mention that a friend wanted to do things natural also and had success with Beefertile. I don't know the particulars, but she said it seemed to work after 6 to 8 weeks, I think---I'm sure you can find it online. Now, on to the herbs/vitamins:

    A good multi-vitamin is key
    Vitamin C is supposed to be great for men/sperm health
    B-Vitamins-for both of you for stress, etc.
    Royal Jelly-supposed to help egg quality and sperm quality
    Red Raspberry Leaf-helps with menstrual cycles and cysts, etc.

    Hope these tips help. Good luck!
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    I am sorry to see your post.

    Quackery does not help.

    There is no scientific evidence for any of the suggestions you made - just bullsh!t dogma. I strongly suggest expert assistance in the form of orthodox medicine. Not weird and unproven ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergitta View Post
    My husband and I have been trying for about 18 months now and we still have no baby. I don't want to do IVF or anything like that. I'd like to stay natural if I can. Does anyone one know how you can increase your fertility or chances of conceiving?
    You first need to diagnose the cause of the infertility, or else you will be trying a million things and never knowing what's going to work.

    Firstly, do you even know if it is him or you?

    If you know it's you, is it because you're too old? Is it because you are overweight or underweight? Is it because you have hormonal imbalance (polycystic ovarian syndrome, endometriosis, estrogen dominance, etc)? You cannot ask a forum of strangers how to fix the problem if you do not know the cause of the problem. You're best bet is to go to a fertility specialist that will work with you to determine the cause before trying more intrusive or unnatural options such as fertility drugs or IVF.

    I highly recommend the book Taking Control of Your Fertility. It has a lot of great details and advice, as well as techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
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    I am sorry to see your post.

    Quackery does not help.

    There is no scientific evidence for any of the suggestions you made - just bullsh!t dogma. I strongly suggest expert assistance in the form of orthodox medicine. Not weird and unproven ideas.
    Skeptic,

    I am sorry to see YOUR post. Bergitta wanted to see if anyone had any NATURAL suggestions. And that is what I gave. There was no need for profanity or to get hostile. I usually like to answer people's questions, and even though my comment was not directed to you, I will appease you with some scientific data. Everything I have mentioned has scientific data backing it's efficacy in treating infertility. Is it a drug? NO. Is it Orthodox Medicine? NO. That is not what she asked for.

    And to Deliberator, "You cannot ask a forum of strangers how to fix the problem if you do not know the cause of the problem"....

    Wow! I think that is the point of a forum...to ask people. I don't think she's asking people to 'fix' her problem. I think she's looking for solutions and then, I'm sure, like most people, she will figure out on her own what to do. This isn't a forum of doctors and she knows that. She's looking for alternatives and to see what others have had success with. It IS possible to be helpful without being degrading.

    Oh, and here's your scientific data, skeptic:

    1. Studies show that Red Raspberry Leaf can be helpful in preventing miscarriages, along with vasodilatory properties. Burn JH, Withell ER. A principle in raspberry leaves which relaxes uterine muscle. Lancet 1941; July 5:1-3. 2.

    2. A study was conducted to investigate the antioxidative effect of royal jelly on cisplatin (CP)-induced spermiotoxicity. The conclusion was that the “CP-induced changes in histopathologic findings of testes were partially reversed by treatment with royal jelly. The results provide further insight into the mechanisms of CP-induced sperm toxicity and confirm the antioxidant potential of royal jelly” (Silici).
    “Bogdan Tekavcic, M.D., a Yugoslavian gynecologist, conducted a study in which the majority of women who were given bee pollen with royal jelly showed improvement or disappearance of their menstrual problems, while there was no change in the placebo group. Lewis, Randine A. The Infertility Cure: the Ancient Chinese Wellness Program for Getting Pregnant and Having Healthy Babies. Boston: Little, Brown, 2004. 83. Print.
    Silici, Sibel, Oguz Ekmekcioglu, Gokhan Eraslan, and Abdullah Demirtas. "Antioxidative Effect of Royal Jelly in Cisplatin-induced Testes Damage." Urology 74.3 (2009): 545-51. Print.

    3. Studies conducted on the usefulness of long-term, high-doses of vitamins, particularly "Zinc, B Vitamins (B6, B12 and folic acid), Vitamin C, and Antioxidants” for treatment of oligozoospermia, found that they “are critical nutrients in the male reproductive system for proper hormone metabolism, sperm formation and motility” (Moriyama).
    Moriyama, H., K. Nakamura, N. Sanda, E. Fujiwara, S. Seko, A. Yamazaki, M. Mizutani, K. Sagami, and T. Kitano. "Studies on the Usefulness of a Long-term, High-dose Treatment of Methylcobalamin in Patients with Oligozoospermia." Hinyokika Kiya 33.1 (1987): 151-6. Print.


    4. A study surveyed the effects of decreasing vitamin C intake from 250 mg/day to 5 mg/day in otherwise healthy men; the results demonstrate a 50% decline in the men's semen vitamin C levels and a 91% increase in sperm with significant DNA damage (Fraga).
    In one study, men observed a substantial increase in their sperm count over a 7-day period. Those that took 200 mg of vitamin C per day showed a 112% increase in sperm count (Dawson).

    Dawson E.B., et al. Effects of ascorbic acid on male fertility. Ann N Y Acad Sci 1987; 498: 312-23.
    Fraga CG et al. Ascorbic acid protects against endogenous oxidative DNA damage in human sperm. Proc Natl Acad Sci 1991; 88: 11003-06.

    Silici, Sibel, Oguz Ekmekcioglu, Gokhan Eraslan, and Abdullah Demirtas. "Antioxidative Effect of Royal Jelly in Cisplatin-induced Testes Damage." Urology 74.3 (2009): 545-51. Print.
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    Sadly I cannot investigate your references, since none are available on the internet.

    If your suggestions meet the requirements for evidence of medical science, they will already be recommended by medical specialists. As others have said, the best thing with infertility is to get to your fertility specialist and get proper testing and advice.

    If none of those treatments you recommended are being used by the proper experts, then it will be because they do not meet the criteria for evidence required.

    As an example : you recommend royal jelly. Yet the quackwatch web site has something else to say.
    Bee Pollen and Royal Jelly

    I quote :

    "Like bee pollen, it has been falsely claimed to be especially nutritious, to provide buoyant energy, and to have therapeutic properties.Bee pollen and royal jelly should be regarded as potentially dangerous because they cause allergic reactions. People allergic to specific pollens have developed asthma, hives, and anaphylactic shock after ingesting pollen or royal jelly."

    The quackwatch web site is compiled by medical doctors who do an enormous amount of research into claims made by 'alternative' medicine. They are very sound.

    Since they are so down on royal jelly, which you claim to be wonderful, I am deeply suspicious of your other claims also. This is a science forum, and we like to see statements made which stand up to good scientific scrutiny.

    Your references to the importance of vitamins show nothing more than something we already knew. That a good balanced diet is essential. For example : vitamin C is needed at minimum 50 mg per day for the average adult. That is really, really easy to obtain, with even a half hearted effort at balancing your diet. Anyone who is not already getting that must have a truly lousy diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
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    Sadly I cannot investigate your references, since none are available on the internet.

    If your suggestions meet the requirements for evidence of medical science, they will already be recommended by medical specialists. As others have said, the best thing with infertility is to get to your fertility specialist and get proper testing and advice.

    If none of those treatments you recommended are being used by the proper experts, then it will be because they do not meet the criteria for evidence required.

    As an example : you recommend royal jelly. Yet the quackwatch web site has something else to say.
    Bee Pollen and Royal Jelly

    I quote :

    "Like bee pollen, it has been falsely claimed to be especially nutritious, to provide buoyant energy, and to have therapeutic properties.Bee pollen and royal jelly should be regarded as potentially dangerous because they cause allergic reactions. People allergic to specific pollens have developed asthma, hives, and anaphylactic shock after ingesting pollen or royal jelly."

    The quackwatch web site is compiled by medical doctors who do an enormous amount of research into claims made by 'alternative' medicine. They are very sound.

    Since they are so down on royal jelly, which you claim to be wonderful, I am deeply suspicious of your other claims also. This is a science forum, and we like to see statements made which stand up to good scientific scrutiny.

    Your references to the importance of vitamins show nothing more than something we already knew. That a good balanced diet is essential. For example : vitamin C is needed at minimum 50 mg per day for the average adult. That is really, really easy to obtain, with even a half hearted effort at balancing your diet. Anyone who is not already getting that must have a truly lousy diet.
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    they are available on the internet. go to pubmed.gov. you can find all of those abstracts there. And as a general rule, as with ANY medication or natural remedy, there are always going to be contraindications, but are rare. Having a reaction to bee pollen/royal jelly is not common, but it does happen. Find me a drug backed by FDA that hasn't had some reaction by someone somewhere. If you invalidate the research I am giving to you, because of what you found on quackwatch, that's absurd. Research is research. You could have one drug/herb and give me 100 doctors and they will all have varying things to say about it--even if there is research. Some will find it safe, while another one will find it too risky. I'm sorry that this has turned into such a sore spot for you, but whether you think so or not, the research that is posted above is legit...is found in the US National Library of Medicine database and is SCIENTIFICALLY backed.

    But, all ribbing aside, all of our answers are helpful in contribution for Bergitta. Yes, going to a fertility specialist is very important, to be able to diagnose what her problem is. But, her question was so simple, that sometimes over-medicating is easy to do. "I want to stay natural if I can". Give the girl what she wants....not an answer that you want....what SHE wants. She wants something that will help her conceive-naturally. Do you have a better answer? I'm sorry but going to the doctor isn't a 'natural' answer. Maybe you ought to assert your friendliness and tell her to leave the scientific website, since her question of asking for something natural isn't scientifically sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annchildress View Post
    And to Deliberator, "You cannot ask a forum of strangers how to fix the problem if you do not know the cause of the problem"....

    Wow! I think that is the point of a forum...to ask people. I don't think she's asking people to 'fix' her problem. I think she's looking for solutions and then, I'm sure, like most people, she will figure out on her own what to do. This isn't a forum of doctors and she knows that. She's looking for alternatives and to see what others have had success with. It IS possible to be helpful without being degrading.
    I have no idea how that could be taken as degrading. If the OP gave more information people could respond more accurately instead of giving a huge barrage of recommendations that then must then be filtered through and may or may not even be relevant given the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annchildress View Post
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    they are available on the internet. go to pubmed.gov.
    Thanks for showing the pubmed link...a good resource.

    That link (Silici et al) paper about royal jelly was about rats and only for a very specific condition-- far from conclusive or applicable for humans.
    Antioxidative effect of royal jelly in cisplatin-ind... [Urology. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

    The vitamin C claim seems to have at least some support.

    Do you have a better answer? I'm sorry but going to the doctor isn't a 'natural' answer.
    I almost hate the strange twisting of the term natural-- science don't deal in ANYTHING BUT the "natural."
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    Quote Originally Posted by annchildress View Post
    Hi Bergitta,I agree with most of the posters..stress, lifestyle, diet and exercise play a big role in infertility. However, there are natural things that can help. There are lots of great herbs/vitamins that you can use...but before I get to those, I have to mention that a friend wanted to do things natural also and had success with Beefertile. I don't know the particulars, but she said it seemed to work after 6 to 8 weeks, I think---I'm sure you can find it online. Now, on to the herbs/vitamins:A good multi-vitamin is keyVitamin C is supposed to be great for men/sperm healthB-Vitamins-for both of you for stress, etc.Royal Jelly-supposed to help egg quality and sperm qualityRed Raspberry Leaf-helps with menstrual cycles and cysts, etc.Hope these tips help. Good luck!
    High levels of Vitamin C and Royal Jelly raise estrogen. Something that doesn't help men... Bergitta, is he taking any supplements or medicines? Especially ones for balding.
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    Hi Bergitta,
    what Adelady told you was the same response I got to.
    Lead exposures has also been proven to impact infertility negatively, which could produce abnormal sperms for the male.
    Also, as I've been hearing from friends and family, radiation (such as x-rays) can cause alternation of sperms, which can be led to abortions.

    Like everyone said, keep trying and never give up.
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    It's been over two years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    It's been over two years...
    Hi,

    I haven't read the whole thread, but here is some general advice: Both of you need to keep fit. Take exercise, eat heathily. No additives, no chemicals, no E numbers, no added salt, no added sugar. Read the ingredients on the labels. Eat a balanced diet with plenty of fresh vegetables and fruit, avoid junk food and 'ready meals' totally.

    Both of you need to stop alcohol completely for 6 months.

    Learn your reproductive cycles, map the female's monthly cycle.

    Take a multi vitamin, just in case you are not eating a balanced diet.

    We did all the above, and after 6 months got preganant on the first try.

    You have not mentioned your ages, but if either of you are older than 35, you are probably going to need special help.

    Good luck, try all the above and keep trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    It's been over two years...
    Makes you wonder if the OP ever conceived..
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    It took me around 18 months plus to conceive our daughter. To say it was frustrating is putting it mildly.

    I had fertility pills, and that didn't work.

    I finally did Basal Body Temperature, to determine when I was ovulating faithfully, and my poor husband would be called to meet me at home atlunch for a quickie!!

    We did conceive, finally.

    I wish you the best of luck.
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    Don't bother with the vitamins, seriously. Hardly any of the vitamins go into your system, most of them pass through you apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergitta View Post
    My husband and I have been trying for about 18 months now and we still have no baby. I don't want to do IVF or anything like that. I'd like to stay natural if I can. Does anyone one know how you can increase your fertility or chances of conceiving?
    Reduce any stress in your life, eat a nutritious diet, get adequate exercise and fresh air and quit stressing about getting pregnant.

    A physical exam of both parties and a sperm motility test might be of value just to determine that the reproductive systems are in proper working order.
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