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    There are a few definitions of "drugs" out there so let me clairify.

    I am talking about any artificially made substance, such as a pill, that is taken with a good desired effect. Even if it says natural. If it is a pill it counts as a drug for this question.

    Ex. Vitamins, medications for personal health issues, painkillers, etc...

    Yes, often. = Daily or almost daily.
    On occasion. = Once in a while when I get a cold or a headache, etc..
    Never. = Never

    Please answer honestly.


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    I will say why I am asking this if anyone wants to know or wants to say something about it.

    I used to occasionaly use drugs (vitamins or painkillers) but then I stoped all together and have been living very healthily ever since.

    I ask because I know someone who has been meeting lots and lots of people who are using lots and lots of medications. Mostly anxiety medications is what I hear.

    There has been a lot of talk in the media lately about how drug companies are scamming people and so on. What are your thoughts on this? It sounds very sick and, to me, is hard to believe but then I think "why do these people really need these medications?" Do they?


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    Medication and vaccines have all but wiped out countless diseases of epidemic proportions. Something as simple as a basic small infection would have killed you before the advent of antibiotics.

    I feel people in general abuse drugs, taking them for things that nature itself can in fact fight off. In the end they just weaken their own natural defenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (In)Sanity
    Something as simple as a basic small infection would have killed you before the advent of antibiotics.
    There is a problem with antibiotics though. Sometimes some of the bacteria are immune to the antibiotics and the next generation can't be stoped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    There is a problem with antibiotics though. Sometimes some of the bacteria are immune to the antibiotics and the next generation can't be stoped.
    That's why you change antibiotics. Bacteria become resistant to particular treatments but they don't become super-bacteria or anything. They generally just evolve resistence to whatever you use to kill them off. It still beats letting them run wild through your body (and possibly killing you) no matter how quickly they evolve.
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    I live ina fairly safe area of the United States so I understand that I am not exposed to some of the more dangerous bacteria and viruses. But, like I said I don't use any drugs at all. I am constantly getting scrapes and being around people with colds or flues but my body can deal with them before they become a problem.

    For example cancer. Cancer is just mutated DNA generaly caused by excess free radicals in the body or radiation damage. This happens all the time in our bodies and we deal with these cancerous cells before they become a problem. So I conclude that someone who gets cancer must have some sort of imbalance in their life. If this imbalance is found the cancer can be reversed. Yet instead we put these people on medications and zap them with more radiation. I understand that these methodes aren't entirely bad I just think they are being abused.
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    Personally, I've only ever needed antibiotics twice (I'm 19 now). I've noticed that a few doctors prescribe antibiotics even though the person doesn't really need them, they do it because people don't want to leave the doctors without something. Bacteria and everything else have become so used to the antibiotics that they aren't working anyway. It's easy to say make new antibiotics but it's not so easy to do. Antibiotics have been over prescribed for so many years.

    The only medication I take is the pill. I eat healthy and stay fit to ward off things like the common cold and it's worked so far. I haven't had a cold in a couple of years.
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    As far as the individual is concerned, I can definately understand why it's beneficial to use as few artificial drugs as possible.

    Obviously there are many cases where drugs are required in order for people to live, and in those cases it's only logical to provide help. That's what medicine is about. It is quite unfortunate, however, to see how much progress is being made to cure small harmless things, in comparison to how little progress is being made in curing deadly worldwide epidemics.

    It's impossible to deny that drug companies and their advertisements have a HUGE influence on people's decision to buy drugs that they don't need. And it's impossible to deny that the millions of people buying these drugs have a major effect on whether or not the company wills to produce more insignificant drugs, or fund more research into truely deadly diseases.

    By the use of advertisements that display these unimportant drugs as a neccesity, I think drug companies are scamming people in a sense. And I do, to some extent, think this is wrong. However, as with any other form of advertising, I think it's the responsibility of the individual (and in this case their doctor) to decide whether or not they want to take certain drugs. I don't think the legality of advertizing certain drugs should be questioned, simply people need to be more educated about what's actually happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by llantas
    However, as with any other form of advertising, I think it's the responsibility of the individual (and in this case their doctor) to decide whether or not they want to take certain drugs.
    People are educated yet the doctor prescribes anyways. I think people find the drugs to be the easy way out. Forget changing your diet or living in a healthy way when you can just take drugs.

    This one blows me away. I hear that alot of people are using anxiety medications. The person I hear it from is referring to people in a nursing program. This makes no sense. Shouldn't these people know better??

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    I eat healthy and stay fit to ward off things like the common cold and it's worked so far. I haven't had a cold in a couple of years.
    Same here. I have had no health issues for a long time now and I NEVER use drugs.
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    i use weed once in a while, just because it's relaxing. Some mushrooms also, to make tea. And hash i only had once.

    medical drugs.. hmm.. just heyfever drugs i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    I have had no health issues for a long time now and I NEVER use drugs.
    I never used any drugs such as pain killers before since I had a broken nose and it had to be operated, it hurt like hell, too much and i did have to take lots of painkillers. I just got used to them. Then sleeping pills for anxiety or for my period, contraceptives, antihistaminics for allergies... you just take them cause you dont wanna feel bad, it is like a tool that will improve your life, it is part of a plan of not being sick, not being sad, be relaxed and do not worry about anything... robots 8)

    So I guess you never drink coffee or tea, or smoke...
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    Legalize all drugs.

    "How many people are on drugs?"
    Billions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingus
    Legalize all drugs.

    "How many people are on drugs?"
    Billions.
    I am...
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    I drink tea.

    Don't smoke at all. I would rather have clean lungs.
    I don't drink coffee but, I wouldn't care if i did once and a while. Not really my taste though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    I drink tea.

    Don't smoke at all. I would rather have clean lungs.
    I don't drink coffee but, I wouldn't care if i did once and a while. Not really my taste though.
    Then you are doing drugs as well dear Okey, I get it, natural ones, sure, I voted for option 2. You must live in the mountains to get that good air. Myself probably living in the most polluted city in the world...

    Cheers and good for you, not all of us can deal with a headache... or cramps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I
    There are a few definitions of "drugs" out there so let me clairify.

    I am talking about any artificially made substance, such as a pill, that is taken with a good desired effect. Even if it says natural. If it is a pill it counts as a drug for this question.

    Ex. Vitamins, medications for personal health issues, painkillers, etc...
    Drugs could have a very large range of meaning, so I guess you could say that.

    The reason I am doing this is not because I am trying to say I'm somehow better. It is more about learning how many people do this and why. I have used medical drugs but, it hasent been for a while and I see no reason to anymore. I would hope that others can find ways around drugs but, I can't help the situation if I don't know why they are being used.

    Besides injuries my greatest problem has been migraines and if you have had one you know how bad it is. This is probably the most pain I have been in so I made this post to try to find other reasons someone would use drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB

    People are educated yet the doctor prescribes anyways. I think people find the drugs to be the easy way out. Forget changing your diet or living in a healthy way when you can just take drugs.

    This one blows me away. I hear that alot of people are using anxiety medications. The person I hear it from is referring to people in a nursing program. This makes no sense. Shouldn't these people know better??
    What do you mean by 'people are educated'? It seems that most people are pretty uneducated about the uses and effects of most drugs. It is more often the patient asks for the drug (that they saw on TV or wherever) rather than the doctor brings it up as a form of treatment... :| I do agree that people use it as an easy way out.

    These people should definately know better, but either they don't know or they don't care. Or else they wouldn't be using those drugs....right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by llantas
    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB

    People are educated yet the doctor prescribes anyways. I think people find the drugs to be the easy way out. Forget changing your diet or living in a healthy way when you can just take drugs.

    This one blows me away. I hear that alot of people are using anxiety medications. The person I hear it from is referring to people in a nursing program. This makes no sense. Shouldn't these people know better??
    What do you mean by 'people are educated'? It seems that most people are pretty uneducated about the uses and effects of most drugs. It is more often the patient asks for the drug (that they saw on TV or wherever) rather than the doctor brings it up as a form of treatment... :| I do agree that people use it as an easy way out.

    These people should definately know better, but either they don't know or they don't care. Or else they wouldn't be using those drugs....right?
    The reason I gave the example about the nurses in training is because I know one of the people in the program. They have told me that many of the drugs that they are learning about are drugs that no one would want to be using unless absolutely necessary. Yet the students are using them anyways, even after learning about them.

    I am afraid to say what I am about to say but, I am going to put it out there anyways.

    I feel there may be a sort of addiction going on here.

    For example: Drinking coffee. Some people wake up in the morning and get their coffee. It becomes an addiction, and I don't mean a chemical one. I mean they find it easier to wake up and get their coffee instead of maybe doing some morning stretches or some other way of waking the body.

    The problem here is that it often is not easier in the physical sense. I always have trouble explaining this but, I will do my best. It is more of an environmental and personality type addiction. The environment (people, places, etc.) puts them in check and gives them a label (or a personality trait). If this label is removed they aren't who they should be. This is the problem. No one should be anything than what they want to be. If people think about this enough I think they would come to the decision that drugs are bad.

    I have more to say but I think this is long enough for now.
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    I wouldn't doubt that there is some kind of addiction involved.

    I'm not entirely sure what you meant by that last part....but by all means, do continue with what you were saying. I don't mind long posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB

    For example: Drinking coffee. Some people wake up in the morning and get their coffee. It becomes an addiction, and I don't mean a chemical one. I mean they find it easier to wake up and get their coffee instead of maybe doing some morning stretches or some other way of waking the body.
    hey, that´s me.. but if i dont drink my coffee I wont wake up
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    Quote Originally Posted by llantas
    I'm not entirely sure what you meant by that last part....
    I will try to clarify.

    Warning this is long and may take more than one sitting.

    I will use myself as an example, and maybe you can relate. My goal every morning is to wake up have a glass of water and do some sort of yoga or martial art for an hour or two before eating breakfast and having some tea. The problem is sometimes I wake up and am feeling very tired. I go to get my water and before I know it im watching a TV show and eating my breakfast. Later that day I acknowledge that it would have been beter if I had stuck to my "excersize" plan before eating.

    I do not have a chemical addiction to me breakfast or a TV show. Instead, there is some sort of lazyness addiction, or routine, that I am so used to that I have trouble changing.

    I think the same idea can be applied to the use of any drug. There is some part of our personality, or identity, that these drugs have become attached to. It gives us a reason for simpathy or attention that we enjoy. It would be healthier (not always) and often easier to stop the use (of the drug) but, we must acknowledge it first. We must admit to ourselves why we are truly taking these drugs, and then we can stop using them.

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    The part I was going to continue on is about social pressures. If you have been taking certain medications for a while, and all of your friends know plus, your doctor recommends it. This puts an even greater identity pressure on you. Ex. "If I stop taking these drugs will my friends think I an too self conscious?". Some people would have an easier time with this than others. Also, it might not be very easy for many people to question their doctor (education may come into play here).

    I also would like to talk about vitamins. Many people will probably take this less seriously but, I will try to explain it in two different ways.

    All vitamins/minerals a person needs can be found in nature. I believe that it is better to obtain these vitamins from their natural sorce. First I will explain from a more eastern perspective. In Ayurvedic terms all things have one of six tastes (or more than one). These tastes have different attributes that should be considered for each individual when it comes to health. Also, another way of explaining this is from the TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) perspective which, also applies to the Ayurvedic perspective. All things fall in a yin or yang catagory. This is important to health. Then comes the chi (prana in Ayurveda). A live plant has healthy flowing chi. When this plant is killed or something is taken from it, that piece begins to lose it's chi. The longer the food is left to sit (become less fresh) the more chi it looses. And, the more processes it goes through (ex. grinding) the more chi it loses. Finally the more care that is put into the preperation of the food the better it will be for you. Vitamins (pills) are often artificialy made and with very little care. Even If they are natural they are still no longer fresh and full of chi.

    I will now explain it in a more "scientific" view point. When sunlight is absorbed by a plant it has the most energy it can. As soon as the plant is severed it starts to lose this energy (whether eaten or cut) the longer and more preperation put in to the plant the less energy it has. This is energy that you can't get from a pill (especially an artificial one).

    WOW!!! I hope this all makes sense. I edit as I go so I may have looked over some mistakes.

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    Oh yes one more thing. I heard that there have been studies that show your body absorbs nutrients better from when it is from its noatural source. I literealy did hear this from someone so I have no evidence of its truth. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wretched
    hey, that´s me.. but if i dont drink my coffee I wont wake up
    Please unserstand that I am not trying to be rude in any way. I feel that I have gone through the things that I talk about and would like to see what others think of my ideas. We all have our reasons and I don't dought yours. I am simply suggesting that anyone currently taking drugs simply ask themselves if it is necessary. I say this for your own good.
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    I generally avoid drugs. I certainly don't take any off the shelf remedies for minor aches and pains, colds or chills.

    However, I do take three different pills every day. The one occassion when I was being somewhat remiss in taking these regularily I had my first stroke. The pills control my blood pressure. When I was admitted to hospital my BP was 250/190. (Compare that with the normal 130/80. That's what I call a pressure test!). Since then I have been careful to take them as instructed.

    I agree with your underlying thesis that many people use prescription drugs inappropriately. However, there are a large group of people who are only alive, or only active because of those drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    Quote Originally Posted by wretched
    hey, that´s me.. but if i dont drink my coffee I wont wake up
    Please unserstand that I am not trying to be rude in any way. I feel that I have gone through the things that I talk about and would like to see what others think of my ideas. We all have our reasons and I don't dought yours. I am simply suggesting that anyone currently taking drugs simply ask themselves if it is necessary. I say this for your own good.
    Sure, everything´s all right. Actually what you have wrote have made me think about all these. I think I should be thanking you for all that. I have a pretty lousy time, going late to bed, living on Burger King and Coke, watching tv, sitting down behind the computer all day long... doing nothing actually and taking pills to sleep ...
    What you say makes sense, a lot of people blah blah about all this but for some reason I dont hear them, so yesterday I went to do some Yoga and today some cardio, sauna... after the excersise yesterday I felt really good, something was different in my head, a new energy.. I´ll keep trying this...
    Cheers, and that Chi thing.. it is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB

    WOW!!! I hope this all makes sense. I edit as I go so I may have looked over some mistakes.
    Yes! I understand everything you explained and I also don't violently oppose any of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wretched
    Sure, everything´s all right. Actually what you have wrote have made me think about all these. I think I should be thanking you for all that. I have a pretty lousy time, going late to bed, living on Burger King and Coke, watching tv, sitting down behind the computer all day long... doing nothing actually and taking pills to sleep ...
    What you say makes sense, a lot of people blah blah about all this but for some reason I dont hear them, so yesterday I went to do some Yoga and today some cardio, sauna... after the excersise yesterday I felt really good, something was different in my head, a new energy.. I´ll keep trying this...
    Cheers, and that Chi thing.. it is true.
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    That is great to hear!!!:-D

    I hope you can keep that new energy. I personaly love to challange myself in running. Always trying to go faster, and you can do it anywhere. Be careful though, it can be easy to go back to the "old" ways.

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    Yes! I understand everything you explained and I also don't violently oppose any of it.
    That is great. If there is anything you disagree on please say so, I would love to hear other ideas.

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    However, I do take three different pills every day. The one occassion when I was being somewhat remiss in taking these regularily I had my first stroke. The pills control my blood pressure. When I was admitted to hospital my BP was 250/190. (Compare that with the normal 130/80. That's what I call a pressure test!). Since then I have been careful to take them as instructed.
    My questoin would be: Do you think it is impossible to live without these medications?

    Of course you wouldn't just stop taking them. Maybe talk to your doctor or maybe you already have some idea what may be the cause for your symptoms. Then, if you have time (we are all busy I know), you can start to change things. This can be hard but, it also can be worth it. Be very careful though.

    I have read a story about a person who was from India but never really cared for their native medical practice. Later in their life they were diagnosed with cancer. They went to many doctors and nothing could be done and they were getting weaker. This person then went to a cabin somewhere alone a meditated there for a few days or so (maybe longer). They came back cancer free and now teach Ayurveda.

    I have no evidence of this story besides what I read in a book that they wrote but, I do believe it. Or at least that the idea is possible. That idea being that it is never too late.


    Good luck to you all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB

    That is great to hear!!!:-D

    I hope you can keep that new energy. I personaly love to challange myself in running. Always trying to go faster, and you can do it anywhere. Be careful though, it can be easy to go back to the "old" ways.


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    Hmm, japanese, cool. Well, let me tell you, I think I got into a process of desintoxication or something for I have the flu now. So I'll rest this weekend, what else? yeah, plenty of liquids.

    Sure, one of the main reasons for many of us, or maybe not, is to challenge ourselves. I've never been a very strong person but for some time I used to do that, test my limits and what I found is that the mind is stronger than the body and that it is the real thing you fight against. If your goals are set into something, nothing can stop you. I don't enjoy running too much, I think about my knees but sure it is good for the heart! I enjoy hiking and treking. Of course, walking.

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    I think I got into a process of desintoxication or something for I have the flu now
    Desintoxicación maybe? Spanish for detoxification.

    Anyways. You may be right although I wouldn't take it too easy. The idea of relaxing when one gets a flu is interesting and definitely not all wrong. But, it is not all right either. It depends on how active you are. If you really weren't very active before than the activity may have caused some troubles with the immune system. But like you said about the detoxification this is likely more a good sign. Movement is still good, keeps the blood flowing well.

    Technically the lymph system (primary of the immune system) does alot of its traveling through vessals like the blood. But, these vessels are not muscular and rely on skeletal muscle contractions to flow through the body. The faster it flows the faster it works. If you like yoga I would definitely recomend doing a little, at least once a day.

    Sorry if I sound like a doctor. I am sort of training to be one so if you do try any of this stuff tell me what you think.
    Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. -Spoon Boy
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