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    my son recently had a bad experience with being found unconscious by friends in the centre of London after having been thrown out of a night club - claimed that he hadn't had too much to drink, and that his pint must have been spiked, possibly intended for a girl he was with at the time

    that brought to mind the story i had read a few months ago which claims that in most cases spiking drinks is an urban myth promoted by people who don't want to admit how much they've been drinking

    Date-rape drink spiking 'an urban legend'

    so what's the truth ? how often does it really happen + is there any way in individual cases to know whether someone is making it up or not ?


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    Spiking drinks does happen. The symptoms are somewhat different to overdoing alcohol, such as sudden onset of unconsciousness without drinking enough to account for it. A urine test can confirm this.

    Some extremely nasty people use this as a means of raping women. However, the main drug used to assist in sexually attacking women is alcohol itself. Sometimes a spiked drink is a silly prank. Someone with a warped sense of humour trying to make a friend or acquaintance look foolish. Sometimes it is a tool to allow the culprit to steal handbags etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug


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    so the only sure way seems to be a urine test
    which leaves a rather small window to back up the allegation
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    Quote Originally Posted by maypor1410
    [b]u should be more careful about ur son.....
    Do you think it is polite, politic or perceptive to ladle out unsought advice to a veteran forum member when you are in possession of almost none of the facts concerning the incident?

    Marnix, if I recall, lives in Wales, a rather substantial distance from London. Do you wish Marnix to cast aside job and other responsibilities to follow aforementioned adult son around the capital making sure he gets into no trouble?

    For a third post on the forum it is surprisingly dumb.




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    so what's the truth ? how often does it really happen + is there any way in individual cases to know whether someone is making it up or not ?
    marnix; If it's important to follow up on, your best bet would question the girl he was with, the bartender if possible or the friends who found(?) him. Being found in London by friends, sets off some alarms in my mind. Either they were there and know how much Beer was drank, method (downing pints), drinking boiler makers (Washing down shots with a beer) or he was very lucky friends found him, those odds must push a million to one. "Thrown out" also bothers me, in that most bar keeps/tenders and owners, know the difference between being drunk and having drunk a spiked drink, that latter would likely never have been thrown out, IMO.
    The girl also worries me, even if a first date or meeting, most people don't just set there while their companion is being thrown out of a bar, in the middle of London.

    While, I'm not making a very good case for you son Spiking Drinks, is no urban myth and could have been done by either a male or female (including the girl) for any number of reasons. Then there could be medical problems involved, but you would probably be aware of any history...

    If you want a pure opinion, the friends were there, he WAS drunk, they did the right thing getting him to a safe place, probably was never unconscious, remains healthy and hopefully learned a good lesson. This of course assuming this was the first time and there is no indication of other drugs being used in his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic
    Spiking drinks does happen.
    Not really. There have been many studies in many different countries showing that "drink spiking" isn't a real phenomenon, but somehow the myth remains alive. It has become one of those self-perpetuating things that everyone believes because they've heard it so many times, despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary. In fact, it has reached the point where psychologists are now doing studies to try to figure out why so many people believe in it despite the total lack of evidence that it actually happens.
    http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...short/49/6/848
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic
    Spiking drinks does happen.
    Not really. There have been many studies in many different countries showing that "drink spiking" isn't a real phenomenon, but somehow the myth remains alive. It has become one of those self-perpetuating things that everyone believes because they've heard it so many times, despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary. In fact, it has reached the point where psychologists are now doing studies to try to figure out why so many people believe in it despite the total lack of evidence that it actually happens.
    http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...short/49/6/848
    In other words, it does happen, just not as much as believed, at least in the UK.
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    I have just had a quick look through the local paper that covers North and West Cumbria with regard to spiked drinks. This lady bit a policeman`s arm whilst being arrested and blamed it on a spiked drink.
    http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/wo...th=home/2.1962
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    In other words, it does happen, just not as much as believed, at least in the UK.
    Not nearly as much as believed. So far as I'm aware, there have actually only been a handful of genuinely-documented "date rape drug" cases in the entire UK, and these almost all involved people being drugged not in clubs, but in someone's house (which makes a lot more sense, if you think about it). There's no shortage of people claiming that they were drugged, but this is almost never born out by actual medical tests. There are plenty of studies that did things like investigating a few hundred cases of women who claimed their drink was spiked, only to determine that NONE of them were actually spiked, and that in all cases the alleged victim either drank way more alcohol than they thought they did or willingly took some other drug that had effects they didn't understand.

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    gamma hydroxybutyrate is the most common drug used in spiking drinks that i know of. there are two others, 1,4-butanediol and gamma butyrlactone that are often used as GHB substitutes.

    GHB affects dopamine in the brain producing effects very similar to alcohol but with a slightly longer duration. the intensity of the effect produced is in direct relation to body weight and other chemicals present in the body at time of ingesting GHB.


    ...uhhh...i know a lot about drugs(dont ask.) but do ask any questions you like pertaining to what's out there. im trying to think of other possibilities for spiking a drink. if it was GHB i dont recall if a test will be able to reliably determine the presence of GHB or not. I dont think it would be MDMA or other related chemicals. your kid would have a VERY obvious period of depression if it had been..

    did he speak of any effects on sensory perception? as in hallucinogenic sort of effects?

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    spiking drinks does happen. its often not really apparent when your drink is spiked because the most common drug used is GHB..which is odorless, colorless and tasteless and the effect mimics alcohol. the only really immediate clues to someone drugging your drink are contextual. people waking to signs of sexual intercourse they were unaware that they had is usually the clearest indicator. other possible indicators are things like being robbed...but the people who do this dont always have inherantly malicious intent. in some drug using subcultures its not too uncommon for your drink to get spiked as a method of "punking" you..Ive seen a few instances in the more rowdy frat boy crowds as a means of hazing as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauser
    spiking drinks does happen.
    In the sense that anything and everything probably happens at least a few times somewhere in the world. But the "epidemic" of drink spiking that everyone worries about is an urban myth. You are probably hundreds or thousands of times more likely to be run over by a car on the way to your club than to have your drink spiked when you get to the club.
    its often not really apparent when your drink is spiked because the most common drug used is GHB..which is odorless, colorless and tasteless and the effect mimics alcohol.
    Bullshit. GHB has an EXTREMELY strong salty taste, so much so that the idea of spiking a drink with enough to affect a person without noticeably ruining the taste of the drink is generally considered to not be very plausible among people who are actually knowledgeable about GHB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by Hauser
    spiking drinks does happen.
    In the sense that anything and everything probably happens at least a few times somewhere in the world. But the "epidemic" of drink spiking that everyone worries about is an urban myth. You are probably hundreds or thousands of times more likely to be run over by a car on the way to your club than to have your drink spiked when you get to the club.
    its often not really apparent when your drink is spiked because the most common drug used is GHB..which is odorless, colorless and tasteless and the effect mimics alcohol.
    Bullshit. GHB has an EXTREMELY strong salty taste, so much so that the idea of spiking a drink with enough to affect a person without noticeably ruining the taste of the drink is generally considered to not be very plausible among people who are actually knowledgeable about GHB.

    i dont particularly care to go into details...but i speak from personal experience. as in it actually happened to me.

    so fuck you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauser
    i dont particularly care to go into details...but i speak from personal experience. as in it actually happened to me.
    Was it confirmed with blood tests? Many studies have shown that the vast, vast majority of people who believe their drink was spiked were mistaken. Besides, the fact that you think GHB is "tasteless" kind of torpedoes your credibility...it tastes like someone poured an enetire salt shaker into a cup of coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauser
    i dont particularly care to go into details...but i speak from personal experience. as in it actually happened to me.

    so fuck you.
    You're really quite emotional, aren't you?
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