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  1. #1 How many foods to stay healthy 
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    I know variety is better, but I have a list of 6 foods that provide all vitamins(that I know of), I'd like people to tell me what they think.

    Brewers yeast: protein, carbs, B vitamins, Iron, electrolytes
    Tomato Powder: vitamins: mostly A and C, carbs, electrolytes, protein
    Sweet Pepper Powder vitamins: mostly A and C, carbs, electrolytes, protein
    Olive Oil: fats, vitamins K and E
    clam Powder(mmm mmm): b12, iron, protein and other stuff
    Iodized Salt: sodium, iodine

    there is no source of D that I am aware of, but since this is meant for backpacking, and I intend to do most backpacking outdoors, I think I will be getting plenty.

    I haven't determined the ratios of each ingredient yet but this is what I'm thinking. 3 lbs of this stuff will be like, 2 lbs 2 oz veggie powder, 8 oz yeast, 4 oz olive oil, 1 oz mollusk powder and 1 oz of salt... that is a VERY rough estimate, it will take some calculations to figure out what is best... my problem is I always end up with too much protein and fats, this won't be too bad during strenuous hiking, but over a long period of time, it would be contradictory, I'm thinking of mixing in a little bit of rice starch in place of some veggie powder

    so 6 or 7 foods, that's as low as I can get

    you can probably get lower if dealing with regular household foods

    It is not a pleasant diet, but it provides more than enough of most nutrients and plenty of the rest, in a lightweight compact form ideal for backpacking.

    Some don't like the idea of living off of the same thing every day, some think you can't just make a super mix of nutrients and calories and survive. I will be testing it to see how well I feel, stressing myself physically and mentally. It won't be scientific without double blind tests and controls, but it will give me the information I need to know if this is worth testing like that.


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    chances are u wont be needing the vitamins or minerals as much as you think; you store A, B12, D,E & K in the liver as well as most minerals which can often be recycled by the body.
    You really just need C & most Bs regarding vitamins & at that u dont need a lot.

    You really will need to up the carbs more than any other food group so keep that in mind.

    Why are you so devoted to the powders!??!! What are you trying to test here. You will still need your fibre! Some solid food might not be the worst idea!


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    There is plenty of fiber in this mix: yeast and veggie powders all have fiber, I'm actually worried there is too much fiber.

    There are a couple reasons for using powders vs "solid" food

    -they take up less space, especially when vacuum packed
    -they reconstitute quicker
    -I believe they digest easier but can't find any proof of that

    I prefer to save as much weight and space for water.

    Cut down on the vitamins? Why? Add them all together and they are an insignificant amount of weight. You tend to use your reserve vitamins when stressed, mentally and, in this case, physically.

    Also there are plenty of carbs in the yeast and veggie powders.
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    Whole foods rich in anti-stress vitamins and minerals are stress fighters and we have to incorporate them in our diet as many as possible.

    Magnesium.
    It has been found that people under stress have low magnesium levels. A deficiency of magnesium interferes with transmission of nerve and muscle impulses, causing irritability and nervousness. Try to eat more apples, dried apricots, avocados, brown rice, garlic, grapefruit, lemons, leafy vegetables, millet, nuts, sesame seeds, salmon (wild caught).

    Calcium.
    Our body needs a proper balance between magnesium and calcium to have a healthy stress response. Healthy foods rich in Calcium are almonds, asparagus, broccoli, cabbage, figs, kale, kelp, mustard greens, oats, prunes, sesame seeds, salmon, seafood, sesame seeds, tofu, plain yogurt / kefir.

    B6.
    Studies show that people who are depressed have low levels of B6 and serotonin. We need eat more avocados, bananas, fish, spinach, walnuts -to get more Vitamin B6.

    B12.
    As we know, B12 deficiency can contribute too many anxiety disorders caused by stress, such as hormonal imbalances, blood sugar fluctuations, chronic fatigue, depression, irritability, moodiness, nervousness. To eat more salmon, seafood, sea vegetables (if we don’t eat meat) will help. A detailed plan with suggestions for reducing stress overload you can find in my eBook “ DeStress-101-Survival Kit for Busy Women”

    II. The second step in helping us feel better and be healthier during Winter is to boost our immune system with winter detox.

    We need to drink more water (filtered of course!) - it helps us eliminate more toxins. In winter it makes sense to drink more teas with Dandelion, Nettles, Ginger, Burdock Root.

    Shifting from the most congesting foods (sweets, diary products, bread, fats, fried foods, refined flours, meats, hydrogenated fats, drugs) to the least (fruits and vegetables, grains, nuts and legumes) can help most of us detoxify somewhat and bring us into balance in general.

    And we don’t need an excuse to wait for spring to cleanse our bodies, because we can use winter detox super foods, such as apples, beets, celery, squashes, garlic, carrots, onions, green leafy vegetables, lemons, oranges, parsley, seaweed, beans as well as detoxifying spices like turmeric, coriander, fennel, cumin right now.

    We need to include these fantastic foods in our routine and use one or two every day. Why? Because these foods purify our blood, purify and protect our liver, cleanse the intestines. More on Super Simple Detox - in my eBook “Detox - 101″

    Never forget that it is also very important to avoid certain foods if you want to stay healthy and not to get colds. My article “Super Foods to Avoid...” has the list of foods to stay away from.
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    According to this study you don't want to overdo the vitamins when you exercise.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8043456.stm

    On my last outing we took chicken curry, veggie curry, spaghetti and meatballs, bacon, eggs, muffins, oatmeal, dried fruit and snickers bars.

    Edit: Oh, and strawberry cheesecake and Pecan Sandies.
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    why?

    I've heard that flax seeds can create a dependancy. I do not know if it's due to the fats or the proteins.

    Olive oil has vitamin E(like most cooking oils) and vitamin K

    what does flax oil have?
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    It should be flax seed oil is a blue flowering plant that is grown on the Western Canadian Prairies for its oil rich seeds.
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    Here is a post I made in another, similar topic, which was largely ignored:

    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    Have you considered army ration packs? They are available on ebay, or were last time I checked, and simply need heating in water for a few minutes. There are a wide range of different full meals available, and they take up hardly any space. I suspect they are also carefully nutritionally balanced. Water used in cooking is not lost, and so can be used to make drinks/use for washing. If the water is not going to be put to any other use, it need not be clean, saving clean water.

    Drinks made with the water used to heat a ration pack are palatable, but taste a little funny; I've tested it.

    I believe there are vegetarian versions available.


    Alternatively, if you're a vegetarian (like me), you can buy packs of pre-cooked rice and pasta, with sauces etc. from most supermarkets. My favourites for taking on hikes are tomato and maserpone pasta, which heat up in 1-2 mins using no aditional water, and are fairly nutritionally balanced.

    I always try to take a variety of different meals, combined with nuts and dried fruit to eat between meals. For a 100 day trip, it may be worth taking suppliments, but I would say it is not necessary; I have lived for weeks at a time on the above diet (not when on trips; just laziness) and suffered no ill effects.

    Lastly, depending where you are going, it may be worth researching edible plants in the region, and looking at laws regarding fishing. Fresh food will bring some much-needed variety to your diet.
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    MREs are expensive
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    For Vitamin E I'd recommend sunflower seeds, avocados, almonds and asaragus.

    For Vitamin D, either milk or the sun. (can reduce cancer risk possibly..can lower cholesterol definitely)

    For beta-carotene (Vitamin A presursor)- eat carrots, papayas and mangoes (helps vision, as night blindness—the inability to see well in dim light—is associated with a deficiency of vitamin A.)

    Vitamin K is found chiefly in leafy green vegetables such as spinach, swiss chard, cabbage, cauliflower, and broccoli. ( vitamin K is a hydrophobic vitamin that is needed for the posttranslational modification of certain proteins, mostly required for blood coagulation)

    The B vitamins are eight water-soluble vitamins that play important roles in cell metabolism. They have several functions:

    -Supporting and increasing the rate of metabolism
    -Maintaining healthy skin and muscle tone
    -Enhancing immune and nervous system function
    -Promoting cell growth and division—including that of the red blood cells that help prevent anemia

    They are found in meat, potatoes, bananas, beans and chile peppers.

    Vitamin C is found in oranges, strawberries, lemons and cantelopes. A deficiency in this vitamin leads to scurvy because the body can't synthesize collagen as well as normal (scury leads to the formation of spots on the skin, spongy gums, and bleeding from the mucous membranes. The spots are most abundant on the thighs and legs..teeth loss can occur..very rare in modern times in civilized countries)
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    people seem to be too much preocuppied with what they eat these days and whether the get the right components. we are all different builds because we come from different cultural backgrounds and our genetic set-up is different. if you only eat beef, blood and milk as massays do you probably won't have a long and healthy life. but they stay healthy on their food. it personally think that it largely depends on whether you eat processed food or raw fresh food and how much you eat. the less you eat the better
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