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  1. #1 Destroying disease with electricity… 
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    I trust that there are many of you on this board who are in school and majoring in the sciences…especially if you want to get into medicine, and I am sure there are some of you that already are doctors, biologists, and medical researchers…

    Well I just wanted to get your opinion on something that I have been looking into for the past year and using myself. I am a 2nd year college student at the University of New Orleans and majoring in biology, and hopefully I will be getting into a premed program…but I am still undecided.

    Anyway, around the time I was 16, I started looking online for anything that could help me get rid of or help me fight a really annoying virus. Yes, I have had herpes simplex 1, apparently my sister had it too…must have been a kiss from a aunt or something, maybe even my parents had it…around the time I was 17 I had a shingles outbreak, and it really freaked me out…So I looked and looked online, researched all the new vaccines that were being developed, which seemed to be far and far away from being finished, and anything “alternative” if you will…

    I came across article about 2 research scientists at the Einstein university of New York

    Here is a quote:

    “In the Fall of 1990, two medical researchers, Drs.William Lyman and Steven Kaali, working at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City made an important discovery. They found that they could inactivate the HIV virus by applying a low voltage direct current electrical potential with an extremely small current flow to AIDS infected blood in a test tube. Initially, they discovered this in the lab by inserting two platinum electrodes into a glass tube filled with HIV-1 (type 1) infected blood. They applied a direct current to the electrodes and found that a current flow in the range of 50-100 microamperes (uA) produced the most effective results. Practically all of the HIV viral particles were adversely affected while normal blood cells remained unharmed. The viral particles were not directly destroyed by the electric current, but rather the outer protein coating of the virus was affected in such a way as to prevent the virus from producing reverse transcriptase, a necessary enzyme needed by the virus to invade human cells. Reverse transcriptase allows the virus to enter a human T cell line (called CEM-SS) and commandeer the DNA reproduction machinery. After using the host cell to reproduce itself into thousands of new virii, the swollen host cell (now called syncytia or giant cell) will burst and spew the contents into the bloodstream or lymph system. This is how the virus spreads, but lacking reverse transcriptase, the HIV virus can't invade the host cell and it becomes vulnerable to destruction by the body's immune system. (The details of this experiment can be read from Kaali's patent application.)”

    http://educate-yourself.org/be/

    Here is the patent itself:
    http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5139684

    Now when I read that I was REALLY intrigued, and started doing more research. Eventually I was led to a article on a man by the name of Robert Becker, who took the idea that those 2 scientists had and developed into a more usable form in vevo…

    Here are the first 2 videos I saw

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...48315844437935

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86730805958061

    After doing even more research, I came to the conclusion that this basically had the same effect to any virus…I eventually found out about a yahoo group that had a very crude version of the device, basically producing the same results with a 12volt battery, 6ft power cord, and some cloth or sponge…

    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...itygermkiller/

    I said “ahh what the hell”, and made the simple device, I had a couple of outbreaks on my lip, before I noticed that there was a herpes section and a precise way of fighting the outbreak…basically placing the (wet) wire that is rapped in cloth or a sponge on the area that the outbreak is occurring…a couple of weeks had passed since my last ob, and I felt another one coming on, the area got a little red, and tingly just like when it happens, and I got really. I placed the “electrodes” on the outbreak area and I could feel the current coming through, I switched with both the positive and the negative electrodes…every once in a while…after about 10min of “zapping” if you will, I took a alcohol pad and cleaned the outbreak area, I came back and checked it 10min later…and it looked and felt as if NOTHING was developing.

    I even made a post on the group…

    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/14970

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 1:07 PM
    Subject: [germkiller] herpes simplex outbreak gone in a couple hours


    ”Alright well last night was the first time in a while i actually had a
    outbreak, i didn't realize it at the time but later in that day i did
    notice something around the side of my mouth, just a little redness
    and kind of itchy. I didn't make much out of it, i thought it was just
    a rash or something. Well later that night at around 1:20am i think, i
    felt that area and it was like 2 little blisters. I knew i had an
    outbreak, i went to the mirror and saw that i had two blisters
    developing, it looked small but i knew that it was probably gonna get
    bigger. Well i went and got my Apprentice Godzilla, i wetted the
    cotton on the wire, and went to work. I put the positive on on the
    blister, and the negative one in my hand, i would leave the positive
    on the blister for a minuet then move it around every once in a while.
    I also found something that i didn't realize before, that when i was
    holding the negative and when i gave it allot of pressure like trying
    to crush it with my hand, the current on the positive felt very
    powerful, i did that from time to time.

    Well i used the apprentice Godzilla for 5 min. Then i got out my wrist
    blood electrifier, and used that for about 20min. i went to sleep
    around 5:00 in the morning and woke up around 1:00am.

    Well let me tell you its gone, alright it hasn't even developed, i
    mean by now if i hadn't done it probably would have been another
    couple of blisters there, a little bigger and redder, and well thats
    basically it. But it is gone, completely, in a matter of hours after
    the use of the Godzilla it is GONE. I mean this was the first time i
    used the apprentice Godzilla, i never would have imagined it to work
    this fast, thanks BG for your amazing idea.”


    I kept using it for a couple of months, and it worked great, but after a while the copper from the wires, turned into copper sulphate, and it was useless…so I just switched to another new wire, and it worked perfectly…Eventually I found out about the company SOTA Instruments, who took bob becks idea and made it available, to people…I bought one of their silver pulsers and I cant tell you how many “obs” I have fought off

    Anyway, since the use of ac current and dc current is used in both the battery device and the pulser…they both produce the same results. What if this was used in a larger and full body form…?

    I once read that Nicola Tesla passed millions of volts through his body. What did this do to his body? Would a person that was infected with a virus such as aids, or malaria, my virus…would the viruses in his body be “destroyed!”?

    I have read that cattle farmers who got electrocuted by the cattle fences by accident saw that their ailments were no more…

    If a person suffering from a disease was shocked with a tazer what would happen to the disease? Would the tazer affect it in anyway?

    I am just putting out ideas on how electricity can be used to fight off disease, maybe even the ones that are causing so much trouble in our world.

    I would also like to point out this article for people that are interested in learning more… http://www.geocities.com/a57ngel/PetAlternatives/

    We may have a new way of fighting cancer with this!


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    Looking at your personal experience in this matter how would you rule out the placebo effect?


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    how can there be a plecebo effect...its a virus, that causes intense outbreaks that look like small little bubbly blisters...which usually take 1-2 weeks to heal if not treated.

    I was able to reduce the healing time even when i had a day old outbreak to about 2-3 days...and if i felt an outbreak coming, i could fight it off, and it would not develop.

    The electric current probably thwarts a certain enzyme or even just like with the hiv/aids article, it messes up the outer protein layer of the virus so it does not develop...i am still not sure

    but it works, so why cant it work for other things, i mean...maybe you should watch the videos
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    An n of one. Just what we need in a doc - a complete misunderstanding of science and apparently this eager clown fails to understand the placebo effect. Herpes outbreaks are well known to respond to emotional and stress effects.

    And do spare us your sophomoric 1/2-assed mechanisms.

    Here's an idea - try it on your hemorrhoids. Just stick it and turn the switch on.
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    obviously you misunderstood what i was saying...i admit that the outbreak is caused by emotional status, and allot of other factors. But still if you are getting an outbreak, if you feel and see it coming...THERE IS NO WAY TO STOP IT, unless you pound down anti viral pills and cream, and even then there is no chance.

    This on the other hand, when the outbreak is happening, that is when you can visibly see sores popping up. i have found that the electrical current goes deep within the skin, and can be felt all over the applied area. An i think it stops the replication procress, and healing is almost instant...in a few hours i mean..hahah


    I admit i am not a scientists/doctor, and that is why i came to this board to see what people think about this...

    Jorge1907, you obviously haven't read anything that i posted in the first post...so please leave your ego at the door and go read, and then comment. Oh and please stop with the insults, you keyboard warriors are all the same, little kittens that think they are big behind their computer screen.
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    atsguy,
    Jorge's comments about your understanding - or rather lack of understanding - of the placebo effect appear to have been well placed. Herpes attacks can halt mid stream. This can occur because of 'mind set'. Therefore, if you believe that the electric current is going to produce a positive result it is quite likely to do so.

    It would require a very skillful experimental set up to remove the potential for a placebo effect. Frankly, I can't think of how this could be done, since I presume the application of current is detectable. Do you have any ideas on how it could be overcome?

    Jorge's remarks were a little precipitate. However, it is somewhat troubling that a 2nd year student in biology with an interest in medicine would so completely misunderstand the application of placebo effect in this instance. Let's focus on the idea and reserve the name calling for another time.
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    My idea is somewhat similar to this... but not on DC.

    Sounds like you are pretty driven by this.

    If you have access to a physics and bio lab and you are free to do experiments there, mail me. Let's discuss this over the phone.
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