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| dejawolf |
 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: hate and fear |
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just a simple thought i had today,
could hate be fear run amok?
or is it a combination of anger and fear?
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| icewendigo |
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hate is just a reaction to something unfirmiliar
so yes it's fear
it just causes some people to react differently
thats why not everyone is in the KKK
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| Pong |
| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm terminally open minded, but, have never felt an instant hatred for something new. It's something that grows with apprehension of the badness of a thing. The more confirmed, the more hated.
One can hate through indignation, aggressively too. So fear may or may not be present. |
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| dejawolf |
| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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i've hated a few times, due to unjust.
and my hate always culminated in some blinding berserker rage,
after long periods of fear and isolation.
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| JaneBennet |
| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: Re: hate and fear |
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| dejawolf wrote: |
could hate be fear run amok?
or is it a combination of anger and fear? |
I don’t think hate and fear are correlated. While you can both hate and fear something, it is clearly possible to hate something without fearing it (e.g. contempt), and to fear something without hating it (e.g. a life-threatening situation).
Similarly, you can be angry with something without hating/fearing it, and vice versa.
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| KALSTER |
| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| I don’t think hate and fear are correlated. |
I'd rather say that all emotions are inter-correlated.
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| NeptuneCircle |
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| I always thought of hate as just angered expressed. Anger and fear are similiar in the sense that they both trigger the flight-or-fight response: however one who is angry will most likely choose fight over flight. |
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| Selene |
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Hate is a very strong emotion.
From my experience hate always seems to come with bitterness and resentment.
Anger passes, but hate is something which seems to be prolonged and accumulated.
For example if someone pisses us off, then we can have feelings of revenge or temporary loathing, but it soon passes, whereas hate is more long term and the person doing the hating actually wants to do harm to the person they hate.
Hatred is one of the worst of the negative human emotions, as well as irrational fear.
Fear is normal, we all feel it, in a healthy context it's a protective behaviour which prevents us from doing anything stupid,
Fear of parachuting out of a plane is to be expected and normal, but a fear of bees or plastic bags for example is irrational
But unhealthy fear is often irrational and magnifies the thing feared, and in this context can amount to a disability or mental illness.
Fear of the unknown can be disabling, especially if it prevent a person expanding their horizons and trying something new.
Fear of foreigners or people different to ourselves is also irrational, and as history has demonstrated, it can also become genocidal!
Best technique to get rid of irrational fears? Face them and become acquainted with that which you fear!
Best way to get rid of hate? Recognize that which you hate so much in another person can also be identified in yourself. Don't be suckered into projecting your negative crap onto somebody else. Forgive yourself, forgive them and move on.
Bitterness, resentment and hate can seriously damage your health long-term!
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| Pong |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I hate it:
The phage. Look what it's doing to that cell. Combination spider, syringe, and alien bodysnatcher. To me, this is evil most most primal.
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| Recognize that which you hate so much in another person can also be identified in yourself. Don't be suckered into projecting your negative crap onto somebody else. Forgive yourself, forgive them and move on. |
Yeah, I try, just as you say. I tell myself we couldn't live without them. But... ooh *shivers* I hate them! I carry sperm and I still hate them. All of them.
Maybe some hate is alright? Suppose people need to hate. Something, anything. Then we shouldn't try to diminish it, but rather, direct it. Managing emotions could be a game of target selection. |
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| Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate ...leads to suffering |
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| Selene |
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| Pong wrote: |
I hate it:
The phage. Look what it's doing to that cell. Combination spider, syringe, and alien bodysnatcher. To me, this is evil most most primal.
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| Recognize that which you hate so much in another person can also be identified in yourself. Don't be suckered into projecting your negative crap onto somebody else. Forgive yourself, forgive them and move on. |
Yeah, I try, just as you say. I tell myself we couldn't live without them. But... ooh *shivers* I hate them! I carry sperm and I still hate them. All of them.
Maybe some hate is alright? Suppose people need to hate. Something, anything. Then we shouldn't try to diminish it, but rather, direct it. Managing emotions could be a game of target selection. |
 You're funny!
Yeah and also did you know that amidst the sperm that are aiming for that egg are others who's sole role is to fight?
They are the army sperm and their job is to fight the womans immune system, who sees them as a foreign enemy, long enough in order for the others to be able to impregnate her, but they also kill and fight off any other sperm from another male which might be introduced during their attempts at impregnation.
Amazing! And just goes to show how cruel and callous nature really is. It's on a mission and nothings gonna stand in it's way.
Babies aren't made solely from peace and love, behind the scenes there's a massacre and genocide going on!
When i sit in my garden on a summers day for a nice peaceful snooze and have a good look at what's going on around me, I don't see peace! I see warfare, struggle and strife. It's a spider eat fly world out there. The wasps are the worst!
So, is it just us humans who are prone to sentimentality and attach feelings to things? There doesn't seem to be any morals in the animal kingdom. Or perhaps their idea of 'treat your neighbour as you yourself wish to be treated' means 'If i don't eat you first, you are going to eat me!'
And i understand what you mean about sperm becoming those horrible things called 'humans' (take that mirror away from me!)
I have to say i started out as an idealized teenager wearing flowers in my hair and stars on my forehead really trying hard to do what Buddha said about compassion, but i have to admit, the older i get the misanthropic i become.
It used to be my dream that we would all live happily on some big worldwide free love commune and now i'm saving hard for retirement on some isolated mountain top as far away from the buggers as i can possibly get! (with no mirrors, except for scrying!)
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| Pong |
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| Selene wrote: |
So, is it just us humans who are prone to sentimentality and attach feelings to things? There doesn't seem to be any morals in the animal kingdom. Or perhaps their idea of 'treat your neighbour as you yourself wish to be treated' means 'If i don't eat you first, you are going to eat me!'
I have to say i started out as an idealized teenager wearing flowers in my hair and stars on my forehead really trying hard to do what Buddha said about compassion, but i have to admit, the older i get the misanthropic i become. |
I reckon we have these feelings, in the first place, then seek objects to attach them to. My 1st grade son is being taught, practically religiously, to "be kind to nature". This material now saturates the elementary schools, and I predict we'll see a generation with all the inborn emotions of earlier generations, yet no "man vs. environment" option. So where will they direct their (natural, healthy, inevitable) negative energy? Onto each other of course. Man vs. man. Or, man vs. man-made.
My work environment isn't built of people, it's physical. It is easy and productive that I look for trouble in objects. After a day of picking and nagging and obsession with some physical problems, I simply have no urge to troubleshoot the people around me. People ought to be the last objects we pour excess negative energies into, yet, we're so convenient; and for modern folk, so deprived of environmental challenges.
I witness a lot of people regarding the homo sapiens world as "environment", just as though it were a jungle. |
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Hate is anger growing in secrecy.
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| Pong |
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Here's a sample I found:
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I hate them all!!!!!!!!!!
Omfg
ERGH I HATE MY MUM AND MY SISTER!!!
I GET BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING!
I GET HIT FOR NOTHING
I ACTUALLY JUST WANT TO BE DEAD INSTEAD!
i hate them so so much!!!!!!
i get blamed for cleaning up!!!! (i dident)
But my mum couldent find the remote so i got screamed at!!
Like my life hasnt got enough problems other than them at the moment!!
omfg!
I seriously HATE them!
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UM....i aint mad i just hate them |
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