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    So I've been on this forum for far too long now (if that's possible) and I've yet to disclose my age; so, with some hesitance I now will, for the purpose of my question.

    I live in the US (but I really am from Mars) and I just turned 21 a few days ago. I spent my first Friday night at age 21 watching X-Files episodes and now my first Saturday off I had a nice quiet day of Martial Arts and reading. I've yet to have a single drink (I've been sober for 21 years). Everyone I know that is younger than me wants me to buy them alcohol and everyone I know who's older wants to buy me a drink.

    What is this fascination with alcohol in America? From my understanding it's not so in other countries. I went to Japan a few months back and found Sake machines on the streets. I think the legal age there is 20 but I don't think the vending machine really cares.
    It seems that alcohol is some kind of right-of-passage in America. The sooner you drink the sooner you are respected as an adult; along with driving and living away from your parents.
    I don't actively oppose drinking, I simply prefer to avoid it. I probably will have a drink in a few days but I won't get drunk. It's called "moderation" I believe.

    Am I the only one? Where did this phenomenon come from? Your thoughts?

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    Personally, why people enjoy getting drunk completely baffles me. Someone I know once said something to the effect of "I've never heard of a good life event happening when someone is drunk." To me it's nothing but mildly poisoning oneself. It's beyond me as to why anyone would do something that causes them to lose their better judgment and and likely end up looking like an idiot. As for the 'rite of passage' idea, well, again, I don't see how alcohol does anything good for you, and I don't see what's 'adult' or 'respectable' about getting drunk and acting like an idiot. I'd imagine it has something to do with the fact that there's an age limit on drinking. If there were no limit, it would't be as big a deal to teenagers. And also, I'm now realizing that perhaps it's not about being treated like an adult, it's probably more about being rebellious and doing it just because you're not supposed to. Personally, I'm not at the legal drinking age yet, have never drank alcohol, and never intend to. I'd rather drink too many cans of soda and have a stomach ache than drink too much alcohol, lose my judgment, and make a show of myself. So that's what I think.


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    I'm kinda in the same boat as you. A friend of mine always comes to work late with a hangover and talks about how her and her friends spent the whole night puking up blood. Doesn't make much sense to me.
    I think it's a lack of education. People don't have anything meaningful to discuss so they get drunk and just say random, pointless stuff to their drunk friends who then laugh because they're too out of it to even understand anything. Then they get to share their misery about the hangover. "Oh my god... I'm so hung over"; me: "maybe you should stop drinking then "

    I do have an appreciation for the aesthetic of it however. For example, if I were ever to be playing poker at a casino (which I don't really do) I might order a Vodka Martini, "shaken, not stirred".
    I have heard that in Japan the business men will go out at night for drinks and discuss business in less formal ways, allowing for those with a lower status to voice their opinions in an acceptable way. Even so, I'm not sure I'd participate... who knows.

    I've actually had someone tell me about a night of drinking and then when I acted uninterested they would say something like "your too young to understand"... "wait... I'm two years older than you... maybe I'm too old for you to understand." *sigh* teenagers know everything don't they... I know I did. Then again, I still do.

    Anyways, I just think it's funny how people act here in the U.S. I guess not everyone is like this but it seems many are (at least the ones at the bottom of the pay scale that is).
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    The drinking age is 16 here for beer (18 for strong stuff). So it's not much of a rebellion to get drunk at that age. The 'rite of passage' shifts from just drinking beer to drinking it 'ad fundum', to empty a 0.33 liter glass in half a minute or so..

    I can see the fun of having 1 or 2 beers, it's a nice 'ice-breaker' if you don't know the people well. But getting drunk is beyond me. People who have something to talk about or can have fun with their friends with games or so don't need to get drunk, getting drunk only hinders that.

    I guess that's the problem, a lot of people just don't know how to have fun with eachother. They visit multiple 'parties' every week without having anything to celebrate, with just beer, music (so you can't talk) and people. Getting drunk seems the only thing you can do in such an environment..
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    Well drinking age in Quebec is 18 but giving wine to minors is rarely penalized and is considered normal. I don't get drunk because alcoholism runs in my family and I've seen people's lives destroyed by it. I just have a personal aversion to it.

    I will only consume alcohol in small enough amounts that I don't get drunk. A small glass of champagne on New Years is usually about 1/8 of my yearly alcohol consumption lol.
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    There's a terrible problem in the UK which i believe is reaching epidemic proportions with alcohol.

    Predominantly it's young people binge drinking at the weekends, but there also seems to be an increase in general of people drinking at home and veering towards alcoholicism.

    Apparently there is a major increase in hospitals of young people coming in with sclerosis of the liver and livers the equivalent to a 60yr old heavy drinkers.

    They just seem to go mad with it at the weekends and pubs have happy hours where drink is cheap.
    Alcohol is freely available in supermarkets and on shop corners.

    You regularly see groups of kids younger than 18 drinking in parks.

    As a parent it worries me. At home we sometimes drink wine with a meal and occasionally I'll have one can of guiness or lager and sometimes i will make my son (he's 13) a weak shandy, or give him a small glass of wine watered with fruit juice if it's a special occasion.

    I hoped that this would teach him to drink sensibly.
    Yet he has said he can't wait until he's 18 and he can go clubbing and get pissed!
    It's seems to be the British culture! It's not good.

    I think it has to do with a societies attitude towards drinking.

    I wonder what the best psychology is to deal with it.

    Is it better to bar youngsters from alcohol until 18. Does that make it worse because when they do turn 18 they go mad for it?

    Is it better to introduce alcohol to family meals like the French do and where there isn't a drinking culture as bad as in Britain, and where youngsters get used to it.

    I do believe the government should curb the sale of alcohol.

    It amazes me how they have all these smoking bans and penalize the use of soft drugs like cannabis yet are quite happy to let alcohol be sold freely.

    Alcohol can make people violent and drunk drivers are potential murderers. So it just doesn't make sense.

    Perhaps the revenue the Government get back on Britains drink problem makes it all worth while for them!
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    I understand that from 1 June 2008, it will be illegal to consume alcohol on public transport such as buses. It will be illegal to board a bus with an open can or bottle of alcohol. (If you’ve bought some beer or wine at Sainsbury’s and are taking it home on the bus, that’s fine – but you’re not allowed to drink it on the bus.) Bus drivers have to ensure that passengers comply with the new law, otherwise the drivers themselves may get into trouble (and possibly lose their job).

    At least the new law will apply to London’s buses, but I take it it will be the same throughout the country. It’s a step in the right direction. I think the government should bring in laws to regulate consumption of alcohol in other public areas as well.
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    It's just another form of escapism, isn't it? Alcohol is just another drug and is only so poorly controlled because it is so entrenched in society. Some places disallow alcohol in stadiums because of the impending danger of many lives being lost at once. It somehow sits better in the mind. I guess it is just another case of politics at work! Imagine the outrage and chaos that will erupt if all alcohol and cigarettes were banned? I take a drink now and again, but it has been quite a few years since I have been too drunk to drive. The reason I stopped getting drunk was that I hated not being able to regain my faculties at a moments notice. When the night was over I just wanted to stop being drunk, but instead had to endure till morning. Not my idea of fun. That is the main reason I never, and will never, try any kind of drug, including cannabis (Selene :wink: ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    There's a terrible problem in the UK which i believe is reaching epidemic proportions with alcohol.
    Wow, I had no idea. I was under the impression that alcohol was just a casual thing in the UK.

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    I wonder what the best psychology is to deal with it.

    Is it better to bar youngsters from alcohol until 18. Does that make it worse because when they do turn 18 they go mad for it?
    I'm not sure there is a best way to deal with it. When I was young my parents (especially my Dad) were VERY strict about things. But I don't think that had much to do with how I ended up. Even with strict parents you can still sneak out and get drunk. That's why it seems like such a peer pressure thing to me. I've always been able to easily just say "no" to anything. The more I said no the more I saw how the people who couldn't say no ended up. And thus, the more I said "no". I'm sure there is some sort of environmental influence like parents and school but I can't say what. Since about 16 my parents have been trying to get me to drink small amounts on special occasions. Who's parents try to get them to drink? Maybe it was because I was such a nerd when I was young. When I wanted to be bad I didn't drink; instead a couple friends and myself would sneak into places and skip classes to hide where we couldn't be found and what not. You know... we were the ones inventing those secret codes all the time, and passing notes around and NEVER getting caught. We, were the bad ones.

    That's awesome to hear that others have a similar understanding as myself. I guess this is the place to find such people after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    The reason I stopped getting drunk was that I hated not being able to regain my faculties at a moments notice. When the night was over I just wanted to stop being drunk, but instead had to endure till morning. Not my idea of fun. That is the main reason I never, and will never, try any kind of drug, including cannabis (Selene :wink: ).
    Well Kalster

    from my experience with alcohol nicotine and cannabis. I would say alcohol is the worst but coming very close to nicotine with cannabis being the most safe.

    I'm talking about cannabis not skunk, which is adulterated and should be classed with LSD.

    The advantage of cannabis is that you sleep well on it and don't have a hangover in the morning. And it's incredibly rare for anyone to become violent on it, in fact it's more likely to have the opposite effect.

    Whereas people often behave like moronic twats under the influence of drink.

    I would rather be in the company of people passing a joint than people getting drunk!

    But then yes no drug of any sort is better than some.

    I educate my son by talking with him, and warn him about the dangers of forming habits with anything. Too much of anything is a bad thing.

    I took him through town recently one Saturday night back from a friends so he could see how stupid the drunks look and behave. That put him off.

    Just seeing people behaving stupidly on drink is good education for young people i think.
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    Alcohol is a recreational drug that's legal. People enjoy feeling good, so many of them are happy to partake of an activity that will help them do so. And like any drug, it can be abused, or it can be used responsibly. I only get drunk with people I'm close and comfortable with, and we get goofy and silly together and so far, we've never had any problems.

    But I've known close friends of mine who abuse it, who drink until they black out EVERY time they go out, who have done ridiculous and awful things while drunk, including doing ridiculous and awful things to me. Which is why I didn't drink for a long time, until I met people with whom I actually trusted and felt comfortable enough with to get into that state and know that nothing bad would happen.

    I'm inclined to believe that if children and younger people have "good" experiences with alcohol or anything else that can be abused irresponsibly (and by "good" I mean experiences that are both fun but safe and responsible, whether they're drinking a little themselves or watching their family members drink), then they'll be more likely to be responsible with that substance/activity in the future when they're adults. But, I don't know how accurate my belief is. *shrugs*
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    Just a couple of thoughts...

    1. @ DaBOB - it will be difficult for you to criticise the alcohol experience with any credibility unless you've been happily drunk at least once. I know this is an unfair thing to say - after all, we tend to mock those who say "If you haven't experienced it you cannot comment on it", but in this case, because it is in some ways mind-altering, it is very difficult to get a handle on it. The positive side of this is that, unlike cigarettes, alcohol is not addictive on the first go, so given that it's legal, if you have friends you can trust and who know about drinking themselves, it's an experiment you can carry out without fear of too many after-effects or lifelong scars. Only if you're interested, of course - but it might help give you perspective on the behaviour of your apparently binge-drinking friends.

    2. @ JaneBennet - it's only the Tory Mayor of London (the man we call The Boris) who is instituting the alcohol ban on public transportation. So no, it is not nationwide, and I hope it stops in this city too - it's a meaningless, patriarchal approach to the matter, limiting our personal freedoms in the name of 'zero tolerance' (he is actually on record as saying that if you take car of the small crimes, the big crimes will take care of themselves - I look forward to the police making widespread use of tasers for traffic and parking offenses - Boris the Twat, more likely).

    3. @ Selene - I agree that binge drinking appears to have gone up in the UK but in mitigation of our tabloids' reactrions may I point out:

    a. It's a still a matter of informed consent, and the NHS doesn't own our lives.

    b. It has not made a huge dent in the average life expectancy of a Brit

    c. One of the obvious (and most tabloids point this out with gleeful conservative horror) reasons for the apparent increase is simply that sisters are doing it for themselves - more women are drinking amounts (or getting drunk to the extent) that are comparable with men.

    d. Think Darwin Awards - if these really are idiots getting drunk and killing themselves, they're improving the gene pool...

    Thems my thinks, anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrior
    @ JaneBennet - it's only the Tory Mayor of London (the man we call The Boris) who is instituting the alcohol ban on public transportation. So no, it is not nationwide, and I hope it stops in this city too - it's a meaningless, patriarchal approach to the matter, limiting our personal freedoms in the name of 'zero tolerance' (he is actually on record as saying that if you take car of the small crimes, the big crimes will take care of themselves - I look forward to the police making widespread use of tasers for traffic and parking offenses - Boris the Twat, more likely).
    Is zero tolerance on public nuisance behaviour a bad thing? If Boris Johnson were to introduce laws on how alcohol should be consumed in one’s own private home, then yes, that would be an encroachment on personal freedom. But come on, the law concerns drinking in public – in particular on public transport. People who drink and get drunk on buses are a nuisance – why shouldn’t their personal freedom to drink in such an instance be restricted for the sake of others?

    I depend a lot London’s buses to get around, and I’ve seen enough problems there already. Recently I was on a bus where there was a man who was very drunk and being violently abusive on board. The driver did nothing and all the other passengers had to do their best to put up with that moron’s behaviour.

    All very well for people who own cars and don’t need to travel on buses to make judgements on less fortunate people who have no choice but to use buses! Just drive your BMW and leave bus users to decide what’s best for London’s public transport, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBennet
    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrior
    @ JaneBennet - it's only the Tory Mayor of London (the man we call The Boris) who is instituting the alcohol ban on public transportation. So no, it is not nationwide, and I hope it stops in this city too - it's a meaningless, patriarchal approach to the matter, limiting our personal freedoms in the name of 'zero tolerance' (he is actually on record as saying that if you take car of the small crimes, the big crimes will take care of themselves - I look forward to the police making widespread use of tasers for traffic and parking offenses - Boris the Twat, more likely).
    Is zero tolerance on public nuisance behaviour a bad thing? If Boris Johnson were to introduce laws on how alcohol should be consumed in one’s own private home, then yes, that would be an encroachment on personal freedom. But come on, the law concerns drinking in public – in particular on public transport. People who drink and get drunk on buses are a nuisance – why shouldn’t their personal freedom to drink in such an instance be restricted for the sake of others?

    I depend a lot London’s buses to get around, and I’ve seen enough problems there already. Recently I was on a bus where there was a man who was very drunk and being violently abusive on board. The driver did nothing and all the other passengers had to do their best to put up with that moron’s behaviour.

    All very well for people who own cars and don’t need to travel on buses to make judgements on less fortunate people who have no choice but to use buses! Just drive your BMW and leave bus users to decide what’s best for London’s public transport, please.
    You make some good points (and BW I'm a daily bus user and love 'em), and my point was only that drinking in itself is not wrong - it is the violent and/or otherwise aggressive behaviour you describe that is wrong. And we already have laws for those.

    The law regarding drinking, therefore, can only be described as a prophylactic measure - the drinking itself is not wrong, but the behaviour in some cases as a result of it is. Now in certain situations (like seatbelt laws) we can demonstrate that even if there are only a percentage of circumstances that the law will change, these are high enough, and important enough, to justify this prophylaxis.

    Has Boris made such a case, or is he simply riding the bandwagon of people's anecdotal evidence (a key Tory tactic)?

    Every time our freedoms are reduced we should need good reasons for it. Unfortunately, "Enough people have told me they don't like it" seems to be reason enough these days...

    It's a pity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrior
    You make some good points (and BW I'm a daily bus user and love 'em), and my point was only that drinking in itself is not wrong - it is the violent and/or otherwise aggressive behaviour you describe that is wrong. And we already have laws for those.

    The law regarding drinking, therefore, can only be described as a prophylactic measure - the drinking itself is not wrong, but the behaviour in some cases as a result of it is. Now in certain situations (like seatbelt laws) we can demonstrate that even if there are only a percentage of circumstances that the law will change, these are high enough, and important enough, to justify this prophylaxis.

    Has Boris made such a case, or is he simply riding the bandwagon of people's anecdotal evidence (a key Tory tactic)?

    Every time our freedoms are reduced we should need good reasons for it. Unfortunately, "Enough people have told me they don't like it" seems to be reason enough these days...

    It's a pity.
    Agreed. However if you regularly take London’s buses you’ll also feel that the problems here are like nowhere else. London’s buses are regularly crowded and passengers have to put up with other passengers. In such a situation it’s important to make sure that they don’t fall victims to the stupid behaviour of a minority of idiots. If you regularly have to put up with fellow passengers listening to annoying music, eating smelly food, chattering on their mobiles, etc, the last you want is to share your bus journey with an inebriated hooligan.

    Besides, even if you’re just drinking to relax and not to get drunk, I’m sure you’ll enjoy your drink better in the comfort of your own home than in the crowded and stuffy atmosphere of a public bus.

    I’ve been on buses in the neighbouring counties of Essex and Hertfordshire, and there don’t seem to be any similar problems with those (apart from the fact that they’re not as frequent as London ones ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrior
    Just a couple of thoughts...

    1. @ DaBOB - it will be difficult for you to criticise the alcohol experience with any credibility unless you've been happily drunk at least once. I know this is an unfair thing to say - after all, we tend to mock those who say "If you haven't experienced it you cannot comment on it", but in this case, because it is in some ways mind-altering, it is very difficult to get a handle on it. The positive side of this is that, unlike cigarettes, alcohol is not addictive on the first go, so given that it's legal, if you have friends you can trust and who know about drinking themselves, it's an experiment you can carry out without fear of too many after-effects or lifelong scars. Only if you're interested, of course - but it might help give you perspective on the behaviour of your apparently binge-drinking friends.
    Isn't that the devil's line right there. You can't understand until you try it. I remember a smoker telling me that. Then a young friend of mine (who also knew this smoker) decided to start up. Now she's telling me, you can't understand until you try it. haha, NO, you're wrong, I can understand. Apparently it is you who can't ("you" being the poor smoker who WILL die young).
    I've been hanging out with friends long enough to get silly and stupid without the influence of alcohol. And, I've seen what alcohol does to people and generally I want nothing to do with them while they are in such a state. Unless we're playing some poker... and I win all their money. So yeah, I've heard it a million times. Are you trying to say that it is because these people have experienced it that they truly know how enjoyable it is? If so, all the more reason not to do it.
    I'm tired of "credibility". As if I have some responsibility to prove a drunk is wasting their life. So, NO, I have no credibility. I'm just some ignorant guy ranting his brains out who really doesn't understand. I haven't spent the last 21 years of my life observing the many mistakes of myself and others. Drink your alcohol, smoke your cigs, sit on the couch, watch your TV and eat your cake. But when you get sick and tired of this life don't you dare complain to my ears, for I am ignorant and would not understand your complaints.

    This idea of drunks on buses is another matter. I think it isn't a problem to outlaw it however. Unless there is a law that says I can beat the $%^@ out of a drunk and throw him off the moving bus than he can walk home and stay away from the buses. The problem is that companies don't care as long as their getting paid. For example we have no smoking laws here for our bars. This is because the people who go to bars would like the comfort of knowing that the guy next to them isn't screwing up their life with his FREEDOM to smoke wherever he wants. If it weren't for those laws the owners of the bar could care less as long is the smoker was buying more drinks. The problem being that none would care and none would be free of smoking (there are other smoking laws as well to go with the bar one).
    So yeah, basically if you have the freedom to screw with my life than it only seems fitting that I have the freedom to screw with yours.

    Sadly, I have a great level of control of my feelings and while I don't mind expressing them verbally it would be very unlikely that I would actually beat up a drunk or steal his money.

    *sigh* if only the drunks were here; we would have quite the conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBennet
    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrior
    You make some good points (and BW I'm a daily bus user and love 'em), and my point was only that drinking in itself is not wrong - it is the violent and/or otherwise aggressive behaviour you describe that is wrong. And we already have laws for those.

    The law regarding drinking, therefore, can only be described as a prophylactic measure - the drinking itself is not wrong, but the behaviour in some cases as a result of it is. Now in certain situations (like seatbelt laws) we can demonstrate that even if there are only a percentage of circumstances that the law will change, these are high enough, and important enough, to justify this prophylaxis.

    Has Boris made such a case, or is he simply riding the bandwagon of people's anecdotal evidence (a key Tory tactic)?

    Every time our freedoms are reduced we should need good reasons for it. Unfortunately, "Enough people have told me they don't like it" seems to be reason enough these days...

    It's a pity.
    Agreed. However if you regularly take London’s buses you’ll also feel that the problems here are like nowhere else. London’s buses are regularly crowded and passengers have to put up with other passengers. In such a situation it’s important to make sure that they don’t fall victims to the stupid behaviour of a minority of idiots. If you regularly have to put up with fellow passengers listening to annoying music, eating smelly food, chattering on their mobiles, etc, the last you want is to share your bus journey with an inebriated hooligan.
    I'm not familiar with the Essex and Herts local buses - London's pretty much all I do. Being a bloke, I guess, some things bother me less.

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    Besides, even if you’re just drinking to relax and not to get drunk, I’m sure you’ll enjoy your drink better in the comfort of your own home than in the crowded and stuffy atmosphere of a public bus.
    Again, that's as may be. I might indeed enjoy a drink in general more at home - but what I object to is being told that I should, and don't have the option.

    Besides, this is going to take most of the fun away from the 02:00 Night Buses from Trafalgar Square, with the drunks and the crap hot-dogs as part of the ambience...


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    Isn't that the devil's line right there. You can't understand until you try it.
    Please note that I qualified my words there - and I would never recommend trying smoking to understand it, because of its highly addictive nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaBoB
    This idea of drunks on buses is another matter. I think it isn't a problem to outlaw it however. Unless there is a law that says I can beat the $%^@ out of a drunk and throw him off the moving bus than he can walk home and stay away from the buses. The problem is that companies don't care as long as their getting paid. For example we have no smoking laws here for our bars. This is because the people who go to bars would like the comfort of knowing that the guy next to them isn't screwing up their life with his FREEDOM to smoke wherever he wants. If it weren't for those laws the owners of the bar could care less as long is the smoker was buying more drinks. The problem being that none would care and none would be free of smoking (there are other smoking laws as well to go with the bar one).
    So yeah, basically if you have the freedom to screw with my life than it only seems fitting that I have the freedom to screw with yours.
    This seems to be a bit extreme, as well as confusing smoking with drinking - there are similarities, but there are also important differences: there is no such thing as passive drinking; alcohol is not close to as addictive as nicotine and cannot hook you on the first drink; and so on...

    As I've also said - in response to Jane and others - I am not, as I see it, screwing with your life by drinking - even if I'm drinking next to you. I might be screwing with your life if I lose control, or am violent or abusive - at which point you have recourse to the standard options of dealing with violent/out of control people. As I point out, we already have laws regarding that. Smoking next to you, on the other hand, definitely affects your life directly and immediately without further action on my part.

    And I say this as a drinker and smoker who appreciates the difference between the two. :P
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    I know you qualified your statement and my rant was a bit extreme. But that's pretty much all it was; a rant. It was not really directed straight at you but more everyone with that argument. Simply because I'm tired of it.

    Also, I do agree that alcohol isn't nearly the same as smoking. A lot of people have plenty of control over it and I'm ok with that. It's likely I will learn to have an appreciation for the finer side of alcohol.
    My problem is with those who can't control it. If was just a once in a while occurrence that someone got violently drunk than I would see it as a tolerable thing. But, when people show up late for work everyday and so hung-over that it effects their ability to work well than I see a problem. These people can't control it. It is about habits and peer pressure. I know I don't smoke so maybe I shouldn't be saying this but I would suggest that many habits are equally as difficult to control for some people as the addiction to nicotine is for smokers; and the same goes for peer pressure or the need for acceptance. If you want to be recognized as one of the "cool" one's you have to get drunk (this isn't the case for all social circles of course but it is the case for many). I've seen many jobs lost because of this lifestyle.
    However, I don't believe it is up to the law to decide these things. I believe it is up to the people to stop being idiots; the problem being that that isn't happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    I know you qualified your statement and my rant was a bit extreme. But that's pretty much all it was; a rant. It was not really directed straight at you but more everyone with that argument. Simply because I'm tired of it.

    Also, I do agree that alcohol isn't nearly the same as smoking. A lot of people have plenty of control over it and I'm ok with that. It's likely I will learn to have an appreciation for the finer side of alcohol.
    My problem is with those who can't control it. If was just a once in a while occurrence that someone got violently drunk than I would see it as a tolerable thing. But, when people show up late for work everyday and so hung-over that it effects their ability to work well than I see a problem. These people can't control it. It is about habits and peer pressure. I know I don't smoke so maybe I shouldn't be saying this but I would suggest that many habits are equally as difficult to control for some people as the addiction to nicotine is for smokers; and the same goes for peer pressure or the need for acceptance. If you want to be recognized as one of the "cool" one's you have to get drunk (this isn't the case for all social circles of course but it is the case for many). I've seen many jobs lost because of this lifestyle.
    However, I don't believe it is up to the law to decide these things. I believe it is up to the people to stop being idiots; the problem being that that isn't happening.
    Agreed, and particularly with the bit I've emphasised.

    I noticed in your OP that you spoke of friends recounting incidents of puking blood. This is just plain silly, no matter what your age and how much you might enjoy getting drunk.

    My original "devil's suggestion" was, I hope, a far more placid recommendation (and not the sort I'd make regarding smoking nicotine or 'doing drugs'), and one that is feasible without fear of a life of ruination. Even so, it has to be a choice you make with a clear head. (Just as, some day, I hope to try a psilocybin thingy in good company, just to see what this bloomin' hallucinogenic stuiff's about - apparently Aldous Huxley, knowing he was dying, wanted to go out on an LSD trip, but was denied...)

    Don't feel pressured to do something you don't want to, and if you do wish to know what it's like (any sort of min-altering chemical) for a one-time-use-only, alcohol is the safest of the legal options.

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    What is this sissy talk all about?!
    How dare you all descrase the sacredness of the Alcohol?!
    This is blasphemy!!

    `Cmon... Alcohol is the thing that brings the joy to life...
    When the alcohol be consumed all the world lightens up; people dun need
    to be worry about work, sociality or anything else; If a man beside
    you loathes on the thing which is the most special to ya in the world
    ya punch him in tha` face.

    Cut the crap already!

    Dabob, you starting to sound to me more and more like an 80 year old
    bishop. Why you descrase so much the thing that you dunno antyhing about?!
    I suggest not relying on your analysing skillz too much as from what I have
    read they are tottaly l4mz0r!


    Alcohol is teh liquor of life which determines which man is more man than
    the other man beside him! Its a test of testasrtrone!!! (no offesnse to tha chickas )

    Drinking alchol is a training session; each time ya drink more beer or whiskey
    or whateva ya become stronger at drinking alcohol!
    And each time you puke ya loose phase as puking is a sign of weakness
    at tha ultimate b33r party!

    Be ya gr8tly to urself and leave life to teh fullest, or in 50 yars ya be sitting
    at home thinking to urself; 'why the f4ck do I need this stuuupid healthy livaaar?! i'd better of drank rivvvars of be3r and had some funz, but now
    it be too l8 as probably something else gonna take me down!'


    I suggest going nowz to the local barr and drinking atlest 8 beerz... then
    go home thinking to yaself 'yum yum yum, beer is indeed tastyyz! whut'z
    it?! it be liquid bread! meaning a drink and a eat in a bottle!! w000t!'
    then ya go and punch a cop! and when he comes to contious ya
    just avert ur eyez...


    p.s.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    The 'rite of passage' shifts from just drinking beer to drinking it 'ad fundum', to empty a 0.33 liter glass in half a minute or so..
    are ya kidding me?! whits this 0.33 spoon-cups that ure talking of??
    i can drink it in 10 sec tops!


    --- WHERE DID ALL THE MEN GO?!

    p.z... I'm no drunkz now.. well not yet... tomorrow or maybe the dayz aftar me goes to eh b33r party!!!! i just get a little bit excited when i get
    to write about my passion fur beeeeeer!! xD xD xP

    CHeeerz!
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    Theres a link to an interesting few films done by irish media students, to highlight the problem in ireland.

    http://www.dare2bdrinkaware.com/final.html

    i drink myself
    Stumble on through life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    What is this sissy talk all about?!
    How dare you all descrase the sacredness of the Alcohol?!
    This is blasphemy!!

    `Cmon... Alcohol is the thing that brings the joy to life...
    When the alcohol be consumed all the world lightens up; people dun need
    to be worry about work, sociality or anything else; If a man beside
    you loathes on the thing which is the most special to ya in the world
    ya punch him in tha` face.

    Cut the crap already!

    Dabob, you starting to sound to me more and more like an 80 year old
    bishop. Why you descrase so much the thing that you dunno antyhing about?!
    I suggest not relying on your analysing skillz too much as from what I have
    read they are tottaly l4mz0r!


    Alcohol is teh liquor of life which determines which man is more man than
    the other man beside him! Its a test of testasrtrone!!! (no offesnse to tha chickas )

    Drinking alchol is a training session; each time ya drink more beer or whiskey
    or whateva ya become stronger at drinking alcohol!
    And each time you puke ya loose phase as puking is a sign of weakness
    at tha ultimate b33r party!

    Be ya gr8tly to urself and leave life to teh fullest, or in 50 yars ya be sitting
    at home thinking to urself; 'why the f4ck do I need this stuuupid healthy livaaar?! i'd better of drank rivvvars of be3r and had some funz, but now
    it be too l8 as probably something else gonna take me down!'


    I suggest going nowz to the local barr and drinking atlest 8 beerz... then
    go home thinking to yaself 'yum yum yum, beer is indeed tastyyz! whut'z
    it?! it be liquid bread! meaning a drink and a eat in a bottle!! w000t!'
    then ya go and punch a cop! and when he comes to contious ya
    just avert ur eyez...


    p.s.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    The 'rite of passage' shifts from just drinking beer to drinking it 'ad fundum', to empty a 0.33 liter glass in half a minute or so..
    are ya kidding me?! whits this 0.33 spoon-cups that ure talking of??
    i can drink it in 10 sec tops!


    --- WHERE DID ALL THE MEN GO?!

    p.z... I'm no drunkz now.. well not yet... tomorrow or maybe the dayz aftar me goes to eh b33r party!!!! i just get a little bit excited when i get
    to write about my passion fur beeeeeer!! xD xD xP

    CHeeerz!
    tony
    *sigh* Dare I reply to this.

    Well first of all the majority of studies show that alcohol inhibits testosterone secretion. I would also suggest that it's the "pussy" that cries for acceptance through consuming alcohol. So much for manliness I guess.

    Also, my interests in avoiding alcohol are more related to consciousness. Some of us have a higher respect for it than you do. However, I will agree that the healthy side effects are a major plus.

    I never touch alcohol or caffeine and anyone who knows me will tell you that I am probably the most mellow person they know. Saying alcohol is good for cooling you off is like saying cigarettes calm you down. No, using these things is like abusing your pleasure sense. Painkillers only get rid of the pain and not the cause. It would be more "manly" of you to meet your emotional unrest face to face, instead of burring it in alcohol.

    haha, I do know about alcohol by the way. I suppose I shouldn't tell a serial killer not to kill unless I've tried it myself, right? I know what alcohol does to people and I know why they do it.

    I actually heard someone say this exact line recently:
    A: "(after puking) I'm not drinking a drop of alcohol ever again"
    B: "but how else can we have fun together?"
    A: "Oh yeah, you're right!"

    Wow!! That's a true friend eh?
    Did I mention that this person just dropped out of college.
    I'm sure they made the right choice.

    So yeah, alcohol is the liquor of life and yeah it doesn't really do anything but hurt you and waste lots of time.

    So, you can take your manliness and your poor English to a bar; I'm sure the other drunks will side with you. I'm betting an 80 y/o bishop could take on a whole bar full of drunk manliness with his bare hands.
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    haha! you stupid son of a ****...

    Reasoning with such sissies as yourself is of no avil...
    Wasting time ya say? If you call having fun to be wasting time then what
    do you do in life at all?? why you continue living if u're such an anti-fun
    person?!

    The whole meaning of life thingy eventually sums up to having fun...
    Tell me, what do you like to do for fun in ur life, eh?

    As I said before; reasoning with such sissies as urself is useless.


    I actually heard someone say this exact line recently:
    A: "(after puking) I'm not drinking a drop of alcohol ever again"
    B: "but how else can we have fun together?"
    A: "Oh yeah, you're right!"
    This is called holding onto relationship if ya didnt get it.
    This is how people socialize from the dawn of beer.

    What do you expect from people who gather up in the evening to do??
    Play domino? toss a ball in the darkness? read a frickin` book?!
    Give me a brake!

    What the hell are you doing with your friends anyways with that kind
    of attitude?!

    Jeez!

    P.S. Look at the time of my previous messege you lowlife; 2:40 am by
    my watch. Who has energy to write in proper English at time like this?!
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    Well if you must know, I spend my days training physical and mental fitness. In particular I enjoy the psychological aspect of life when relating to combat and the ego. For example, your defensiveness is a result of my attack on your ego. The funny thing is that in attacking the ego, most people are further immersed in it. This is why it is so powerful. It's particularly interesting in application with martial arts.

    By the way, we live in different time zones so it appears you posted at about 6:00pm according to my computer.

    I live like the Samurai, as though I am already dead. A dead man has little use for fun.
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    Arr... I practice kungfu meself.
    And in 1 year im off to teh army so I must grasp every essense of fun
    as long as I'm free from the goverment :P

    Although shooting terrorists is the best kind of fun for me so no worries
    as long as I won't get shot

    But all-in-all, after a gunfight ya must have a few beers to cool your soul! xD

    btw, im also physically training as I wanna get into "sayeret matkal" which
    is one of the 4 elite units in IDF so I need to pass a few days of testing b4
    me can be accepted. and as for mental training, its too boring for me, at least
    for nowz... :-D
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    By the way; Alcohol is really a miracle water; when consumed it suddenly
    gives to the user some 1337 powers at socializing; ya can speak to whom
    ya were uncomftable speaking to before, and you are much more light-headed
    with your mateys so you become more fun and open minded then before.

    So as said before: it be a real good ice braker at times of discomfort
    with new people that you come with to the party/bar/wherenot and with
    just random people who seem kwel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    It's seems to be the British culture! It's not good.

    I think it has to do with a societies attitude towards drinking.

    I wonder what the best psychology is to deal with it.
    The real reason people drink to excess is lack of confidence

    evidence here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    By the way; Alcohol is really a miracle water; when consumed it suddenly
    gives to the user some 1337 powers at socializing; ya can speak to whom
    ya were uncomftable speaking to before, and you are much more light-headed
    with your mateys so you become more fun and open minded then before.

    So as said before: it be a real good ice braker at times of discomfort
    with new people that you come with to the party/bar/wherenot and with
    just random people who seem kwel

    If we give kids confidence when they grow up, they won't need artificial substitutes. It's as simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    It's seems to be the British culture! It's not good.

    I think it has to do with a societies attitude towards drinking.

    I wonder what the best psychology is to deal with it.
    The real reason people drink to excess is lack of confidence

    If we give kids confidence when they grow up, they won't need artificial substitutes. It's as simple as that.
    What a load of crap!
    What the hell does it have to do with anything?!

    We (the kids :? ) drink to exess to test ourselves to how much we can drink
    in one nightstand, drinking like a pro is a learned skill afterall...

    Man... you people take the will of youth these days too lightly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    What a load of crap!
    What the hell does it have to do with anything?!

    blah blah (I'm a kid having a tantrum) blah blah
    As you seem oblivious to this simple fact let me enlighten you.

    Those who are not now as young as you, WERE as young as you once.


    Thus they are quite able to form opinions based on what
    WAS and what IS, especially when for them there is no observable shift in behaviour among teens.

    Drinking till you vomit in your mates lap is not something your generation invented.

    Thinking that drinking a lot is cool is also not a new phenomena.

    Growing up and realising what a prick you were is something you have yet to experience. But you will.

    Meanwhile, your alcohol consumption seems to have affected your memory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    By the way; Alcohol is really a miracle water; when consumed it suddenly
    gives to the user some 1337 powers at socializing; ya can speak to whom
    ya were uncomftable speaking to before, and you are much more light-headed
    with your mateys so you become more fun and open minded then before.

    So as said before: it be a real good ice braker at times of discomfort
    with new people that you come with to the party/bar/wherenot and with
    just random people who seem kwel
    Here you state quite clearly in many words that alcohol gives you confidence and thus it is good for that reason. Which is exactly what I said. People with confidence don't need a crutch to have a good time.

    Contradicting yourself so soon in the same thread doesn't do your 'kewl' image any good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    "Look at me, I'm stupid!"...


    I dunno what and why were you drinking in your younger days,
    but hear this: a very small ammount of kid drink to just "be cool"
    and only the weak ones vomit.

    We - the normal dudes drink for the love of it(the alcohol) and the
    taste of beer and whiskey!

    Perhaps you were raised in a nighbourhood of stupid wannabes(you included)
    who cant stand up for themselves and beer be their only salvation,
    but thats not the case for the normal side of the world!


    p.s. are you calling me a prick?!



    Here you state quite clearly in many words that alcohol gives you confidence and thus it is good for that reason. Which is exactly what I said. People with confidence don't need a crutch to have a good time.

    Contradicting yourself so soon in the same thread doesn't do your 'kewl' image any good.
    I just point the facts there you stupid woman.
    It always been well known that Alcohol is a social releasing substense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    "Look at me, I'm stupid!"...


    I dunno what and why were you drinking in your younger days,
    but hear this: a very small ammount of kid drink to just "be cool"
    and only the weak ones vomit.

    We - the normal dudes drink for the love of it(the alcohol) and the
    taste of beer and whiskey!

    Perhaps you were raised in a nighbourhood of stupid wannabes(you included)
    who cant stand up for themselves and beer be their only salvation,
    but thats not the case for the normal side of the world!


    p.s. are you calling me a prick?!



    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    By the way; Alcohol is really a miracle water; when consumed it suddenly
    gives to the user some 1337 powers at socializing; ya can speak to whom
    ya were uncomftable speaking to before, and you are much more light-headed
    with your mateys so you become more fun and open minded then before.

    So as said before: it be a real good ice braker at times of discomfort
    with new people that you come with to the party/bar/wherenot and with
    just random people who seem kwel
    Yes....and

    Despite your bravado now (had a drinkie have you?) your earlier post demonstrates your blatant insecurity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    I just point the facts there you stupid woman.

    As was I , you stupid child.

    Meanwhile, let me re-word that post as it reads to someone with more experience of life than you:

    'I can't talk to people or get off with women without alcohol'

    LLLLLLLLLLLL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    As was I , you stupid child.

    Meanwhile, let me re-word that post as it reads to someone with more experience of life than you:

    'I can't talk to people or get off with women without alcohol'

    LLLLLLLLLLLL

    WTF?! you crazy *****!

    I never said that I'm insecure and that I'm not good with women, I just said
    that it lightens up people... dammit!

    So you think that if you lived more years then me so you have more
    experiance in life then? HA!

    If its a stupid move from you for me buying your stupid book then ure wrong!
    (ain't it be the whole point of you staying in this form, eh? )

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    By the way; Alcohol is really a miracle water; when consumed it suddenly
    gives to the user some 1337 powers at socializing; ya can speak to whom
    ya were uncomftable speaking to before, and you are much more light-headed
    with your mateys so you become more fun and open minded then before.

    So as said before: it be a real good ice braker at times of discomfort
    with new people that you come with to the party/bar/wherenot and with
    just random people who seem kwel
    Yes....and

    Despite your bravado now (had a drinkie have you?) your earlier post demonstrates your blatant insecurity.
    Where the f4ck do you see anything that relates to my "insecuritiness'?!
    Belive you me; I know all there is to know about d4t1ng and we
    have a enough people like you in the "market".

    Bah! self righteous pig! .. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    As was I , you stupid child.

    Meanwhile, let me re-word that post as it reads to someone with more experience of life than you:

    'I can't talk to people or get off with women without alcohol'

    LLLLLLLLLLLL

    WTF?! you crazy *****!

    I never said that I'm insecure and that I'm not good with women, I just said
    that it lightens up people... dammit!

    So you think that if you lived more years then me so you have more
    experiance in life then? HA!

    If its a stupid move from you for me buying your stupid book then ure wrong!
    (ain't it be the whole point of you staying in this form, eh? )

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    By the way; Alcohol is really a miracle water; when consumed it suddenly
    gives to the user some 1337 powers at socializing; ya can speak to whom
    ya were uncomftable speaking to before, and you are much more light-headed
    with your mateys so you become more fun and open minded then before.

    So as said before: it be a real good ice braker at times of discomfort
    with new people that you come with to the party/bar/wherenot and with
    just random people who seem kwel
    Yes....and

    Despite your bravado now (had a drinkie have you?) your earlier post demonstrates your blatant insecurity.
    Where the f4ck do you see anything that relates to my "insecuritiness'?!
    Belive you me; I know all there is to know about d4t1ng and we
    have a enough people like you in the "market".

    Bah! self righteous pig! .. ...


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    Ha ha ha!

    People tend to come up with such lame excusses when they're pinned down...

    Man... If only I had 10k everytime I heard this kind of bullshit come
    out of this kind of shytty person...
    I'd defenetly of had enough to buy meself a ferarry

    btw, get real, woman;
    teh sig technique is one of the lamest in the book of all IMers.
    skip to ppc if ya think that you know so much about human behaviour...
    perhaps ya'll get some good roi out of it... :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpicojr
    Why are you so angry?
    Because we insulted his intelligence. No one can accept that... almost no one.

    Theoryofrelativity, I admire your stamina. I suppose it's these types of conversations/arguments that the younger ones learn from later in life. I know I did (I'm stubborn now, I was beyond stubborn before). What am I saying, you're likely way ahead of me on the time line (I base that on your persona, as that's all I have to go on).

    I remember the days when a thread like this would be locked and sent to the trash. Where'd all the admins go anyways?

    Right... Hanuka, what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger right? So just keep up what you're doing and I'm sure something good will come out of it, so long as you don't kill yourself (I would recommend not signing the organ donor thingy though).

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Ha ha ha!

    People tend to come up with such lame excusses when they're pinned down...
    mhmm....

    *instant replay*

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    haha! you stupid son of a ****...

    Reasoning with such sissies as yourself is of no avil...
    Wasting time ya say? If you call having fun to be wasting time then what
    do you do in life at all?? why you continue living if u're such an anti-fun
    person?!

    What a load of crap!
    What the hell does it have to do with anything?!

    WTF?! you crazy *****!

    If its a stupid move from you for me buying your stupid book then ure wrong!
    (ain't it be the whole point of you staying in this form, eh? Rolling Eyes

    Bah! self righteous pig!

    btw, get real, woman
    teh sig technique is one of the lamest in the book of all IMers.
    skip to ppc if ya think that you know so much about human behaviour...
    perhaps ya'll get some good roi out of it... Very Happy
    Moving on...


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Where the f4ck do you see anything that relates to my "insecuritiness'?!
    Let me point them out to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    Alcohol is teh liquor of life which determines which man is more man than
    the other man beside him! Its a test of testasrtrone!!!

    i can drink it in 10 sec tops!

    Look at the time of my previous messege you lowlife; 2:40 am by
    my watch. Who has energy to write in proper English at time like this?!

    as for mental training, its too boring for me, at least
    for nowz...

    We (the kids Confused ) drink to exess to test ourselves to how much we can drink
    in one nightstand, drinking like a pro is a learned skill afterall...

    We - the normal dudes drink for the love of it(the alcohol) and the
    taste of beer and whiskey!

    are you calling me a prick?!

    I never said that I'm insecure and that I'm not good with women

    I know all there is to know about d4t1ng and we
    have a enough people like you in the "market".
    O.K. then, I think that about sums it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    Quote Originally Posted by serpicojr
    Why are you so angry?
    Because we insulted his intelligence. No one can accept that... almost no one.

    Theoryofrelativity, I admire your stamina. I suppose it's these types of conversations/arguments that the younger ones learn from later in life. I know I did (I'm stubborn now, I was beyond stubborn before). What am I saying, you're likely way ahead of me on the time line (I base that on your persona, as that's all I have to go on).

    I remember the days when a thread like this would be locked and sent to the trash. Where'd all the admins go anyways?

    Right... Hanuka, what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger right? So just keep up what you're doing and I'm sure something good will come out of it, so long as you don't kill yourself (I would recommend not signing the organ donor thingy though).

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Ha ha ha!

    People tend to come up with such lame excusses when they're pinned down...
    mhmm....

    *instant replay*

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    haha! you stupid son of a ****...

    Reasoning with such sissies as yourself is of no avil...
    Wasting time ya say? If you call having fun to be wasting time then what
    do you do in life at all?? why you continue living if u're such an anti-fun
    person?!

    What a load of crap!
    What the hell does it have to do with anything?!

    WTF?! you crazy *****!

    If its a stupid move from you for me buying your stupid book then ure wrong!
    (ain't it be the whole point of you staying in this form, eh? Rolling Eyes

    Bah! self righteous pig!

    btw, get real, woman
    teh sig technique is one of the lamest in the book of all IMers.
    skip to ppc if ya think that you know so much about human behaviour...
    perhaps ya'll get some good roi out of it... Very Happy
    Moving on...


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Where the f4ck do you see anything that relates to my "insecuritiness'?!
    Let me point them out to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    Alcohol is teh liquor of life which determines which man is more man than
    the other man beside him! Its a test of testasrtrone!!!

    i can drink it in 10 sec tops!

    Look at the time of my previous messege you lowlife; 2:40 am by
    my watch. Who has energy to write in proper English at time like this?!

    as for mental training, its too boring for me, at least
    for nowz...

    We (the kids Confused ) drink to exess to test ourselves to how much we can drink
    in one nightstand, drinking like a pro is a learned skill afterall...

    We - the normal dudes drink for the love of it(the alcohol) and the
    taste of beer and whiskey!

    are you calling me a prick?!

    I never said that I'm insecure and that I'm not good with women

    I know all there is to know about d4t1ng and we
    have a enough people like you in the "market".
    O.K. then, I think that about sums it up.
    I'm impressed

    Hanuka is too immature presently to realise how pathetic his retaliations read and how unworthy they are of further reply from me,but he will. As you say.... we've all been there.
    'Time is the space between birth and death' by me.
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    Arrrgh!... too cool for my blood... must go on... *urgh*...

    Too hip to write a response like that, ain't ya?

    p.s. what insecuritiness ya see there? insecuritiness in what?!
    man... blind people like to just make things up... :x
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    Quote Originally Posted by serpicojr
    Why are you so angry?
    Because we insulted his intelligence. No one can accept that... almost no one.

    Theoryofrelativity, I admire your stamina. I suppose it's these types of conversations/arguments that the younger ones learn from later in life. I know I did (I'm stubborn now, I was beyond stubborn before). What am I saying, you're likely way ahead of me on the time line (I base that on your persona, as that's all I have to go on).

    I remember the days when a thread like this would be locked and sent to the trash. Where'd all the admins go anyways?

    Right... Hanuka, what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger right? So just keep up what you're doing and I'm sure something good will come out of it, so long as you don't kill yourself (I would recommend not signing the organ donor thingy though).

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Ha ha ha!

    People tend to come up with such lame excusses when they're pinned down...
    mhmm....

    *instant replay*

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    haha! you stupid son of a ****...

    Reasoning with such sissies as yourself is of no avil...
    Wasting time ya say? If you call having fun to be wasting time then what
    do you do in life at all?? why you continue living if u're such an anti-fun
    person?!

    What a load of crap!
    What the hell does it have to do with anything?!

    WTF?! you crazy *****!

    If its a stupid move from you for me buying your stupid book then ure wrong!
    (ain't it be the whole point of you staying in this form, eh? Rolling Eyes

    Bah! self righteous pig!

    btw, get real, woman
    teh sig technique is one of the lamest in the book of all IMers.
    skip to ppc if ya think that you know so much about human behaviour...
    perhaps ya'll get some good roi out of it... Very Happy
    Moving on...


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Where the f4ck do you see anything that relates to my "insecuritiness'?!
    Let me point them out to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka

    Alcohol is teh liquor of life which determines which man is more man than
    the other man beside him! Its a test of testasrtrone!!!

    i can drink it in 10 sec tops!

    Look at the time of my previous messege you lowlife; 2:40 am by
    my watch. Who has energy to write in proper English at time like this?!

    as for mental training, its too boring for me, at least
    for nowz...

    We (the kids Confused ) drink to exess to test ourselves to how much we can drink
    in one nightstand, drinking like a pro is a learned skill afterall...

    We - the normal dudes drink for the love of it(the alcohol) and the
    taste of beer and whiskey!

    are you calling me a prick?!

    I never said that I'm insecure and that I'm not good with women

    I know all there is to know about d4t1ng and we
    have a enough people like you in the "market".
    O.K. then, I think that about sums it up.
    I think that all this convo has been about on how sissy you and more than
    half of the people here really are.

    It's impossible to discuss with ya people about the banefits of alcohol
    if ya all keep such a closed mind as u all right now have.

    You sound more and more like a worriying hosewife now than
    the 80 year old bishop now...

    btw, pooooooooint me where I sound insecure to you in my posts
    you stupid brat!
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