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  1. #1 What is the Holy Grail for Science? 
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    Sort of in line with the greatest mystery of all time thread but perhaps more attuned to something believed to be attainable.

    What is the ultimate prize? What potential discovery outweighs all the others. Perhaps it is not fair to single out an overall choice and we can concentrate on the various scientific fields of study. So then I would appreciate the members' selection as it appeals to each distinct field of study.

    So, what is the Holy Grail for each branch of science and if there is one that means more than any of all the sciences combined then what is it?


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    Well, maybe for astronomers it would be intelligent life or even just life on another planet. For physics maybe controlled nuclear fusion. for mathematicians, a single formula to explain the nature of the universe and for religion, maybe divine communication on a global scale.
    I am not an expert or even a novice in any of these fields though. But, you did ask peoples opinion, so i figured what the hell, i'd throw in my 2 bob's worth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    2 bob's worth
    That made my day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuntinuum
    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    2 bob's worth
    That made my day.
    hehehe, i honestly dont really know where i got that expression from, i think it was my Grandfather, rest his soul. I think it's a referance to money yea?
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    to discover why humans are so stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
    to discover why humans are so stupid.
    The internet, it really does bring out the best in people, doesn't it?
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    If it does I haven't seen it yet.
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    O'k, so all jibes aside, what do you think is teh Holy Grail of science?
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    The next grant.
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    Atheist Scientist: ---> Disprove God.
    Theist Scientist: ----> Prove God
    Agnostic Scientist --> Knowledge can be learned from a pint in the pub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Sort of in line with the greatest mystery of all time thread but perhaps more attuned to something believed to be attainable.

    What is the ultimate prize? What potential discovery outweighs all the others. Perhaps it is not fair to single out an overall choice and we can concentrate on the various scientific fields of study. So then I would appreciate the members' selection as it appeals to each distinct field of study.

    So, what is the Holy Grail for each branch of science and if there is one that means more than any of all the sciences combined then what is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Sort of in line with the greatest mystery of all time thread but perhaps more attuned to something believed to be attainable.

    What is the ultimate prize? What potential discovery outweighs all the others. Perhaps it is not fair to single out an overall choice and we can concentrate on the various scientific fields of study. So then I would appreciate the members' selection as it appeals to each distinct field of study.

    So, what is the Holy Grail for each branch of science and if there is one that means more than any of all the sciences combined then what is it?
    For cosmology, it would be the instantaneous travel to distant planets, stars and galaxies to observe first hand the entire universe unfolding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrowlingDog
    Well, maybe for astronomers it would be intelligent life or even just life on another planet. For physics maybe controlled nuclear fusion. for mathematicians, a single formula to explain the nature of the universe and for religion, maybe divine communication on a global scale.
    I am not an expert or even a novice in any of these fields though. But, you did ask peoples opinion, so i figured what the hell, i'd throw in my 2 bob's worth.
    Thats pretty much what I would have put, along with a cure for cancer and more efficient space transport..but that probably fits in with finding integigent life and sustaining fusion reactions anyway.
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    In particle physics - the existence or lack thereof of the Higgs boson, to be determined at the LHC this year... It basically proves or disproves the Standard Model, which is a huge thing.
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    Perhaps not THE holy grail, but an intriguing one nonetheless - confirming exactly how many spatial dimensions we live in, and why we conceive of three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riddle Me This
    Perhaps not THE holy grail, but an intriguing one nonetheless - confirming exactly how many spatial dimensions we live in, and why we conceive of three.
    sounds boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
    Quote Originally Posted by Riddle Me This
    Perhaps not THE holy grail, but an intriguing one nonetheless - confirming exactly how many spatial dimensions we live in, and why we conceive of three.
    sounds boring.
    Hmm, well it interests me a lot.
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    the holy grale of science would probobly a propetual motion machine; i would say going faster then the speed of light but we have already achived that
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    For molecular biology, a way to correctly predict the folding of a protein from its DNA sequence, taking into account chaperonins and everything.
    ...Wait, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpicojr
    Antigravity pants.
    They already got those man

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    lol thats kinda freaky
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    Quote Originally Posted by CircularlyPolarized
    For molecular biology, a way to correctly predict the folding of a protein from its DNA sequence, taking into account chaperonins and everything.
    I got something more important than that. For humans, the holy grail is for us to create something that will give us the ability to change DNA sequences in DNA strands or at least be able to create certain body parts in a lab. Basically, if somebody has health problems in certain areas, those parts could be surgically altered or replaced.. All diseases that affect any body part or certain cells/muscles/etc could be fixed. Cancer, parkinsons, heart/liver/kidney/any other organ problems/clots/etc, birth defects, muscular dystrophy, certain STDs, etc, etc etc etc.
    The DNA for a lot of those diseases could be altered or the organ itself can be completely replaced after creating an artificial one in lab. Hell, life for human kind in the whole can be extended. Research in ALL other fields would quicken up since the researchers would be able to work more years without any diseases forcing them out of their job. If somebody gets a disease, it can be fixed in some hospital.

    P.S. interesting topic.
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    After the grand unified theory of space and time relevant to piecing together all the various strings of science onto the one space-time axiom platform, the quest will move to what religion can best identify with that science. It may also move to the whereabouts of the author. It could turn out to be quite a conflict if not expained properly. When the grand theory and associated new axiom structure is found, it will be the greatest time of change civilisation would have ever encountered......hardly boring. Ideally the author would remain anonymous, given the obvious reaction by religious fundamentalists, and the Government taking dutiful management of the cutting edge new ideas of the theory would play out the saga of the "faithful" for as long as they can remain a civilisation, bigger and more interesting than any star wars jedi saga.

    The holy grail for science, gentlemen, would be your ability to stay alive during this transition...............life will seem the most precious thing of all especially given the vast range of opportunities of being alive the holy grail of science beholds.

    Being cautious of approaching this future event is a sign of certain failure, like galdiators who are afraid to enter the arena genuinely fail. Certainly it will be a time of great peace, but we would need to wake up, evolve, to that level of peace, via war. That war would be based on our fundamental ability to handle and affiliate with this new science, for our survival against those who seek to undermine each utility that made that theory, that science, that general and universal science, possible.

    THE QUESTION THEN WOULD BE POSED TO THE AUTHOR ABOUT FAITH, WHICH WOULD ONLY FORCE THE AUTHOR FURTHER INTO HIDING, only encouraging people to use religion as a path of independent thought, ultimately, on matters of life and death......and thus making the science quite the thing of eternal pursuit of religious understanding and awareness: it will never end.

    As one could then imagine, any Government would make it their high priority to search potential claims of such "theory of all things" address. I would think it would be the agenda of any Intelligence Agency to be thinking very seriously about this issue. Basically, Governments that shy away from this pursuit would do so through sheer negligence of strategy, and only that, because a higher power would clearly like to have religion as the freedom of the people in a situation like this. There's not much fun in choosing between two religions, is there: that's why "3" is a crowd. Finding the higher growd in that crowd is managing space. Managing space is understanding gravity. Understanding gravity is having the best interpretation of the "grand unified theory".

    The time ahead is no cause for boredom.
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    Is there actually any normal person who ever thinks about a unifying theory? My opinion is that they couldn't give a rats arse about what physicists come up with next.

    What the public cares about are things that possibly can affect them, or actually interfer with their religion.

    With physics anyone can easily say it is all a load of bullshit, or God intended it this way. No controversy.

    With other topics it isn't that easy: climate out of control, stem cells, HIV, cancer.

    These are topics that will have an effect on people or have an effect on people right now.

    I don't think that there will ever be a satisfactory unifying theory for the simple reason thatare minds are truly limited. Anything we could come up with is bound to be too limited.
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    I believe that the theory has been found.

    I believe this because the world is shaping itself already, as though being prompted, in the context of religious affiliation to scientific greatness.

    Looking for it, well, one may as well follow clues, as many contemporary prompts in the IT medium suggest.

    The world would not be shaping itself the way it is if not for some SCENT of greater repositioning that only a greater theory of space-time can offer. I don;t think the great movers and shakers who stand on the shoulders of giants are even mildly worried about being done over by a nature backlash. I think they believe in the idea of not being swAmped, as their right of being human, by nature. I think they have realised by now that their sworn duty to being human rests on their ability to be immune of the effects of a bad strom front.

    Some of us may be out of touch with what's really happening in the world, especially if we pride ourselves on being IT (including reading NEWS) savvy. It's not accusation, but if that grand theory was found, would it really be presented to a skeptical scientific community without first being given a thorough "OK, now's a good time".
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Sort of in line with the greatest mystery of all time thread but perhaps more attuned to something believed to be attainable.

    What is the ultimate prize? What potential discovery outweighs all the others. Perhaps it is not fair to single out an overall choice and we can concentrate on the various scientific fields of study. So then I would appreciate the members' selection as it appeals to each distinct field of study.

    So, what is the Holy Grail for each branch of science and if there is one that means more than any of all the sciences combined then what is it?

    (apologies for the double post, but I need to acknowledge the author of this post properly given my (seemingly?) unconventional response)

    The way you put it can be seen on two fronts: what does science care about the "holy grail"...............OR, what does science "think" the holy grail is.

    I hope my "thus far" responses have accommodated for both interpretations.

    Nice question.
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    Easy.

    Think of the 3 revolutions: bio, cogno, nano.
    Not so much for bio, but nanotechnology and robotics are going to change the face of humanity in the coming decades.
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    I know the one for physics is to a complete GUT.
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