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    Hey, can any of you non-Americans tell us Americans what the general atmosphere in your neck of the woods is with regard to Americans? Welcoming, hostile, indifferent, pity, etc.? Also, what it's like over in your area with regard to someone who only speaks English and a little French? Is English spoken by most in Europe say, or Africa or Asia? Is there a trend towards more people speaking English, or the opposite now?

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    Many Europeans think George Bush is an asshole, but Americans are OK, except for the ones that vote for Bush, but those don't leave the trailer park very often. A few people do speak English, at least in Germany, but mostly a British version, and it's more common in West vs. East Germany. Mostly, they don't. (I'm an American that has a few German friends).


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    Spidergoat,

    Are you in the U.S. Military in Berlin? I was stationed there in 1991, for about 5 weeks, and loved it. Man, all of Europe just feels so much different than the U.S. I also spent about a month in France in 1999. Loved both places. Wish I could move there. What's it take to get to live there? As in visas or such? How long can you stay? Etc.?
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    No. I'm not in the military, but a friend of mine was there in the late 70's. I just made friends with some German Au Pairs stationed in Hanover, New Hampshire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cottontop3000
    Spidergoat,

    Are you in the U.S. Military in Berlin? I was stationed there in 1991, for about 5 weeks, and loved it. Man, all of Europe just feels so much different than the U.S. I also spent about a month in France in 1999. Loved both places. Wish I could move there. What's it take to get to live there? As in visas or such? How long can you stay? Etc.?
    Well, I do not really know what it takes, since I was born in Germany, but I hope the pages of the French/German embassies will be helpful:

    http://www.ambafrance-us.org/visitingfrance/
    http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch...e/welcome.html
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    In my country (The Netherlands), we get education on English from age 10 or something, so most of the younger generation can speak English, except for the dumbasses.

    As for our stance/opinion to Americans, we (on the university, atleast) make alot of jokes about American average intelligence, and most people that I know don't like Bush, and those that do have no idea what they are talking about.
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    Here in Canada, Americans are pretty much accepted. I wouldn't say welcomed, but not hated either. Depends on where in the country, too.

    Bush and his administration are not liked here, and there is a lot of anti-Americanism here coupled with the invasion of American media. :?
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    cant stand you palefaces
    soon, with my atomic bow and arrow
    i will destroy you all

    go back
    go back to europe before it is too late
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    I'm sure this thread will start some flaming, I for one can't stand Bush. The religious groups just love him, mostly the Christians. I don't have a problem with any country at all, even the Iranians have a place. In the end we are all pretty much the same, with the exception of a few morons. We have to live with the morons, even if they are on capital hill. Ohh well.
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    I personally dislike Bush as well. I disagree strongly with his policies and hope that they do not catch on in other nations.

    Every nation has had its ups and downs. The Bush govn't really isn't that unique, really. "Repress the masses, now let's go worship God!" is hardly an uncommon theme.

    One thing I don't care for is how many anti-Bush Americans seem to view Canada as being some perfect haven.... Canada has rightist conservatives too (Conservative Party is currently the Opposition, but the Liberals' policy isn't really that different from them). We're far from being the socialist utopia that I've seen us portrayed as. :?
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    down here in Australia Bush is disliked, to say the least, but there isn't much Anti-American centiment.
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    8)

    Americans are like everybody else, you get good uns and bad uns. There have been some wonderful American minds on these boards (Sciforums mainly). Also some pretty naive Americans. You yourself seem to be a very nice American Cotton! 8)

    Regarding American foreign policy, I cannot speak for my country (South Africa is very pro American) as the economic ties are substantial. I myself and my peers are certainly not anti-American per se, but we are very anti-Bush and anti-American foreign policy. Presently there is no real threat to American supremacy, but the balance will assumedly be restored fairly soon as China continues flexing its muscles (economic and militarily). It is only since the end of the cold war and the demise of the USSR that American foreign policy has gone astray. We will have to see how the collarbone crumbles. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by stretch
    You yourself seem to be a very nice American Cotton!
    "Seem" is the key word there stretch.

    It is only since the end of the cold war and the demise of the USSR that American foreign policy has gone astray.
    Nothing like that old maxim from world history. Power corrupts. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    P.S. What was your opinion of why Laura Bush (Bush's wife) was recently in South Africa?
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    8) Oops news just in.

    "Top Chinese general warns US over attack"

    http://news.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f4...00e2511c8.html

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    8) Heh Cotton,

    Tell you what, I`ll go with my gut and drop the word "seem", you`re a nice American! Beyond that, your a nice guy. (nope, I`m not coming on to you).
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    Quote Cotton:
    "P.S. What was your opinion of why Laura Bush (Bush's wife) was recently in South Africa?"

    * I`d like to believe that she gives a shit about Africa, poverty, etc. and is speaking out from the heart. But my cynical `ole self reckons its just pro Bush propoganda. His 2 daughters were seen partying it up in the hip Cape Town clubs. Thats seems more honest to me. 8)
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    Can you believe that I actually had an uncle, related to my step-dad (papa) that was named Stretch? Real name.

    Didn't you read my posts about what I've done in my life over at sciforums? I like to think I am a nice guy, but I've kind of come to believe that that is just a cover for what lurks underneath. Deep down, though, there is a nice core, I think. Just get's muddled up with all the other shit that's down there sometimes.

    Didn't think you were coming on to me. You seem to be a mature male (or am I wrong about either?) that is not ashamed to show his "true" manly side, minus all the bravado and machismo, as well as a nice guy as well. Thanks for telling me you think I am nice, by the way. It's nice to hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stretch
    Quote Cotton:
    "P.S. What was your opinion of why Laura Bush (Bush's wife) was recently in South Africa?"

    * I`d like to believe that she gives a shit about Africa, poverty, etc. and is speaking out from the heart. But my cynical `ole self reckons its just pro Bush propoganda. His 2 daughters were seen partying it up in the hip Cape Town clubs. Thats seems more honest to me. 8)
    I'm a cynic too, and I agree. Of course, we hear nothing of the daughters anymore here. Didn't even know they were there, let alone partying it up. Probably a good thing (for Bush) that we didn't know, some would have a field day with it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustav
    cant stand you palefaces
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    Are you a Native American if so what are you doing with atomic weapons? Native Americans live WITH the land and don't want atomic anything, at least the ones I've spoken to.

    I see that this thread asks about others who live OUTSIDE of America so what does your post have to do with this thread?
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    Actually, Cosmictraveler, I don't mind. If he is a Native American, I would like to know what he thinks too about what "Americans" have done to the Native Americans.

    Gustav, what do you prefer to be called? Native American, or something else? I am only a 1/32 Cherokee, and I know almost nothing about what a full-blooded Native American thinks nowadays about what was done in the last several centuries by "Americans."
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    Quote cotton:
    "Can you believe that I actually had an uncle, related to my step-dad (papa) that was named Stretch? Real name."

    * Heh. That`s cool. My nick has quite a history. More than one metaphor involved. Heh.

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    "Didn't you read my posts about what I've done in my life over at sciforums? I like to think I am a nice guy, but I've kind of come to believe that that is just a cover for what lurks underneath. Deep down, though, there is a nice core, I think. Just get's muddled up with all the other shit that's down there sometimes."

    * I have, and do, read them intently. What we have done in our past, and what we are trying to achieve in the present are two distinct things friend. And as long as we acknowledge that we made mistakes, and are trying to be better than what we were, that’s what makes us special. We have to try a lot harder than most. You Cotton are an honest dude, you aren’t hiding anything, you’re coming clean because you want to move forward. That alone makes you a nice guy and a winner.

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    "seem to be a mature male (or am I wrong about either?) that is not ashamed to show his "true" manly side, minus all the bravado and machismo, as well as a nice guy as well. Thanks for telling me you think I am nice, by the way. It's nice to hear it."

    * Thanks, friend. Yep, you are about right. Me and you, we ain’t so different Cotton, I do not drink alcohol either. I don’t WANT to be a monster, it’s not in my heart. I share your disease, and like you, I just do the best I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stretch

    * Thanks, friend. Yep, you are about right. Me and you, we ain’t so different Cotton, I do not drink alcohol either. I don’t WANT to be a monster, it’s not in my heart. I share your disease, and like you, I just do the best I can.
    Good to hear. Good to hear. I know exactly what you mean. Hang in there.

    Is English spoken in South Africa much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stretch
    8) Oops news just in.

    "Top Chinese general warns US over attack"

    http://news.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f4...00e2511c8.html

    I just read this, appears to be a radical general with little insight. The US and China along with many others have enough muscle to destroy each other completely. The Chinese of course would loose more people per square mile then the US would, far far more actually. The entire US mainland could be destroyed and the subs parked all over the world could still destroy all of China.

    Let hope nobody is so crazy to even think of resorting to nukes for any reasons, it's a no win situation.
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    It will probably be the end of life as we know it, for now, sure. Remember that book, I think it was by Asimov, though I don't remember for sure, where man stumbles onto a planet of aliens that has been trapped or cut off from the rest of the galaxy for some reason, and they have throughout the ages risen to a point of saturation, fought unimaginable wars (like nuclear wars), and then the few who survived started all over again, repeating the cycle for millenia, until man stumbled onto them because of a technology we invented?
    Anyone know the book? I checked it out at the library a while back, but don't remember the name or the author, or even many of the pertinent details.

    Anyway, what if we do destroy ourselves? I think some will survive, the rich, the lucky, those that have sufficient underground shelters, etc., and then man will eventually, hopefully or not, repeat the cycle in the distant future? I wonder if society is at a point where some are thinking this is a viable option, or even something that they are working towards? "Get that shelter built, get all the Bush's, Rove's and Cheney's families and friends in the shelter, and then let's blow this world. Then we go to Mars or the Moon, and start over the way we want to. Someday, our descendants will rule the Earth again!"

    Just a thought!
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    Actually from what I've read, if you can avoid the direct blast and also the initial radiation blast from a bomb drop you have a good chance. You then of course have to avoid breathing in the dust that has been radiated as well as the food, water etc. The dust would not hold up for very long and chances are you could live with it, the food and water might be the biggest problem. More or less if your clear of the blast and first exposure to radiation you have a chance. I for one would be a crispy critter living in Phoenix. It's flat with little protection from the blast. It's also the 5th largest city in the US, so it would of course be a target. Ohh well, let's just hope nobody is so stupid. The Chinese would die by the billions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cottontop3000
    Didn't you read my posts about what I've done in my life over at sciforums? I like to think I am a nice guy, but I've kind of come to believe that that is just a cover for what lurks underneath. Deep down, though, there is a nice core, I think. Just get's muddled up with all the other shit that's down there sometimes.
    Cotton,
    Was your screen name cotton on sciforums? I don't remember ever seeing your screen name over there. And I spent a lot of time reading people's posts. Maybe I just have a bad memory though 8) .
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    Quote Originally Posted by analbeads
    Cotton,
    Was your screen name cotton on sciforums? I don't remember ever seeing your screen name over there. And I spent a lot of time reading people's posts. Maybe I just have a bad memory though 8) .
    No, I was Cottontop3000 there too. I remember seeing cotton though. Different person. I was only on there for about 3 weeks before this last crash. Haven't been on the internet since 1995, prior to that, honest.
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    8) Yo Cotton,

    It`s all good mate. English is the national language here in S.A, but I also speak Afrikaans, which is a Dutch based language spoken by a lot of South Africans of all races. (pop about 57 mil) There are about 9 further African languages like Xhosa and Zulu, which I can speak a bit of. I happen to be white, but after 10 years of democracy the racial tension has all but dissapeared, except when used for political agendas. Colour aint a big thing here anymore, as opposed to what you might hear in the media. I am lucky to spend a fair amount of time in Australia also, so I get to see the world. New York is my next destination of choice. I hope to make some inroads into the art world there.

    Keep on trucking mate.
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    Hi (In)Sanity,

    Quote (In):
    "I just read this, appears to be a radical general with little insight."

    * Yeah, but the mere fact that he is not restrained from talking in that manner says volumes. I have been observing the Dragon rise, and it is going to be an interesting period for the American status quo going forward. Observe the American and British agenda now following the London bombings. I would predict within 8 or 9 months, Iran or Syria will be the next target for the American Middle East agenda.

    Quote (In):
    "Let hope nobody is so crazy to even think of resorting to nukes for any reasons, it's a no win situation."

    * I remain positive that it is not immenent for the near future. Its about 50 years down the line where my vision fades.

    Quote (In):
    "I for one would be a crispy critter living in Phoenix. It's flat with little protection from the blast. It's also the 5th largest city in the US, so it would of course be a target. Ohh well, let's just hope nobody is so stupid. The Chinese would die by the billions."

    * But (In), Phoenix can rise again! No worries, you get a special on KFC, eat much as much as you like! Nah, I think sanity will prevail, like I said, there is enough global dynamics now to maintain a status quo, The European Union, the Russian Federation and Japan are still powerfull technology owning nations, so its more involved than meets the eye. But 50+ years down the line will be interesting.
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    i dont know what my countries view on america is at the moment,

    there hasent really been a "yay america" stance since they dragged us into vietnam.
    sept 11 gave them a bit of sympathy among those who had no real interest in politics until then, but it also lead more people like me to better understand americas actions and sympathise with AQ
    i think peoples hatred of americans has begun to ease up aver tha past few months, but for quite a number of us that wont see a chance until bushes term is over.
    the media seems to be a mix, with news reports like on i saw last night claiming civilians were killed by insurgents near a checkpoint where americans were handnig out candy. but also ones like the one a week ago about how TV affects childrens brain development, and saying that diplomas are not necessarily a measure of intelligence as "this man has one from harvard" showing a picture of bush with a stupid grin at his graduation.
    the government funded public news station is pretty indifferent to americans and iraqis, reporting the war pretty fairly. but the corporate news has certainly got a lot better about showing more than jsut americas side since it was bought out by a canadian company

    basically, ponsonby(capitalist central of auckland) will love you, most will be negative towards you, and as soon as you get below cook straight, into rural(largely socialist) NZ you will need bulletproof glass

    yea, thats new zealand for ya
    and so the balance of power shifts...
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    If I say, "Hey, don't shoot, I know vslayer!" will they change their minds about trying to shoot me?
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    youd probably be better off yelling "fuck brash" or "hail stalin"
    and so the balance of power shifts...
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    There seems to be quite a lot of anit bush by most of the world especially with his responses to issues like global warming and things, but we must not forget what he as given to the world, for the man is comedy gold some of the things he does you could't write.

    by the way if there is someone out there that can help me theres a question I need an answer for what was america called befoe america what i meen is what did the native americans call it before the white man did his thing and moved in bitch slaped the locales and take over.
    I think what the usa needs is a half native american half black, atheist,
    lesbian, female president how fun would that be for all the hillbilly rednecks
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    I could go for her as president. Would only make a difference though if both houses of congress and the supreme court were like-minded though. Except she might be able to declare war on Haiti or something.

    Good question about what America was called pre-white man. I don't know. We aren't necessarily taught those kinds of things here. Figures, huh?
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    with about 500 different languages, its hard to put it under just one name, even if there is one. i dont imagine they had a name for the entire continent, but their own areas wolud be called (tribename) land or something
    and so the balance of power shifts...
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    Just something i found not shore who wrote it but who ever it was THANK YOU.
    TO: The Citizens of the United States of America

    RE: Revocation of your Independence


    In the light of your failure to elect a proper President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy.

    Your new prime minister (The Right Honourable Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections.

    Congress and the Senate will be disbanded.

    A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:


    1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U'will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour', skipping the letter 'U' is nothing more than laziness on your part.
    Likewise,you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters.

    You will end your love affair with the letter 'Z'(pronounced 'zed' not 'zee') and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by the suffix "ise". You will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g. Edinburgh.

    You are welcome to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you can't cope with correct pronunciation. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed".

    There will be no more 'bleeps' in the Jerry Springer show. If you're not old enough to cope with bad language then you shouldn't have chat shows. When you learn to develop your vocabulary then you won't have to use bad language as often.



    2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of "-ize".



    3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to Cockney, upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier).

    You will also have to learn how to understand regional accents? Scottish dramas such as "Taggart" will no longer be broadcast with subtitles. While we're talking about regions, you must learn that there is no such place as Devonshire in England. The name of the county is "Devon". If you persist in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become "shires" e.g. Texasshire, Floridashire, Louisianashire.



    4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys. Hollywood will be required to cast English actors to play English characters.

    British sit-coms such as "Men Behaving Badly" or "Red Dwarf" will not be re-cast and watered down for a wishy-washy American audience who can't cope with the humour of occasional political incorrectness.



    5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through.



    6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football.

    Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full Kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005.

    You should stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the 'World Series' for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.15% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called "rounders" which is baseball without fancy team strip, oversized gloves, collector cards or hotdogs.



    7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde. The 97.85% of you who were not aware that there is a world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "$hit".

    You will no longer be allowed to own or carry guns. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous in public than a vegetable peeler. Because we don't believe you are sensible enough to handle potentially dangerous items, you will require a permit if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.



    8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 2nd will be a new national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day".



    9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are cr*p and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. All road intersections will be replaced with roundabouts. You will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.



    10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips. Fries aren't even French; they are Belgian though 97.85% of you (including the guy who discovered fries while in Europe) are not aware of a country called Belgium.

    Those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called "crisps". Real chips are thick cut and fried in animal fat. The traditional accompaniment to chips is beer which should be served warm and flat. Waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers.



    11. As a sign of penance 5 grams of sea salt per cup will be added to all tea made within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this quantity to be doubled for tea made within the city of Boston itself.



    12. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all, it is lager. From November 1st only proper British Bitter will be referred to as "beer", and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as "Lager".

    The substances formerly known as "American Beer" will henceforth be referred to as "Near-Frozen Knat's Urine", with the exception of the product of the American Budweiser company whose product will be referred to as "Weak Near-Frozen Knat's Urine". This will allow true Budweiser (as manufactured for the last 1000 years in Pilsen, Czech Republic) to be sold without risk of confusion.



    13. From December 1st the UK will harmonise petrol (or "Gasoline" as you will be permitted to keep calling it until April 1st 2005) prices with the former USA. The UK will harmonise its prices to those of the former USA and the Former USA will, in return, adopt UK petrol prices (roughly $6/US gallon - get used to it).



    14. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.



    15. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.



    16. Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).



    Thank you for your cooperation

    Rt Hon David Blunkett
    Home Secretary
    (this is were I found it http://www.kontraband.com/show/show....g=adult%20game)
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    That is very good jolko. Liked it immensely.
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