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  1. #1 DISRESPECT FOR ANCIENT MAN 
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    I find it appalling. What do you guys think?

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    I would tend to lean towards Ancient Cultures when looking for technological brilliance.
    Yeah, I remember those stories about them having cell phones, television, air-conditioning, and automobiles. That story about Plato flying over Atlantis in his personal jet was very interesting, as was the one about Noah's trip to the moon and back. It is a good thing Jesus' followers had Internet access or else we might never have heard of them.
    Arguably ancient people were more intelligent than us.
    Like the ones who forced upon their peers beliefs fairytales like Santa, God, Jupiter, Zeus, Ra, Thor and Toutatis?!

    Like the captains who feared to drop out of the limits of a flat earth and never fared far off the coasts?!

    Like the ones who taught the earth was carried by a giant named Atlas, or carried on a giant elephant standing on a giant tortoise?!

    Or those teaching a geocentric system?!

    Yeah right!!
    How do you think we learned all those things? All-of-a-sudden mankind just suddenly knew a whole bunch of stuff?
    How do you think we have televisions etc.?
    Wrong example, it's a very recent and modern invention, not ancient.
    Life only one hundred years ago was not much different than that of the cavemen; there were hundred fold more differences during last century than there was between the time of cavemen and the early 20th century!!


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    As long as we sit in our position in space-time and look out through our two eyes, there will always be misunderstandings. It is a very difficult thing to know someone that lived before your time like you know your siblings, or your friends, or the people that are in your life now. The same rule goes for people on the other side of the world. It is a sad thing really and an important thing to realize when communicating with other people, but I am not appalled. I believe accepting the characteristics of people that contribute to misunderstandings is part of bridging the gap of understanding.

    I may not always conform to this behavior though I might try. This post was actually inspired by listening to Ellens dritter Gesang, and when I write while listening to music, I sometimes tend to get too carried away with what the music is communicating to me. I apologize if this is the case. The song is very beautiful. It makes me thing of this moment as a fading memory in the same sense that I might imagine a moment in the life of someone that might have lived early in the last century, and I could probably apply this idea to any time or any place or any person. This moment is exactly like every other moment in every other place in every other life in that it is fading out of existance. Someday the memory of all the things I have done, and perhaps all the things my children have done, and everyone that will ever lived have done will be exactly the same as this fading moment.

    I consider this in contrast with a progress motivated culture, and it seems to be that this idea of striving to a goal, to accomplishments and destinations is contributing to our disillusion and inablities to perceive the people of yesterday and "somewhere else."

    That's enough rambling out of me for now.


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    I'm afraid I don't agree that ancient people were more intelligent than us. Human intelligence in general probably has not changed much over time. What has changed is the amount of knowledge available to us, as well as changing cultural ideas. Ancient peoples had to try and solve problems with less knowledge than is available to us today, so in that sense they had to be very ingenious. However, that doesn't mean people today are any less ingenious, especially considering that the problems we're trying to solve are that much more difficult and complex (say, going to the moon, or going to mars).

    Long story short, I don't find cause to say that either modern or ancient people are/were more or less intelligent.
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    who was it again who said something to the effect that "if i see further, it's because i stand on the shoulders of giants" ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    who was it again who said something to the effect that "if i see further, it's because i stand on the shoulders of giants" ?
    It was Sir Isaac Newton. However, it was probably a deliberate slight against Robert Hooke with whom Newton had had many disagreements and who was of diminutive stature and hunchbacked as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralith
    I'm afraid I don't agree that ancient people were more intelligent than us. Human intelligence in general probably has not changed much over time. What has changed is the amount of knowledge available to us, as well as changing cultural ideas. Ancient peoples had to try and solve problems with less knowledge than is available to us today, so in that sense they had to be very ingenious. However, that doesn't mean people today are any less ingenious, especially considering that the problems we're trying to solve are that much more difficult and complex (say, going to the moon, or going to mars).

    Long story short, I don't find cause to say that either modern or ancient people are/were more or less intelligent.
    Agreed.
    I was just enraged that someone would say silly things like that.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    who was it again who said something to the effect that "if i see further, it's because i stand on the shoulders of giants" ?
    It was Sir Isaac Newton. However, it was probably a deliberate slight against Robert Hooke with whom Newton had had many disagreements and who was of diminutive stature and hunchbacked as well.
    Who said scientists don't have good humour?
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
    Agreed.
    I was just enraged that someone would say silly things like that.
    Well, this Jelpy was still stating true facts. Ancient people did think the earth was flat and had far fewer technological innovations than we have had in recent times. In that sense, modern man possesses far more "technological brilliance." However, he was using these facts to propose (i assume) that ancient people were simply stupider, which is incorrect; they were simply more ignorant. But then again, maybe that is what he was saying, since all we have to go by are those few quotes you gave us. Likewise, he may have assumed you were proposing that ancient people were simply smarter than us; which is, again, incorrect. What we may have here is a failure to communicate.
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