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    A good test would be to get a patient to tell what is in a part of the room that they cant see from their bed, and repeat this procedure 6 or 7 times...... All under strictly controlled conditions(to eliminate that the patient learning what the item is from a means other than physically leaving their body).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    A good test would be to get a patient to tell what is in a part of the room that they cant see from their bed, and repeat this procedure 6 or 7 times...... All under strictly controlled conditions(to eliminate that the patient learning what the item is from a means other than physically leaving their body).
    Why don't they do these test on people that are having a heart attack as well, you just don't seam to get it.

    We have 6 Billion people on this earth, 10% of them, or 6 million will have this happen to them at some point in their life, they do not know when this is going to happen, they do not know if it will happen to them, and when it does happen to them, the last thing they are going to want to think about, is where your test is, to where they are. Your test sounds good on paper, but it don't work in reality.

    Example: Imagine you are in your car, and all of a sudden somebody pulls out in front of you, and you lock up your brakes and you start sliding on ice that is on the road. Your only concern is to keep the car from hitting something in front of you. Not to look around in the intersection at all the gas stations, for the lowest gas prices.

    Your test sounds good on paper, but it don't work in reality.

    What we need is patients that are trained on BrainGate, then leave one of those machines on 24/7 after they die of natural causes, and see if they have the ability to make the machine work again.

    Since my idea is so cheep, we have no reason not to try it.

    I expect the cost will be far less than what the Goverment is already spending on BrainGate now.

    We already have the machine, and the patients now. All we have to do is give them additional training that won't be much different than what they are already doing.

    This year the Goverment is expected to spend about 76 Billion dollars on different research opportunities; the least they could do is listen to my idea for free.

    My idea is focused on saving money, by using the labor we already using, just adding some extra training and taking an old BrainGate machine from the future and using it toward this idea. The BrainGate machine I will need for this idea in the future can be a time share deal, so you don't even have to buy a new machine.

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    Labor $0

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    Opportunities = Priceless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
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    A good test would be to get a patient to tell what is in a part of the room that they cant see from their bed, and repeat this procedure 6 or 7 times...... All under strictly controlled conditions(to eliminate that the patient learning what the item is from a means other than physically leaving their body).
    Why don't they do these test on people that are having a heart attack as well, you just don't seam to get it.

    We have 6 Billion people on this earth, 10% of them, or 6 million will have this happen to them at some point in their life, they do not know when this is going to happen, they do not know if it will happen to them, and when it does happen to them, the last thing they are going to want to think about, is where your test is, to where they are. Your test sounds good on paper, but it don't work in reality.

    Example: Imagine you are in your car, and all of a sudden somebody pulls out in front of you, and you lock up your brakes and you start sliding on ice that is on the road. Your only concern is to keep the car from hitting something in front of you. Not to look around in the intersection at all the gas stations, for the lowest gas prices.

    Your test sounds good on paper, but it don't work in reality.

    So what happened to the claim that they can induce these things then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
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    A good test would be to get a patient to tell what is in a part of the room that they cant see from their bed, and repeat this procedure 6 or 7 times...... All under strictly controlled conditions(to eliminate that the patient learning what the item is from a means other than physically leaving their body).
    Why don't they do these test on people that are having a heart attack as well, you just don't seam to get it.

    We have 6 Billion people on this earth, 10% of them, or 6 million will have this happen to them at some point in their life, they do not know when this is going to happen, they do not know if it will happen to them, and when it does happen to them, the last thing they are going to want to think about, is where your test is, to where they are. Your test sounds good on paper, but it don't work in reality.

    Example: Imagine you are in your car, and all of a sudden somebody pulls out in front of you, and you lock up your brakes and you start sliding on ice that is on the road. Your only concern is to keep the car from hitting something in front of you. Not to look around in the intersection at all the gas stations, for the lowest gas prices.

    Your test sounds good on paper, but it don't work in reality.

    So what happened to the claim that they can induce these things then?
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    ToR kept coming on here saying they could induce these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    ToR kept coming on here saying they could induce these things.
    Do you feel they can?
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    It's not that hard of question, please fill free to answer it anyway you like, there is no right or wrong answer.

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    Apologies for jumping in without reading most of the middle pages on this thread.

    I see three problems with this discussion.

    Firstly, out of body experience is a vague term used to describe almost whatever the experiencer wishes, at least in general parlance on the internet. This makes it virtually impossible to develop a proper frame of reference for discussion. Such a situation does not exist when discussing almost anything else, for example ... an internal combustion engine, or even the behavior of a photon.

    (Some guided relaxation methods even include directions such as now leave your body ... feel yourself float .... you are weightless ....now return to your body ....)

    Secondly, the experiment that has been suggested - that of identifying an object that is not in sight - is not an absolute demonstration of an "out of body" state in any event. It would demonstrate acquisition of information by unknown means, at best.

    Thirdly, Tim, your experiment would seem to test survival of death, not the ability for conscioousness to leave a living body. It would be remarkable, but I do not think it would say anything about out of body experience as it applies to living individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by free radical
    Apologies for jumping in without reading most of the middle pages on this thread.

    I see three problems with this discussion.

    Firstly, out of body experience is a vague term used to describe almost whatever the experiencer wishes,
    You are correct, but this one is different, and I would be glad to tell you why, it happened to me, and I love to analyze, and I don't play games.

    at least in general parlance on the internet. This makes it virtually impossible to develop a proper frame of reference for discussion.
    Then you have never talked to me.

    Such a situation does not exist when discussing almost anything else, for example ... an internal combustion engine, or even the behavior of a photon.
    Please fill free to talk about a photon, and how it relates to a combustion engine, in a way that everybody walking down the street can understand.


    (Some guided relaxation methods even include directions such as now leave your body ... feel yourself float .... you are weightless ....now return to your body ....)
    My idea is based from my experience, because of the type that I had, one that was made to be analyzed correctly.


    Secondly, the experiment that has been suggested - that of identifying an object that is not in sight - is not an absolute demonstration of an "out of body" state in any event. It would demonstrate acquisition of information by unknown means, at best.
    It would be a means, that would be constant all the time, just like going to the moon. If you feel we did not go there, then you probally won't believe this one either.

    Thirdly, Tim, your experiment would seem to test survival of death, not the ability for conscioousness to leave a living body. It would be remarkable, but I do not think it would say anything about out of body experience as it applies to living individuals.
    Please think of my out of body experience as a premature situation, of what is to come, and nothing else.

    It is no different than somebody thinking an out of body afterlife is an angel.

    Yes, my experiment is to test the survival of death. That is just one of many things I will be doing.

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    Let me try a different tactic.

    Electrical energy runs through your body constantly. A sense of 'electrical' thoughts is fine, but it doesn't mean that your thoughts were necessarily any more electrical than they had been previously. Thought requires neuron-neuron communication, and this type of cell-cell communication is electrical by its nature.

    If you are positing that a non-physical entity can create electrical current, then you are not talking about electricity in a conventional way. Electricity is a physical phenomenon.

    I am not doubting your experience or even saying that survival of consciousness doesn't occur. But if survival of consciousness occurs, it must happen in a way that is not physical, and that means no electricity. Now, it is formally possible that out of body experience occurs, and upon re-integrating, the experience is stored as a physical, electrical memory. In other words, it may seem electrical in nature, but perhaps that is an after-effect of a non-physical state (all very speculative of course) which by definition would be non-physical ie non-electrical.

    It's a bizarre topic for many reasons, and is not easily testable with the same sorts of rigour that is demanded in many scientific fields.
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    Hi free radical, pleased to meet you. That's a good moniker - somehow manages to combine science and politics.

    Now, it is formally possible that out of body experience occurs, and upon re-integrating, the experience is stored as a physical, electrical memory.
    How is it possible for a non-physical entity to exchange information with a physical one?
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    I cannot think of any mechanism through which this would be possible, which is not saying much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by free radical
    Let me try a different tactic.

    Electrical energy runs through your body constantly. A sense of 'electrical' thoughts is fine, but it doesn't mean that your thoughts were necessarily any more electrical than they had been previously. Thought requires neuron-neuron communication, and this type of cell-cell communication is electrical by its nature.

    Out of body afterlife is inside energy by nature, and we can only find this out by trying my idea, al else is just assuming.

    If you are positing that a non-physical entity can create electrical current, then you are not talking about electricity in a conventional way. Electricity is a physical phenomenon.
    electricity is to energy, as a drip is to water, movement.


    I am not doubting your experience or even saying that survival of consciousness doesn't occur. But if survival of consciousness occurs, it must happen in a way that is not physical, and that means no electricity.

    It will follow the laws of atoms, just like everything else. Energy can not be destroyed, it can only change form, and to under estimate your ability, at this level, goes against everything to do with science.

    We know that pie goes on for ever, and we know that we do not know what is inside energy. We can harness this, even think we know a little about that, but we are only assuming in this field, and only towad one way of thinking, and that is wrong. You answer as though you are backing away from such a possibility, when you should actually check out the possibilities.



    Now, it is formally possible that out of body experience occurs,
    If it can occur, it can be measured and built on.

    and upon re-integrating, the experience is stored as a physical, electrical memory. In other words, it may seem electrical in nature, but perhaps that is an after-effect of a non-physical state (all very speculative of course) which by definition would be non-physical ie non-electrical.
    Think of gravity, air, electric field, invisible force, and everything else that makes up this space that is all around us.

    If you were playing the Milion dollar challenge, and you had to answer every question about what is inside space, you could not do it. My goal is to prove once and for all, that we do have out of body afterlife, and that they have wants just like we do.

    It's a bizarre topic for many reasons, and is not easily testable with the same sorts of rigour that is demanded in many scientific fields.
    I believe if you look around, you will find that nobody has taken credit for this field of science but me.

    Science wants to prove that 10% of humans, are not having out of body experiences, and that is a mistake. We can have them, and we can survive for our size, weight, and thinking capability, with only the effort of one atom. Now will we be the size of one atom? No, we have the ability to use energy from aroung us, and that is pretty easy, when everything around us is energy.

    Energy is connected to energy, as we are to our taxes, it is not an option.

    There are things about this topic that we could asume until the cows come home, but what we really need is patients, and I know where we can get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Science wants to prove that 10% of humans, are not having out of body experiences, and that is a mistake.
    On what do you base this startling claim?
    (And while you are at it, can you identify the two aspects of the above quote that demonstrate that you do not understand science or the scientific methodology?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Science wants to prove that 10% of humans, are not having out of body experiences, and that is a mistake.
    On what do you base this startling claim?
    (And while you are at it, can you identify the two aspects of the above quote that demonstrate that you do not understand science or the scientific methodology?)

    If you can show that you can trick somebody into having an out of body experience, then that shows that they also have the ability to have one.

    Example you can trick a woman into thinking she is pregnant, but you are also acknowledging that they have the ability to have them as well.


    Please feel free to point me in the direction of who is i charge of this type of science, please fill free to give names. Unless you know somebody that I don't know, we have nobody who would make that claim.

    There can not be science, if science is one sided against the truth.

    I can understand if a trial is so big that it is hard to find people local to be on the journey, for a high profile crime, but to say you are being fair, when you can't find anybody willing to play the other side of the coin, since we still to this day, do not know if it is possible or not.

    My idea is not one that can be answered ahead of time, it is one that needs patients, and time to play out a plan, but science does not care to listen to my idea, because I know that science has already read my topic, and some of them want me to end it, as though there is a good reason to ever end a field of science that is busting at the seams to be solved once and for all.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts,
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    My goal on this topic, has nothing to do with me having to do it all, my goal is to put the best people in place to make this work, and I would do that any field of business, if I want to be successful, so I guess the first people I would need would be people who believe in what I am trying to do, and please give me a better answer, than the ones I have been hearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Science wants to prove that 10% of humans, are not having out of body experiences, and that is a mistake.
    On what do you base this startling claim?
    (And while you are at it, can you identify the two aspects of the above quote that demonstrate that you do not understand science or the scientific methodology?)

    If you can show that you can trick somebody into having an out of body experience, then that shows that they also have the ability to have one.

    Example you can trick a woman into thinking she is pregnant, but you are also acknowledging that they have the ability to have them as well.


    Please feel free to point me in the direction of who is i charge of this type of science, please fill free to give names. Unless you know somebody that I don't know, we have nobody who would make that claim.

    There can not be science, if science is one sided against the truth.

    I can understand if a trial is so big that it is hard to find people local to be on the journey, for a high profile crime, but to say you are being fair, when you can't find anybody willing to play the other side of the coin, since we still to this day, do not know if it is possible or not.

    My idea is not one that can be answered ahead of time, it is one that needs patients, and time to play out a plan, but science does not care to listen to my idea, because I know that science has already read my topic, and some of them want me to end it, as though there is a good reason to ever end a field of science that is busting at the seams to be solved once and for all.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts,
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    My goal on this topic, has nothing to do with me having to do it all, my goal is to put the best people in place to make this work, and I would do that any field of business, if I want to be successful, so I guess the first people I would need would be people who believe in what I am trying to do, and please give me a better answer, than the ones I have been hearing.
    Tim, no one is denying that people are having out of body experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Science wants to prove that 10% of humans, are not having out of body experiences, and that is a mistake.
    On what do you base this startling claim?
    (And while you are at it, can you identify the two aspects of the above quote that demonstrate that you do not understand science or the scientific methodology?)

    If you can show that you can trick somebody into having an out of body experience, then that shows that they also have the ability to have one.

    Example you can trick a woman into thinking she is pregnant, but you are also acknowledging that they have the ability to have them as well.


    Please feel free to point me in the direction of who is i charge of this type of science, please fill free to give names. Unless you know somebody that I don't know, we have nobody who would make that claim.

    There can not be science, if science is one sided against the truth.

    I can understand if a trial is so big that it is hard to find people local to be on the journey, for a high profile crime, but to say you are being fair, when you can't find anybody willing to play the other side of the coin, since we still to this day, do not know if it is possible or not.

    My idea is not one that can be answered ahead of time, it is one that needs patients, and time to play out a plan, but science does not care to listen to my idea, because I know that science has already read my topic, and some of them want me to end it, as though there is a good reason to ever end a field of science that is busting at the seams to be solved once and for all.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts,
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    My goal on this topic, has nothing to do with me having to do it all, my goal is to put the best people in place to make this work, and I would do that any field of business, if I want to be successful, so I guess the first people I would need would be people who believe in what I am trying to do, and please give me a better answer, than the ones I have been hearing.
    Tim, no one is denying that people are having out of body experiences.

    Please be more clear, because everybody I come across on the Internet believe I was dreaming this state, and I know that was not the case.

    Please explain clearly, so everybody understands, how science sees this whole out of body after life stuff?

    So if science can trick people into having an out of body experience, as they have done in the last couple of months, could we not placebo people into having an out of body experience that can be measurable, for communicational possibilities?

    Any wave can be measured, if you are willing to measure it.

    You can't fix anything, if you don't know it is broken.

    Is it broken? It is when people have been raised in our type of culture.
    The fact that we teach people to interact through out life, assuming that it will all work out in the end, when that could be further from the truth.
    Are we just educating people right into problems.

    We feel we are the smartest animal on earth, and we also feel we are obligated to educate people through out their life, so nobody is left behind, now we need to see if those same type of people would like the opportunity to have that education extended to their afterlife.

    It you think the change is easy, just try going with out things you count on everyday to help you make it through the day. No INTERNET service, no cell phone, and you can kiss the TV clicker good bye.
    Now make sure you stop all of this now, and keep doing it, and you will will get a feel of what an afterlife has to go through everyday.
    It happened to them in a blink of an eye.

    Out of body after life might be dead in the thoughts and minds of some, but not in mine.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts,

    Tim



    Life has a comfort zone that is second to no other, but with that comfort zone, comes responsibilities, and sure it is not pleasurable to explore these possibilities, because they go against an undereducated comfort zone, but it must be done, because we have found through out life, that the best way to be better, is to grow. point that they are pretty smart when they are thrown into a new life, that don't know what to do with such experience.

    Do out of body after life communicate with other out of body afterlife?

    The medium Lisa Williams, if she is true as to what she is able to do, might know those answers.



    When an out of body reaches this state, they are physically fine, they will feel no pain from a old sore knee, a cut, muscle pain, or any type of ailment that the physical body might have to give out, because it works off of a different set of principles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

    Please be more clear, because everybody I come across on the Internet believe I was dreaming this state, and I know that was not the case.
    Science isn't denying that people are experiencing out of bodyliness when under trauma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
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    Please be more clear, because everybody I come across on the Internet believe I was dreaming this state, and I know that was not the case.
    Science isn't denying that people are experiencing out of bodyliness when under trauma.
    The problem I am having, is this other site wants facts.

    http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=91976&page=3

    They would say, just because GhostofMaxwell, believe that science believes it is real, don't make it so, they want facts for that claim you are making. They are tough over there too.

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    Well I think it would be pretty hard to present facts about peoples personal experiences, but when so many people say they are experiencing these things, it is not unreasonable to say that the brain has many complex reactions to trauma. Therefore people are actually experiencing that they are floating out of their body.
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    Tim,
    you seem to having a single problem of miscommunication. Does this help?

    1. Science does not deny the reality of what are called out-of-body experiences.
    2. You believe there are out of body experiences.
    3. You believe these experiences are evidence of the independence of the mind/spirit/soul from the physical body.
    4. However, and here is the clincher, science does not interpret the data as you do. They think the out of body experience is nothing more than the brain acting in a particular way. It is interesting, but is not connected with a real removal of mind/body/spirit from the physical body, merely the misperception that this has occured.

    You seem to be makign claims for point 2. That is where people are asking for hard evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Tim,
    you seem to having a single problem of miscommunication. Does this help?

    1. Science does not deny the reality of what are called out-of-body experiences.
    2. You believe there are out of body experiences.
    3. You believe these experiences are evidence of the independence of the mind/spirit/soul from the physical body.
    4. However, and here is the clincher, science does not interpret the data as you do. They think the out of body experience is nothing more than the brain acting in a particular way. It is interesting, but is not connected with a real removal of mind/body/spirit from the physical body, merely the mis-perception that this has occurred.

    You seem to be making claims for point 2. That is where people are asking for hard evidence.

    Science can not get the answers they need with out following my idea.

    Science ignores what it already knows, and that is energy can not be destroyed.

    Believe it or not, there is a core to every human, and that core is based on what it has to work with at the time, too it's volume and weight.

    Thomas Edison believed it was possible, and he would not make a claim like that, if he did not believe that there was afterlife to begin with.

    I have no problem with science, but science has nobody even close to Edison, who is willing to lead such a specified field.

    I don't know if you ever had an out of body experience like mine, but it was not a dream, and we will leave it at that for now, and sure I don't know if people truly survive, after they die, but the math at his time is in their favor, since energy can not be destroyed, that we are able to do it, just like all the millions that have had it happen before, and numbers don't lie, when you break it down, and it will continue as long as we have humans. Science does not know why we have magnets inside us as well, and sure they make claims like we must of needed it for some reason in the past, but they are just assuming.


    Regardless if human thought passes through space after death, or lives in an atom, the only way we can be sure is to have patients that are willing to give it a chance.

    Now let's say that I am given an option, "Tim, we all die, and we know some day you will as well, sure it was nice to know you, what else can I say, or Tim Since you are going to die anyway, and 80% f Americans believe that their is some type of afterlife, why don't you see if you can make contact to this old machine that we have, and if you can do it, what is it going to hurt anyway.

    In a world where we are suppose to follow our dreams, you would think this would be a good idea.

    We already have the machine, we already have the patients, and the idea is just floating out there waiting to be tried, what is it going to hurt.

    How much research did science have to do to discover you can't do an double bi-pass, with out a patient to begin with, ex specially one that is clued into what you are trying to do.

    If science can't figure out that the possibility is well founded, if for no other reason that they have witnesses, who have seen it, touched it, and felt it, and knowing that energy can not be destroyed, and the fact that atoms can't be explained, for the way they act as time, even though they are showing life behaviors, and knowing all the things that are inside air to begin with, then they have no clue to any type of customer service to begin with.

    We have over 6 billion people on this Earth, every one of them will die at some time, is there a reason my idea can not be tried, not because our body is playing tricks on us, but that we might have been wrong all this time, and we are playing a trick on our body.

    Our mind has prob ally forgot more, than we will ever know, the least we can do, is give it the benefit of doubt, since we truly don't know, and you got people like me, who will always ask the question anyway, and the price to try it is so low at this time, it is nothing more than asking the patients, to do this and that, and place the best Brain Gate machine we can in place with the best vacuum cleaner attachments we can make, as sensor that they can try, if they find them self in a position to make it happen.

    What ever science believe, or what they believed in the past, has nothing to do with my topic. This is a plan that can be made possible, by somebody who sees the simplicity of what I feel we need to do.

    MY idea is nothing more than a procedure at this time, for a company that made the idea already possible in 2005.

    Until the day we allow out of body afterlife the opportunity to communicate with us correctly, we are just kidding our selfs.

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    I seem to recall a website (webmaster Bruce Moen) some years ago where a 'telephone' was being constructed to allow communication between the living and the non-living. You might ask on the forum there, if they ever got their device off the ground. In fact, the problems stated for the sluggish development of the device was that there weren't enough funds/interest. Oddly enough, once the funds started coming in, the project wasn't mentioned again to my knowledge. I could be wrong.

    Alternatively, Susan Blackmore had several strange OBE experiences, and studied the phenomenon for years. She finally gave up, but you might glean something from her research.

    I recall an ongoing study wherein information in a cardiac ward can only be accessed by a true out-of-body state. To my knowledge, after 10 plus years, no patients have been resuscitated and verified a true out of body state. I cannot find a link for this.

    You can also search on "the God Module" and separately on Charles Tart.

    http://www.near-death.com/tart.html <-- That should be validating.

    here's research from Manchester:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0824080329.htm

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    Whether there is an afterlife or not is an important question, but an equally important question is whether there is meaning in this immediate moment, and what is the best way to be in this moment, and the afterlife does not matter one whit to that. This may in part explain the lukewarm response to your suggestions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by free radical
    I seem to recall a website (webmaster Bruce Moen) some years ago where a 'telephone' was being constructed to allow communication between the living and the non-living. You might ask on the forum there, if they ever got their device off the ground. In fact, the problems stated for the sluggish development of the device was that there weren't enough funds/interest. Oddly enough, once the funds started coming in, the project wasn't mentioned again to my knowledge. I could be wrong.

    Alternatively, Susan Blackmore had several strange OBE experiences, and studied the phenomenon for years. She finally gave up, but you might glean something from her research.

    I recall an ongoing study wherein information in a cardiac ward can only be accessed by a true out-of-body state. To my knowledge, after 10 plus years, no patients have been resuscitated and verified a true out of body state. I cannot find a link for this.

    You can also search on "the God Module" and separately on Charles Tart.

    http://www.near-death.com/tart.html <-- That should be validating.

    here's research from Manchester:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0824080329.htm

    ~~~

    Whether there is an afterlife or not is an important question, but an equally important question is whether there is meaning in this immediate moment, and what is the best way to be in this moment, and the afterlife does not matter one whit to that. This may in part explain the lukewarm response to your suggestions.
    Thank you for help and information, I honestly believe that this moment in history is the best time for this idea for many different reasons,

    - When somebody is willing to strap a bomb on to their body and blow them self up for their religion is a good reason to find the truth.

    -When people feel that they are smarter than everybody else, and think they can get away with breaking laws is another good reason.

    -When different countries continue to fight wars and kill people is another good reason.

    -When children are allowed to have babies, before they are grown them self's, because the parents are strapped for money, can not afford a good out of body afterlife family tree member, who would be more than glad to watch them for free, is all among us is another good reason, or having out of body afterlife, watching our border is another good one, or all the information that they could provide us, in so many different areas of our life.Why send a soldger in harms way in a war, when you can send an out of body afterlife in there first, they can't be killed twice, and even if they could, it is a waste of time to shoot at something you can not see.

    I was like you for the longest time, never giving it the time a day, even though I had an out of body experience, but when I heard that they could communicate with thought, that was when I knew that it was something that we needed to explore, as long as we are here.

    I was never a big fan of people who are in an out of body state for the very first time, trying different experiments, but if people want to try that, they should set it up in more places, given Murphy Law, a chance to be a factor. I know when I had mine, I never even knew of such a thing, good enough trying to go do an experiment. So if they at least let you know about it a head of time would be a start.

    Imagine the worst scenario, an out of body afterlife is no bigger than an atom, with the ability to see in light.

    Even if that is the case, and it very well could be, then for them to generate enough thought wave to make a sensor to take notice, then they are going to have to be trained to make that happen, and the last think they need from us, is for people to self doubt it, because of the placebo effect.

    A plant ignored, dies, and elderly person ignored does the same, and as long as we second guess this possibility, the same could happen as well.

    There are so many factors that plays into this possibility, that you have to consider them all.

    Example:

    As painful as it was for my energy to go back into my head as I was having my out of body state, I knew I would enjoy the payoff, if I could get back to a normal state, so I endured it, but from reading about other people leaving their body from a clod turkey state, makes me think that your inner thoughts, are not afraid to place you in a delusional state, if it thinks you can not handle it, I would think that this part of your inner thoughts, use the same area to make this happen, where you normally would see your life flash in front of you, and given all the possibilities in your right brain, you could lay dorm-id in this energy for quite some time.

    Now with that being said, there will be others who will wake up in this state, or make it cold turkey out of their head naturally, and prob ally stay close to relatives as a security blanket if nothing else, as we have seen with medium Lisa Williams.

    Please take the time, to imagine my idea from a past patient of Brain Gate.

    In 2005, Mr. Nagle was the first person to communicate through BrainGate with us, never was done by a human before that time, never.

    He has now died of other reasons, than using the machine.

    He was very handicapped at the time when he made the machine work, and he said, that this machine brought new life to him, that he did not have before. He said just living in his thoughts alone, was so bad, that he was thinking of killing him self. Well now if I am right, he is now back in that position again, and sure since he was in that type of situation before, he is prob ally handling it better than some, that have to experience it for the first time, and sure you can say, if that is the case, it is not like they can die again, but I say, their spirit is dying, and that is just not right.

    Getting back to Mr. Nagle; you would think after he died, that they would of had a plan for such a possibility then, but science works in steps, and to give the first person the chance to let it right on an idea like mine, is just too many pages in the future for them to even think about, and that is where we are at.

    I believe we could evolve this way, and cross over the out of body afterlife string theory of things, alway giving them a chance, as we give aliens from another planet a chance to communicate, and see how it plays out, because even if out of body afterlife go into a different dimension as some say they might, even though I only saw ours, that they could always come back and give it there best try and nothing more.

    As much as we have created on this Earth, this idea is an easy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

    In 2005, Mr. Nagle was the first person to communicate through BrainGate with us, never was done by a human before that time, never.
    Why do you suddenly need this new and improved brainomatic 4000, when we all know that anyones aunt Hilda can fake a conversation with the dead just as well? As long as you dont ask too many difficult questions though. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
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    In 2005, Mr. Nagle was the first person to communicate through BrainGate with us, never was done by a human before that time, never.
    Why do you suddenly need this new and improved brainomatic 4000, when we all know that anyones aunt Hilda can fake a conversation with the dead just as well? As long as you dont ask too many difficult questions though. :wink:
    Because the brainomatic as you call it, can actually measure it to a password, where aunt Hilda would have to make that up.
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    But your mates claim aunt Hilda is actually talking to the dead, some of them even are aunt Hildas like Lisa Williams, yeah?

    Now at your convenience you are dropping the claim of aunt Hildas in favour of saying your Brainmusher 4000 is the first medium to communicate with the dead. Your inconsistency is pitiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    But your mates claim aunt Hilda is actually talking to the dead, some of them even are aunt Hilda's like Lisa Williams, yeah?

    Now at your convenience you are dropping the claim of aunt Hilda's in favor of saying your Brainmusher 4000 is the first medium to communicate with the dead. Your inconsistency is pitiful.
    This topic is bigger than Lisa Williams or I in the big picture.

    If Lisa Williams could give you the future pass words of these future patient would be nice, and even if people believe that she was able to do it, she still could not handle the volume of business that a machine like BrainGate could handle.

    I hope that Lisa Williams will help when we are ready to set up the first out of body afterlife connection with a machine like BrainGate, but that will be her call at that time, and I also welcome you and anybody else who would like to be a part of that historical event as well.

    Please fill free to check out all of Lisa Williams past shows, you can find them on the Internet, or reruns on the Lifetime network, and please fill free to explain to me, how she is so good at knowing out of body afterlife names, as she does?

    Please fill free to give me proof that she is a fake at knowing these names.

    Regardless if you could even do that, I still would welcome her or you to the opportunity to get involved with this topic, every hand is a helping hand.

    My goal is that we always focus and work toward this possibility, and not get off track from that, just because somebody else don't really understand it, or has a secret agenda, that we don't have time to play with, just as we are seeing in politics everyday.

    The idea is solid, because it is based on trained patients, using a machine that they already know, and I am sorry that you must wait for that to happen, but the best things in life are truly worth waiting for.

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    Half a page worth of inane garbage instead of countering the point made. You've done your likes proud Tim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell


    Half a page worth of inane garbage instead of countering the point made. You've done your likes proud Tim.
    Please fill free to explainwhat your point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
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    Half a page worth of inane garbage instead of countering the point made. You've done your likes proud Tim.
    Please fill free to explainwhat your point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
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    Half a page worth of inane garbage instead of countering the point made. You've done your likes proud Tim.
    Please fill free to explainwhat your point is?

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    I already did, crackpot.

    Dear GhostofMaxwell,

    Thank you for wasting my time, and please fill free to leave another one of your negitive replies, and then go find a different site than this one, because I have better things to do than waste my time ever replying to you again.

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    Look Retard......You may get positive replies if you actually add something positive between your drool of the same old inconsistent unscientific mumbojumbo. You stop wasting our time and go from this site and find a site where everyone goes yes yes to your every fantasy! You wont get that here now TOR has gone.
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    Ghost,
    you clearly have no regard for tim or his speculations. That's fine. I suggest you just ignore him from this point forward.

    Tim,
    your entire speculation is based on the notion that there is life after death and that communication between the dead and the living is possible. You may be correct. However, nothing you have presented to date has in any way supported this belief. Moreover, rather than focusing on how such evidence may be corrected, you spend a great deal of time discussing bizarre applications, such as spying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    you clearly have no regard for tim or his speculations. That's fine. I suggest you just ignore him from this point forward.
    I dont mind anyone speculating. Its just the systematic assertions of these so called "medium" types that becomes tiresome.
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    Thank you for reading my thoughts,

    Quick review:

    What about this topic could make you happy?

    If I am right about this topic, could you ever see this topic ever making you happy?

    What about this topic do you like or don't, when I say this, it has nothing to do with me at all, it has all to do with you seeing the true value of this back up plan possibility.

    You are not looking at this topic correctly unless you are on the same side of my line. This is not an option idea anymore, this is a challenge that we must always attack with so much passion that it can happen, and happen correctly.

    Example: we see what we need to do, now we need to do it. I did not stutter, we need to talk interact with some patients and see what we can do to get it done.

    Quick review:

    Some believe that I need to measure it, and I feel everything on Earth can be measured, so regardless what I think, it is still possible.

    Think of me as nothing more than a piece of he puzzle, I have sown my piece by saying that my inner thought piece feels we are capable of doing it, and we need to work out all the details as we take the topic into the moment of truth, where you start to measure it first. now grant you that measuring can be boring, and we can hire anybody to keep data on anything, and since the main thing we are trying to do is make this unique connection, then we need to focus on it, just like we focus on anything else. Tell your congers man, don't settle for nothing else.


    If you are bored, and want to talk about a true purpose, then hang out here.

    Ask your self this, would you like to live a life like Tom Hanks did on that island where he didn't say a word for the longest time, that is the potential Gilligan Island we might be talking about.

    At this time in our life we are smarter than any king on any chess board on the Earth, we all have the ability to walk away from that game, or toward it at any time in our life, and we prob ally on average never thing about it in that way.

    I guess the reason I keep getting off topic, is because I honestly believe that most people don't truly understand how this possibility will make there life better, if they decide to use the service, and that is all it is, because as long as some atoms have the ability to go any where they like or touch what ever they want, we will now have a new tool to work with it, because we will except the fact that this will make are life better, and not worst in the long run, and That we can reset the grand opening of the possibility to the private sector, until ever person on Earth is gone at some point in the future, if that is what you want. The key here is what makes you happy, do you not want to talk to some old people, and you don't want them talking about you. That is fine, we can delay this possibility to what ever time you want, but at the same time, start explaining to the newer generations that we will be analyzing this possibility, so they better decide how they would like to see it play out.
    Never under estimate the paradigm of life, and if you are not learning something new every day, then you are wasting time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    What about this topic could make you happy?
    It has absolutely nothing to do with happy or unhappy. It has to do with relevant and irrelevant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    I guess the reason I keep getting off topic, is because I honestly believe that most people don't truly understand how this possibility will make there life better, if they decide to use the service, and that is all it is, because as long as some atoms have the ability to go any where they like or touch what ever they want, we will now have a new tool to work with it, because we will except the fact that this will make are life better, and not worst in the long run, ....etc
    And you have offered on only wild speculation without a trace of evidence to support your beliefs. I might as well believe that the aliens are coming in a comet to rescue me an my family from the Earth's woes. If it were true it would be important. Since it is almost certainly not true it pointless to indulge in speculation about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    What about this topic could make you happy?
    It has absolutely nothing to do with happy or unhappy. It has to do with relevant and irrelevant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer

    Please feel free to explain, what difference it makes if it is relevant and irrelevant?

    I guess the reason I keep getting off topic, is because I honestly believe that most people don't truly understand how this possibility will make there life better, if they decide to use the service, and that is all it is, because as long as some atoms have the ability to go any where they like or touch what ever they want, we will now have a new tool to work with it, because we will except the fact that this will make are life better, and not worst in the long run, ....etc

    And you have offered on only wild speculation without a trace of evidence to support your beliefs.

    I have evidence that could hold up in a Court, with a jury.

    My Evidence is not on trial, I am not on trial. I have an idea that could make communication on Earth as balance as any type of communication
    can be, and done at a very low price. Creating a situation, that can be evidence that science could measure, and maybe that is the only way I can show you. I need to take some part of Government to Court, and prove in Court that it makes sense to try my idea, and then do it, make it happen, and then science will know what they already knew, but was to afraid to really try, because they don't like to do embarrassing idea's, because they might get made fun of.

    It reminds me of a time a long ago, when I needed a new water pipe, that was under my yard, and I did not have a lot of money, so the only way I could afford to do it, was to dig this yard up by shovel to hand.
    I was wondering what my neighbors were thinking as I place my shovel in the ground. I could visualize what the yard and the whole would look like, and I knew if I just kept at it, that I would get it done, because visually and manually. I am driven by solutions that come to me so naturally, and I have never had to go to Court, to prove that in the past, and this topic is no different.

    Do you know, that a man never gets lost, it is always just over the hill.LOL

    I live in a catch 22 type of life, I do not like to waste time, but I hate to be bored, it puts me to sleep.

    I might as well believe that the aliens are coming in a comet to rescue me an my family from the Earth's woes.

    Your idea would be a waste of time, since you would have to spend more on your idea than me, and my idea will help answer your problem or idea as well.


    If it were true it would be important. Since it is almost certainly not true it pointless to indulge in speculation about it.
    The time it takes me to find all the different evidence that is out there, and the time it takes you to argue every bit of it, because each piece of evidence on it's own, don't tell the whole story, and by the time you read and understand all the different evidence, if you truly don't have the ability to see how all the evidence comes together in the big picture, then we have wasted even more time. that is why, if we did take it to court, I want a jury that can visualize.

    We could have my idea done, or at least all set up waiting to be done, while trying to do it your way.

    We have already talked about the fact that I need patients to make my idea work, so why do you want evidence on something that I already told you could not be proved totally, until the idea is played out to one type of situation, a place where it can be measured.

    We can talk about and talk about going out of our galaxy, and science can tell you it is out there, but we have never been there. We see something, because we have taken the time to focus on it, and we have known for a long time the importance of what we do not know, and how it can make one man rich, or one man poor, in this topic, I do not care how I turn out, regardless if I am right or wrong. I have no ego when it comes to this topic, but I do have a passion to see it played out, knowing that we can do it, sense we already have the patients, and the main machine to get it started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Please feel free to explain, what difference it makes if it is relevant and irrelevant?
    If it is irrelevant why even mention it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    I have evidence that could hold up in a Court, with a jury.
    Somewhere along the way I missed exactly what this evidence was. could you summarise it again please, or provide the post number in which you laid it out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    , and then science will know what they already knew, but was to afraid to really try, because they don't like to do embarrassing idea's, because they might get made fun of.]
    You have a bizarre and inaccurate understanding of what science is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    We could have my idea done, or at least all set up waiting to be done, while trying to do it your way.
    My way - the throw away suggestion of believing aliens were coming in a comet to rescue me and my family - is just as pointless as yours. There is no reason to believe your idea holds any truth. You are working purely on personal faith. That may work well for digging holes for water pipes; it is wholly inadequate for bringing the non-existent into being.
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    To whom it may concern,

    Last night Lisa Williams started her second season on the Lifetime channel. I do not know if you have had an opportunity to see her show show before, but she is a medium that has the ability to communicate with dead.

    I believe that she is communicating with out of body afterlife, and I base that off of my own experience of having an out of body experience.

    She explains her topic better this year with more confidence, and if you really want to understand my topic better, please take the time to find out more about hers.

    Below is an e-mail I got, and my goal is to get her to help me with my topic, so you are better informed in the future.

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    Join us every Friday at 10pm EDT for a live weekly chat with Lifetime Television's Lisa Williams, a medium and clairvoyant who will be speaking with the dead and taking your live questions!

    Lisa Williams is the star of the Lifetime Television show "Lisa Williams: Life Among the Dead" which airs on Lifetime Television every Friday at 9pm.

    Room: Lifetime Presents Lisa Williams
    Date: Every Friday starting October 12th
    Time: 10:00pm EDT/7:00pm PST

    Lisa Williams is a gifted Medium and Clairvoyant. She has the ability to communicate with loved ones and give clear accurate messages from those whom have passed on to the "other side."



    About the Lisa Williams Show:

    Your favorite medium is back! In season two, Lisa Williams continues to surprise people with her ability to speak with the dead. In some cases she'll transform the lives of the people she meets who are seeking to connect with their dearly departed. Throughout the series, Williams shares stories of people wanting to be reunited with someone from their past, while offering personal observations and insights.

    See you tonight!


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    I'm truly in the wrong game. Getting $200 an hour to extort mentally backwards nutjobs, is surely better than the prospect of having integrity and painstakingly scrutinizing mathematics for less than people get on benefits.
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    I'm truly in the wrong game. Getting $200 an hour to extort mentally back wards nut jobs, is surely better than the prospect of having integrity and painstakingly scrutinizing mathematics for less than people get on benefits.
    I told you that my evidence will not hod up by itself at this time because how new my picture of this possibility is to you.

    How many years must she be on TV, and change so many people life, before you will except her as being real. How many different people must hug her before you understand it. Please fill free to find any science person you know, and have them visit her. Just make sure this science person has some out of body afterlife hanging around them.

    I give you direction with my topic, that can be checked out, please fill free to try any thing you would like with Lisa Williams, because I can tell it comes natural to her, just like my ability comes natural to me.

    Now let's take a moment to talk about, what you have not talked about, like the fact that my idea is about a machine that has only been around sense 2007. Brain Gate, or the patients that use it.

    Now if I was crazy, or lacked evidence, why didn't I just pick a toaster, or something stupid, no I picked a machine that has the ability to communicate with energy in a way that can be measured through math, because the patient thoughts, make friction, and friction can be measured.

    Have to go to work, thank you for reading my thought,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    How many years must she be on TV, and change so many people life, before you will except her as being real. How many different people must hug her before you understand it. Please fill free to find any science person you know, and have them visit her. Just make sure this science person has some out of body afterlife hanging around them.
    How many times does she and her like need to be exposed as frauds under every scientific scrutiny? before idiots get wise?


    I give you direction with my topic, that can be checked out, please fill free to try any thing you would like with Lisa Williams, because I can tell it comes natural to her, just like my ability comes natural to me.
    Do you know what? I just haven't got it in me to profit from falsely building up the hopes of the vulnerable.

    I so so wish I had.
    Maybe then I could afford to buy a house in England in the future, maybe I wont have to toil, maybe I could afford respect....I just haven't got the heart.
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    Do you know what? I just haven't got it in me to profit from falsely building up the hopes of the vulnerable.
    How am I profiting?
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    Tim it would be helpful if you would learn to use the quote function when repeating someone elses words. Otherwise your posts become very confusing. I have amended your last post for you. All you need to do is to select the words and hit the 'Quote' button just above the text entry box.
    Alternatively hit the quote button on the post you wish to reply to, then edit the remarks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    How many years must she be on TV, and change so many people life, before you will except her as being real. How many different people must hug her before you understand it. Please fill free to find any science person you know, and have them visit her. Just make sure this science person has some out of body afterlife hanging around them.
    How many times does she and her like need to be exposed as frauds under every scientific scrutiny? before idiots get wise?


    I give you direction with my topic, that can be checked out, please fill free to try any thing you would like with Lisa Williams, because I can tell it comes natural to her, just like my ability comes natural to me.
    Do you know what? I just haven't got it in me to profit from falsely building up the hopes of the vulnerable.

    I so so wish I had.
    Maybe then I could afford to buy a house in England in the future, maybe I wont have to toil, maybe I could afford respect....I just haven't got the heart.
    Talk about selling something, that site you posted, has you every where, what is up with that?
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    Thank you for reading my thoughts,

    Why can't I be allowed to follow my dreams, if it lead me this direction?

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    Thank you for reading my thoughts,

    I was once asked to give evidence of out of body afterlife and I used medium Lisa Williams as that example.

    She just started her second season, and now she is doing live shows with people that swear by her. Until somebody can prove that she is not the real deal, she is evidence.

    Please take the time to watch the show and tell me what you think and also check out her comments as well.

    http://www.lifetimetv.com/on-tv/show...#comment-20735

    Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, but her timing to go with my idea is timeless and priceless.

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    Is a eye witness not evidence

    Some body who has the ability to see how this will play out in every direction, not some type of evidence?

    A woman who shows at times, things that can't be explain, has an ability, even though others can only imagine how she is doing it, not that she can, or that she might be doing it, or she has a ability to see pictures, that we don', even though some of us, as seen it in our thoughts for a short time from now and then, or at least once in our life. I believe the ability would have to be natural, because it goes away, when you try to analyze it at all, I just don't think she analyzes it like we do, she just goes with it, and takes it at face value, with no drama.

    I also think she uses some old stuff that she was trained as a child, just to keep her focused, but it looks fake to us, because we might of seen it before, but she also has a placebo effect, as a result of it, that she has tricked her inside thinking, in such a way, that it makes it happen, because it has always had the ability to do it.

    Tiger woods is good because of the type of professional training he got, Lisa is no different.

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    Halloween 2007, a right brain kind of day.

    Just imagine if we all spent one hour every year on this day, just focusing on this possibility of communicating with future out of body afterlife people just like us.

    This is not rocket science, or something out in outer space, but reality.


    Mr. King might of had the dream, but it takes all of us to make it happen.

    Like it or not, but this topic effects everyone of us and we ain't getting any younger. The last time I checked, we get older every second.

    I understand in the minds of some that they can explain away the possibility, but that is a mistake, unless you can explain away living inside energy right now, and the fact that the energy you are living in, can't be be destroyed.

    What is inside energy?

    Science does not know, and I do not know, but I am willing to find out if you are?

    What are you thinking about right now in your thoughts made out of energy?

    Nobody know but you.

    My idea is new, it's different, and it sounds strange, and I can understand that it might not be your cup of tea, but we still need to talk about it.

    To listen is one thing, but to be able to listen and communicate forever might even be better.

    Unless somebody in science is willing to come forward, and prove me wrong right now, then it is still a possibility.

    Now the amount of value you are willing to give it will depend on you.

    I'm sorry you can not see it, but you can feel it touching you.

    People will try and sell you anything, but only you can decide if you want to buy it or not.

    Either you know or you don't know, and that is reality.

    To be able to communicate on any level is a pleasure.

    To be able to communicate with one self is a pleasure

    To be able to communicate with others is a pleasure

    Everything after that depends on you!!!

    Thank you for reading my thoughts and have a safe Halloween,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Halloween 2007, a right brain kind of day.

    Just imagine if we all spent one hour every year on this day, just focusing on this possibility of communicating with future out of body afterlife people just like us.

    This is not rocket science, or something out in outer space, but reality.


    Mr. King might of had the dream, but it takes all of us to make it happen.

    Like it or not, but this topic effects everyone of us and we ain't getting any younger. The last time I checked, we get older every second.

    I understand in the minds of some that they can explain away the possibility, but that is a mistake, unless you can explain away living inside energy right now, and the fact that the energy you are living in, can't be be destroyed.

    What is inside energy?

    Science does not know, and I do not know, but I am willing to find out if you are?

    What are you thinking about right now in your thoughts made out of energy?

    Nobody know but you.

    My idea is new, it's different, and it sounds strange, and I can understand that it might not be your cup of tea, but we still need to talk about it.

    To listen is one thing, but to be able to listen and communicate forever might even be better.

    Unless somebody in science is willing to come forward, and prove me wrong right now, then it is still a possibility.

    Now the amount of value you are willing to give it will depend on you.

    I'm sorry you can not see it, but you can feel it touching you.

    People will try and sell you anything, but only you can decide if you want to buy it or not.

    Either you know or you don't know, and that is reality.

    To be able to communicate on any level is a pleasure.

    To be able to communicate with one self is a pleasure

    To be able to communicate with others is a pleasure

    Everything after that depends on you!!!

    Thank you for reading my thoughts and have a safe Halloween,

    Tim
    Dear Tim

    1. Happy Halloween to you too.

    2. Alas, if you replace the word 'energy' with the word 'faeces' in the paragraphs above it will make no differenece to their meaningfulness, or rather, meaninglessness.

    3. Syntactically correct, or gramamtical, statements need not be meaningful - see Chomsky.

    4. If you believe there is such a thing as 'inside energy', then the point is not to ask what it is, but whether it is, to begin with. Evidence is what we require here, not opinion.

    5. Why isn't this thread in the Pseudo-science forum?

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    Noam Chomsky:

    "As soon as questions of will or decision or reason or choice of action arise, human science is at a loss."

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...m_chomsky.html

    Is this true?
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    Thank you for reading thoughts,


    In 2005 science discovered that it could measure thought; in 2007, I say take it one step further, and see if we can measure out of body afterlife.

    This is not a stretch, because all the factors that has to do with my topic is there, and if it is not, we can shadow that in, like they talked about on Numbers last week.
    Just by cross training the patients that are training on the machines that read thought, we are saving so much time, money, because they are also learning how to use that machine with confidence, and that might play a bigger role in the experiment, because they know how to use the machine, they know where it will be located, so if they find there self in that position, they just might be able to will their self to this opportunity.

    In a time when everything like this would be expensive, I really cut out the middle man.

    Please reply back if you do not understand my blunt concept.

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    Have you never not woke up in your life time?


    If you found that you could still see and you still had normal thought after you die, what would you do to try and contact us?


    What options do you have now?

    We make sure we don't leave any kid behind in school, but we can't have a good back up plan in place, just in case one of these patients surprized you. Have you ever been surprized about some body efforts before?

    Making a difference in my idea is adding it with everything that works now, and give the patient different options to try.

    Medium Lisa Williams will be the nurse, helping to put curtain people in their place when the time is right and help to find what the truth is, and give it a try at some point in the future.

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    A fallacy is a component of an argument that is demonstrably flawed in its logic or form

    How is my idea to communicate with future out of body afterlife is flawed?

    I believe any part of science should be able to be explain with out having to be exact on the newest info, or wording, since the details do not play a role in this yet, because the big picture is possible, and the smaller parts of the puzzle is just as easy.


    Everything that has to do with this topic can be measured.

    We have real patients, we have a real machine that uses math to communicate with thought.

    This is not diving to the bottom of the ocean type of break through it is bigger than that, this in news that sets up my idea to happen as soon as we get the patients to try the idea.

    Don't be scared, please find the right people that deal with BrainGate, and tell them about my idea.

    During the whole time you were reading my thoughts, your energy continues to operate, inside your head like a ball is in a computer mouse.

    Having some freedom, but held back by red tape, because some can not see out side the box, and bring back the truth.

    They say that 10 percent of everybody alive right now will have an out of body experience at some point in their life, what is 10% of 6 billion people?

    Now this has been going on for a long time and it will continue in the future just like they say.

    Elton John and Bernie Tomlin made some good music together, and the chemistry they used was energy.

    You must use your right brain at all times to a point, just as you must use your left brain all the time to a point.

    Energy is pie to science, but a new world to the out of body afterlife.


    They have no way of contacting them because the whole field has so much prejudges about the topic in general.

    Please fill free to walk up to somebody and tell them that you believe it is possible as well.

    What would it hurt?

    Can you at least agree to disagree?

    What does it take to make you happy?

    Do we agree that energy can not be destroyed?

    You don't have to answer any of these questions if you already have your mind made up, or you think you know it all.
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    Communicating with nothing is the claim am making, and I am willing to take it to small claims Court close to my house and plead my case.

    I believe that there is enough information on my idea that it is worth making a decision in Court about it.

    I also believe that Lisa Williams also needs to be held accountable, and she could do that by taking on the million dollar challenge that is offered by the James Randi foundation, to anybody that can prove that they are a medium.

    This would help me with my idea, if she could get approved during the same time as well. It sure could save some time, what do you think?

    I believe we are at a time where a third party needs to put their input in on the matter, as far as I know this topic has never been to Court.
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    Hello science country world, and how are you today?


    I am always amazed how some people are so afraid to try something new, because they feel they might have to do something that might be painful.


    Rascal Flatt song:

    "What hurts the most is being so close!"


    The Government is spending 78 billion dollars on research and I can't even get considered for a possibility, that could happen today if some body wanted it to happen bad enough.

    I say you can't win and learn anything if you don't play and you might even lose bragging rights of making it happen first, if you don't start deciding at this time in history are you willing to take a chance on something that is as easy as cross training somebody on a new policy or procedure at work, making the whole plan so easy in it's mission, that it is done at a low cost, with all turn over, turning it into the future possibility. We then will be looking for a potential possibility.

    You would have no trouble right now of thinking of a gas station that you have been too, but can you tell me where you go now if you find yourself still having sight and thought after you die.

    Where do you go?

    I know when I was in that state, I was taking it easy, moving very slow and thinking about my options at the time. Now after my experience and more thought into the possibility, I come to you like they came to the people of New Orleans when they asked them to leave, but they stayed behind. so many things went wrong on that day, and the days to follow, but it was no surprise to me when the first bus to get to the Astro Dome was taken by somebody who had no time for red tape, but saw a need to help get people to safety, and I truly like to think that I am just another person like that.

    I want to get it going so we can start doing some good, because everybody comprehension skills will go up to a high that will only make this stronger, because the muscles involved with making this work as science has already shown, when they showed that the human body has the ability to do it, but the fact that it is very possible that their is a muscle right where this possibility happens, and I will let science figure that out with bits and pieces that I will throw out there from time to time, but it is a muscle just the same in my thoughts, and when you but into what I am saying, it will not be a option or something to be scared about with your option, because you know it to be true, and you will be a head of everybody else that plans on trying something else.

    My idea is about friction and how we will try and listen to what it is trying to do.

    We will treat this energy as though it is a customer, and we will go out of our way to listen to our customers.

    This will be the type of mind set we will use, with everything to do with this topic. My goal is to continue to paint more pictures because it is missing, and we have a lot of catching up to do.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts and throw something out there, I don't bite and I respect everything you have to say, even though I will still analyze it for a while before making any quick decisions.


    How can a person get bored at something he love to do?

    When he runs into silly red tape.


    Something to think about:

    My worst scenario, people finely figure out what I have been trying to say for years, right after I die of unhealthy life styles.

    Like it or not, but my topic is the next Wood stock of reality until it becomes reality, and that is fine as long as we know we are working toward something that might be possible.

    Example about how w will play this mental video game of this topic in our heads, go a head and take a breath if you are still holding on to everything I am saying.

    I don't even hold on half the time, but that is just me.

    To be honest with you, this topic really is boring, even though there are things we need to talk about.

    We need to send a feed back news wire out to get people feed back on the possibility, because people need to vent about it. It needs to be a skid right now on "Saturday Night Live"

    Here is some skids they could do on their show to help loosen people up about this possibility.


    God has always been wired up for business, he just ask for some royalty sales for keeping the faith all this time.

    Religion should like this skid, they make money toward good things in our communities and the places that need it around the world.

    We need to stop thinking what the Government needs to pay for, we need to open up all the possibilities and my vision grows every direction into everything that has all the value in the world, you!

    Do you live in energy?

    Do you think you would need as much energy to operate, if you were a small hologram of a possibility, and it might even get smaller than that, because you live in energy and energy can not be destroyed.


    What do you think?

    In my next post I will paint some puzzle pieces to this mind map.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts,
    Tim

    P.S. Let me know if you really want to know more about the puzzle pieces to this possibility, and how you can make the puzzle from th inside out, I would say 6 billion in side out people right now. If every one added to making this a no brainier way of thinking, then it will happen because my inner thoughts feel good about the natural ability of mind over matter, and in this case, it will be with a sensor that will check out their password and verify once and for all my dream is over and it is a reality in the making, and it is so easy, science could learn a thing or two about cross branding, because you can get more out of something if you first decide to do it.

    First puzzle piece:

    Inside something

    casual pressure

    grouping all back ground noise, with the option of doing detail stuff with it, if needed

    Inside energy blank

    Inside energy caring a human body around as substance of growth.

    The only pumpkin in the patch that has the ability to be the best fruit on the vine, and we go out of our way to bruise it up all the time on bad habits.


    The goal in life is not how good you live through your life but that you break off of the vine at some point and free your self for other possibilities.

    Regardless if a pumpkin gets taken care of or not, it has a requirement to turn out as a pumpkins.

    Can we alter energy?

    Can we create more energy with clutter?


    What would be the best clutter to make more energy?

    How much energy do we need?


    Besides meters that check changes in the room, what other ways can we do that?

    Can we rotate energy through a room reading every slice of information, expecting to find it, instead of thinking it wont be there.


    Making a sensor that a potential out of body afterlife could pass through instead of touching anything, maybe using lasers.


    Thought of the day:

    An Atom is pressure strong in a way that it was able to make a comfort zone that is second to none when you get to it, but it works so well when it knows what you want and when you need it, and yes they can make some noise, ex specially when they are respected as a true possibility, from Murphy Laws if nothing else.


    Do temperatures effect inner energy, I would have to think not, if it is connected to other inner energy.

    what is inner energy different temperatures

    What is our body inner energy temperature?


    What are the different levels of friction and what are their temperatures?

    Do some atoms still behave single to other atoms in ways that would represent motion, which in turn could show signs of human thought possibilities, but how could you even begin to try something like that with out working with the patients on what we want to try and how we want to try and communicate when some of that changes.

    We will play out everything from the inside out on this topic, and as you match it to other things on this Earth you will see that this possibility is quite possible.

    I would think that there are very few things on this Earth, that does on have a right or a left to it, a top or a bottom, or a front or a back to that as well and all the other outer fillings that go with that, and what ever else that makes up the outside of a pie, but good for you, you have always been able to cross over out of your body into this energy, you just did not know this, and getting back to the ten percent that have them, think about this for a second.


    Let's say that you are in this room with ten people, and you know that one of them is going to have an out of body experience.

    Would you ask all of them to learn more about the topic, because it could help people like me, or would you ignore the possibility, and just let things just keep going like they always have, or would you ask them to think about this or that while they are in this situation, and see if they are able to answer it some day.


    Example questions:

    Was it at night or was it during the day?

    Did your vision seam normal?

    were you able to read any print stuff?

    Do you feel you woke up in this experience and rode the ability right back into your body, if so was it like this or that, etc.

    Did you ever feel you touched something that you could not move, what was it?


    Just informing everybody about questions that they can think about just in case it does happen to them would be good information to get.


    Thank you for reading my thoughts,
    Tim


    All examples in this post at this time is just examples and thoughts to grow off of and come back with even better stuff.

    This topic is the future all science in one way or another, once the out of body after life gets their book deals, the only problem is where we will be at with product to demand.

    How much will each connection cost?

    One BrainGate per customer or what?

    (This also includes two big monitors for a better info each direction.)


    Really gotta go this time,

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    Tim, with all affection and personal respect, you are rambling.
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    Some might call it that, but I like to think of it as multi-tasking mind mapping.

    My intent is to bring awareness to this possibility, I will not lie, but it is up to you if you want me to keep it going or not

    I believe this topic needs to keep moving forward until all the questions are answered to everybody satisfaction, and they have a better understanding of what this is all about.

    Maybe I am crazy, or maybe I am not, but you better start working on something soon, because the next generation might be talking miss opportunities for communicating with the Baby Boom.


    If you are not sure, do it for the kids, because they just might not remember to do it for you. But if you have something in place, then you at least have a chance for a place to try, just in case you find your self in a situation that they did not think could happen, but if it turns out that it can, you really want to get something started now, just because it would be so easy to get it started now with very little effort.

    When did we decide as humans that we don't try new things anymore?


    Just in case I am on an island thinking about other things too much and some of you don't really know how is my idea is, please let me know, and we can go over it again until it is as easy as a phone script for anything else in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    My intent is to bring awareness to this possibility, I will not lie, but it is up to you if you want me to keep it going or not.
    I think you should keep it going. I think you are utterly mistaken in your belief. I don't think you are going to get anywhere with it. I don't believe you are approaching it in the right way.....
    But, I admire your enthusiasm and I respect your commitment. Others may find your plans more viable and worthwhile than I and you should have the opportunity to promote them, or at least attempt to explain them.
    I just thought your last post was just way too long and rambling and incoherent. Most people will not actually read it in its entirety and your message will be lost.

    Less is more.

    Good luck.
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    Dear Ophiolite,

    I thought my post was over the top as well, but I am lost sometimes why people don't get this topic as I do.

    Let's do a quick review of how I see it from my point of view.

    I believe myself to be of sound mind, so if I say that my out of body experience was real, I believe it to be, unless it can be prov en different, because that is the core value of that part of the argument.

    Now if I was the only person to ever have this happen too while in that state, that would be another thing, but just like the movie "miracle on Th street" when the lawyer tried to just offer a few letters as evidence that this person on trial is the only true Santa Clause. Sure they wanted more proof in the way of more letters that has gone through the U.S. Post office.

    My proof is the 10% of six billion people who will have this same type of experience at some point in their life.

    Now my experience in that situation has helped give me insight and empathy of how others could just as well be in that type of situation, and they are only as good with what we decide as humans has value.

    I have been there and I have seen my life from that side, just in case that would of been a one way ticket at the time.

    I am a introvert by nature, and I don't even know at times if I would want that much time alone.

    Was I wrong to think that way?

    Is that not natural?

    You go somewhere one time, like Home Depot, who has one of the strangest ways of letting you in and out of the building that I haver seen, even if you park by the enter doors, don't mean you will come out anywhere near that, well you don't forget those things, and then when you go there next time, you park where you can get the best results when you leave, least I do.

    I also believe you actually see the true nature of this topic being real, once you look at it as though it can be done, and how everything else falls in place with it. You can't really see that if you are trying to see it from the old perspective way of doing that.

    Example:

    Science knows that energy can not be made, destroyed, it can only change form.

    Let's analyze that from my experience; when I was floating around the room, I was still in energy and I was still functioning and I felt the size of my inner thoughts.

    I was quite aware when I was a above my body that I did not have my old body anymore, it was like living in a ball, and my eyes stayed level for
    the most part, as though that was expected.

    Now I have watched some crazy home video, where people can do some crazy things, but at no time did I feel this Ball of space I was occupying could roll completely around on it self, as in such a way that my sight at that time would notice.

    In other words, say you take a basketball and you paint two eyes on it.

    Now imagine this basketball has coordination ability inside it, where it can stay level. You can probally feel this ability if you move your head around slightly with just your thoughts, and if you can feel anything different while you are doing it, like the fact that it feels natural.

    Science this year has proved that our body has the ability to have out of body experiences, even though I don't think they still understand they did that.

    I use the example back then when they did that to a woman being tricked that she was pregnant, it does not matter if she is pregnant or not, it is the fact that you still have the ability to be, because your body has the ability to do that.

    Now so far we have touched on what got me thinking about the possibility, and then I saw the show about BrainGate.

    Here is a machine in fact, that can communicate with thought under a scull at this time. why, because they are close to where the responses are to friction of thought, and where they can do there best measuring to that fact.

    My idea for communicating with potential future out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured, and how cheep and simple it can be.

    Cross train the Patients of BrainGate on what you would like them to do with this experiment. If they happen to find them self in a position where they are playing out my idea, try and do this or that, but always keep the door of potential communication open, because we really did do our homework on this one.

    Science in the BrainGate field will be the first to tell you that they have got to the point where they are at on hunches, just as much as they are with the science they use, and sure it is normal for them to try it with apes before they use it on humans, and has happy as they have been with a lot of their results, all I am asking is that they take it to the next process past apes and humans, a place where a trained past patient of the same machine will get an opportunity to try something that has never been tried this way before, and I am also counting on the fact that we are going to give these patients more positive support that if there energy can make this jump from human to out of body afterlife, that we will not question it, and let the patient actually show us how close we really are to this type of technology.

    What are my odds if they put everything in place with just the simple BrainGate machine, with out all the other sensors, or morale support, like from famous recorded celebrities who will come visit them and keep there energy level high?

    You name it, even the guy in Vegas who plays the head guy on CSI, a show that is always looking for the facts, has an actor running the show who has admitted to having an out of body experience, now what is the odds of that, or the research into people who have been in this state with out oxygen, but can come back to earth and have a genius I.Q. and sure I could go on, but the string is getting long again,
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    "Do I have proof that my idea will work?"

    My free experiment is my proof, now you have to ask your self, what it is going to take on your part , to help me set it up for you?

    Can you move over some silly red tape?

    What is it going to hurt, now that you know?


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    I believe myself to be of sound mind, so if I say that my out of body experience was real, I believe it to be, unless it can be proven different, because that is the core value of that part of the argument.
    Let me address this single point.

    I also believe I am of sound mind, if somewhat eccentric. I wonder if you believe in ghosts. I have seem ghosts on two occassions. In both instances they were within six feet of me and remained visible for between ten and thirty seconds.
    Does this mean I believe in ghosts as being spirits of the departed? Absolutely not. These were hallucinations. The first arose two days after I had read a passage of a book on sleep. In it the author spoke of how people might see 'ghosts' when waking from sleep, but not fully awake. It occured to me that this would be interesting. I then promptly forgot about it. Two nights later I saw the first ghost.

    So, I have no doubt you had an out of body experience, just as I have no doubt that I saw a ghost. Equally, I have no doubt my ghost was a product of my brain, just as I think your out of body experience was the product of your brain. Neither provides evidence for life after death. You are porposing an experiment to investigate what I consider is already adequately explained by conventional science. Why, then, should I waste any time in considering it.
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    "You are proposing an experiment to investigate what I consider is already adequately explained by conventional science."

    What is Conventional science adequate explanation?
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    Ophiolite:

    "You are proposing an experiment to investigate what I consider is already adequately explained by conventional science."

    What is Conventional science adequate explanation?
    He said it was a hallucination, Tim.
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    That is the best explanation that science has?

    10% of all the people on the Earth is going to have the same dream at some point in there life. Probably during a time when there body would
    appear to be in harms way. What is the odds of that alone, that they will all experience the same type of dream?

    It is quite obvious that we need more research in this field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    That is the best explanation that science has?
    It is the best explnation for one category of ghost.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    10% of all the people on the Earth is going to have the same dream at some point in there life. Probably during a time when there body would appear to be in harms way. What is the odds of that alone, that they will all experience the same type of dream?
    When conscious and threatened what does any animal, including humans, do? Fight, flight, or freeze. Now what are the odds on that? Animals, not just humans, react with one of three basic behviours. Wow! amazing. How could that be?
    Well of course it could be very easily, because that is how we evolved.
    We have research already that tells us that when the brain is hutting down many of us will see a bright light at the end of a tunnel, and that others will have an out of body experience. Why? Because that is how we evolved. Put similar brains under similar conditions and they will react in similar ways. This is no great mystery.
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    I like your way of thinking about that, but also include some other things as well as Pain and pleasure.

    Our energy that can not be destroyed, decides that it wants to perceive pleasure as it point of reference, a place where it consistently keeps of thinking better than anything human made, it does not do this on average, because it thinks it is funny. It has a plan to connect with something when it leaves our body, and it knows that we will come along with it on this journey, or at least the possibility of doing this.

    I can visualize a lot of past relatives right now, and sure with the time you will have to think about this possibility, and how you leave your body is really quite easy.

    I see a light now from time to time. I kind of use it as a guide line to this topic. If it is grinning, I'm winning!

    I once heard that is you put a sea shell to your ear, you could hear a noise, that was caused by your blood pressure. If that is true, I must be dead, because I don't hear the noise anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Ophiolite:

    "You are proposing an experiment to investigate what I consider is already adequately explained by conventional science."

    What is Conventional science adequate explanation?
    Explained ?

    I realise that OBE affects were reproduced recently but I dont think they've been explained .

    Perhaps my definition is different but if you can explain something you should know how it works hence be able to reproduce it.

    Although this experiment done by some Swedish Professor in London did reproduce elements it was not as I understand a full body OBE or anything that has been " explained " to the point it can be used.

    Maybe you know something different than I do, but as far as I know that the closest science has come to explaining this by means of reproduction.

    I cant confirm that and dont intend to Im just saying that OBEs still have not been understood yet .

    If they were then Im quite sure we all should be capable of doing it, or at least knowing why not.
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    It is one thing to hear that science will some day figure out how to do this or that, and knowing it will probably never happen in your life time. I don't have a problem with most of that, but when you don't have a reality back up plan in place, and some body comes along and offers one, why would you not consider it. ex specially when it is free and if the human red tape is removed from the idea, it could happen in our life time?

    I don't even have a problem with that, but not to have least have a back up plan where to meet, if we do find out later after you are gone, that we did not have a pre-set place to meet to make sure you qualify, with information you were given in the past, escapes me.

    It makes just as much sense to have a school fire drill as it is to have an out of body afterlife communication back up plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    It is one thing to hear that science will some day figure out how to do this or that, and knowing it will probably never happen in your life time. I don't have a problem with most of that, but when you don't have a reality back up plan in place, and some body comes along and offers one, why would you not consider it. ex specially when it is free and if the human red tape is removed from the idea, it could happen in our life time?

    I don't even have a problem with that, but not to have least have a back up plan where to meet, if we do find out later after you are gone, that we did not have a pre-set place to meet to make sure you qualify, with information you were given in the past, escapes me.

    It makes just as much sense to have a school fire drill as it is to have an out of body afterlife communication back up plan.
    The reason no one will do anything is because their scared .

    Its basically FEAR that governs their reason whether its to cash in on their government research grant or the fear of getting ridiculed by the peers.

    You know ego is precious thing ,judging from reactions Ive seen on this board and elsewhere I think some of them would rather almost kill themselves than admit you were right or they were wrong.

    If you want proof this sad need to exploit themselves and fear please note the poster with svwillamer ( aka hedgehog )who has made 2 pointless posts since I made my own , perhaps to distract any interest to your cause or mine.

    This is the very same person with about the emotional intelligance of 2 yr old who is reacting to my post or yours as though they were threats of some kind when in fact we're only doing the very thing they do themselves i.e. QUESTION
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    How can we get past this ego thing?
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    Dear Santa,

    I have really been good this year, could you check and see if somebody would make a page about this topic "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities" in the Wikipedia free Encyclopedia for Christmas.

    Thank you Santa, and you can communicate with me about that positive possibility anytime,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    How can we get past this ego thing?
    You cant its human nature to feel justified in themselves through thoughts and actions , as if some self affirming mantra that reminds them of who they are .

    When someone chooses to believe something that their life and very reason for being is built and depends on they will always come first.

    Tim , with all due respect I think you are wasting your time here .

    Even their faults which are plain to see would not be seen by vast majority because they use the very same reasons to justify themselves .

    Im not sure what to suggest other than to look elsewhere for those who research into similiar things.

    Fortean times might be worth a look it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Dear Santa,

    I have really been good this year, could you check and see if somebody would make a page about this topic "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities" in the Wikipedia free Encyclopedia for Christmas.

    Thank you Santa, and you can communicate with me about that positive possibility anytime,

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    Have you considered starting up your own wiki site. They are like mini wiki blogs.

    sciforums.com has one for their forum. http://www.sciforums.com/encyclopedia/Main_Page

    I'm not sure how they are set up, but can't be hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Dear Santa,

    I have really been good this year, could you check and see if somebody would make a page about this topic "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities" in the Wikipedia free Encyclopedia for Christmas.

    Thank you Santa, and you can communicate with me about that positive possibility anytime,

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    Im afraid Santa is one n misplaced for Satan , though hes not as bad some people may think I dont think he agrees with Christian dogmatics i.e. their own self perception of themselves equates going to some special place where
    they will live happily ever after .

    Chirstian who faith in this supposed truth is further questioned by their intolerance towards other faiths that might cast doubt on their own, just ask a Native American if you can find one.
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    Are you guys even on the same flipn topic anymore? The past dozen or so pages have had little or no worthwhile content in them. Can we get this bicker-fest wrapped up already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Are you guys even on the same flipn topic anymore? The past dozen or so pages have had little or no worthwhile content in them. Can we get this bicker-fest wrapped up already?
    Well that depends on what you consider worthwhile doesnt it ?

    Some people like bit of rough sex I suppose as wise man once told me.
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    Thank you Theoryofrelativity for that information.

    What would my idea hurt?

    Who would my idea hurt?

    What is the down side of going a head with this possibility.

    What is the down side of me being the spoke person for the idea that I have been following. every baby step I take, I hear negativity toward my character, my intelligence, and everything else, but what I am not hearing, is any field of science that is going on record that this possibility is not possible.

    You live in energy, there is a right or left to almost everything if you break it down.

    I can sit here all day and watch my finger nails grow, and not stop it, and if I accidentally cut myself, I can watch my body repair it.

    My inner thoughts was the one who decides how to take me out of pain and into pleasure, and when it comes to this topic, it has no concerns, because you are showing with your actions that you don't want this possibility who might offer it.

    If you really want it, then you should go out of your way to try and make me look good, and if by some strange reason I turn out to be good, then it just might be a win, win, situation for all of us, if you really want this to happen, but to go on and on that it can not happen, when you don't go on record proving why it can not happen, makes you really look out of place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Dear Santa,

    I have really been good this year, could you check and see if somebody would make a page about this topic "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities" in the Wikipedia free Encyclopedia for Christmas.

    Thank you Santa, and you can communicate with me about that positive possibility anytime,

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    Have you considered starting up your own wiki site. They are like mini wiki blogs.

    sciforums.com has one for their forum. http://www.sciforums.com/encyclopedia/Main_Page

    I'm not sure how they are set up, but can't be hard.
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    I think this is something somebody else has to do, I am too close to the topic, to make a fair argument and I would not want to do that, but at some point you have to just decide for your self if my idea looks good on the shelf, after the government gets it's fair share, and all the new jobs as a result of having a reality purpose, toward a possibility that still exist, and to continue to be years behind, only opens us up for other things that we might be doing wrong, but the ultimate pleasure will always out weigh any negativity, because as a will, we have the wave, and now we need to measure our wave against other friction possibilities. This topic crosses over different fields of science, which makes it different, but at the same time, if it is put in place right, this possibility will just become a part of everything else we are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    I think this is something somebody else has to do, I am too close to the topic, to make a fair argument and I would not want to do that, but at some point you have to just decide for your self if my idea looks good on the shelf, after the government gets it's fair share, and all the new jobs as a result of having a reality purpose, toward a possibility that still exist, and to continue to be years behind, only opens us up for other things that we might be doing wrong, but the ultimate pleasure will always out weigh any negativity, because as a will, we have the wave, and now we need to measure our wave against other friction possibilities. This topic crosses over different fields of science, which makes it different, but at the same time, if it is put in place right, this possibility will just become a part of everything else we are doing.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts,
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    No offence Tim but you need to really strip down what it is your saying.

    Your passionate about something and want to make a point about OBE's you need evidence .

    There are places and folk you could contact to do this who do research , but with all due respect, unless your more specific , I doubt they will even reply.
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    You are right, I need to come up with a keep it simple media speech and kit,

    People worry when they get mix messages about something like this anyway, and when that usually happens, they usually go with the same old thing, because it is reliable, and they are too tired to think about it anyway, and it just sounds like it is too over the top to be real.

    My goal is to inform people about this possibility, and then they can decide if they want to do it or not.
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    Is there a right and left to everything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Brewer
    Is there a right and left to everything?

    there is where you are human
    a galatic storyteller
    with your heart as the ink
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpicojr
    No, the heart is merely the inkwell.
    Well now, that depends upon your choice of uniform
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    Google "wake induced lucid dreaming"
    to learn how to induce an out of body experience while laying in your bed.
    I've been studying these phenomena for a while.
    I don't understand what your intentions are, Tim.

    There is so much more going on all around and through us at all times that many of us are completely ignorant and unaware of.

    What causes an OBE?
    Certain brain states,
    and I can effectively induce OBE's by literally LOOKING UP with my eyes while in the right state of mind. (completely sober, mind you)

    It feels like I'm being blasted off above me,
    and when I return, it's an intense zoom.
    I can go in and out of my head by controlling my eyes.
    This corresponds with hindu yogic techniques taught for thousands of years.

    Sometimes OBE's are really the opposite, inverted, inside of you.
    Our third eye that sees and hears our thoughts can be moved.

    It's like trying to explain music.

    I have a lot of fun with consciousness, and don't take it too seriously.
    so far, science hasn't caught up with these simple amazing techniques.

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    Thank you for reading my thoughts,

    Hello Science, thank you for viewing this topic as much as you have.

    Like it or not, but I am the Hellen Keller of this possibility, and she is probally better at explaining it than I am.

    I want to thank you for sticking it out with me all this time.

    have used you to explain to me why it is not possible to do what I feel is possible, and you have come up short in that area, so I question that from so many different paradigms as well.

    I believe if energy could be destroyed, that science would be naturally right on this topic when it comes to the possibility that there could be an afterlife, but that is not the way it is, and that is why it don't work for science in this field so far.

    In life at any given time, a right direction wrong direction thing can happen.

    I have always called it the moment of truth long before we got this new show.


    You have the past, you have the future, but the moment of truth is now, with what we have to work with.

    We have so much stuff to work with onmy topic, that I have no doubt that my idea will work, and it might even work better than I expected.

    Quick review:


    I have an idea on how we can communicate with patients of BrainGate, the machine that can take your energy, or friction, and change it in to commands that can be use for different things. We are going to take these patients and see if they would be interested in trying my idea.


    My goal right now is to do the whole experiment for free.

    I will ask the patients if they are interested, and if they are, I would like them to do it for free.

    I will train them for free as well


    The only cost at this time, that would step out of this way of cross training is this. The people of BrainGate allow the patients 24 hours of free time with the machine after they die, just to see if my idea will work.

    Yes the answer that I am offering can not happen today, but when the patients die of natural causes.

    I also am taking into consideration that the possibility that one of the BrainGate patients in the future, if not now, might have an out of body experience at some point in their life, or has already had one, and it has not come out in detail for some reason.

    Maybe part of my inner thoughts are nothing more than the first patient of BrainGate channeling back through me that this is possible. If that is the case, he ain't saying one way or another, but thought about it a bit, probally comparing notes.

    The first patient of BrainGate, who made it happen back in 2005, is not alive anymore, died of something, other than using the machine, but he never did get his chance at being the first to try my idea, with all the bells and whistles I am talking about.

    Now once the patients have gotten good at learning how to use BrainGate, we will then have the best option on the table.


    Now we must plant the sensor inside the brain, but in my situation, we just have to adjust the sensor to space, and place in a way that they will have free access to a monitor.

    Sure this might sound like taking the old movie Harvey to the next level, but to do it correctly, you must be positive and be focusesd on fixing any problem that we might come in contact with.

    Somebody might think you will see something when they start operating the action on the monitor, but you will see no more than what you see with the invisible force, except the answers will be in friction and math.

    Now will they be even slower than what they are doing now, by placing it by the sckull, I don't know, and I think both sides of the tug-a rope will agree on that.

    They don't know if it is slow, or moving faster than anybody could ever imagine, only time will tell.

    My goal is to inform and train as many patients that will allow me to do it.


    Does it sound crazy, sure change always do, and yes to get better on the visualizing, you have to have a passion, because you are not just doing it for your self, as a future potential possibility, but a chance for the other side to help i changing the meaning in dead, and you can't take it with you.

    No laws in science will be broken, but just some english stuff, and I was never any good at it anyway.


    We live in energy, i know it anyway, and science saids energy can not be destroyed, now they don't know if your thoughts can stay in tack, and that is what I am hoping will be one of the things we can find out while exploring this possibility.

    what some call angels, I call out of body afterlife people. It is not that I am off fro what others are thinking, but that I express it in different words.

    Some say I must prove curtain parts of my idea, before I could even think of trying my idea.

    they protect the door to this opportunity as though I have stepped on something that is unheard of, but i don't see it that way.

    I believe that you have to forget everything about this idea before 2005, and look at what we have now.

    A machine that is made to do what I am asking for.

    Because in the worst senerio of this possibility, other than there is no possibility, is the fact that it is free, and what would it hurt not to try it.

    Could they be better off if my idea works?

    I would have to think yes.

    What would they lose if my idea don't work.

    I'm clueless on this one.

    Hopefully a better quick review.

    My idea came to me from my inner thoughts, the same ones that keep me alive everyday, the one that takes me out of pain and into pleasure.

    If I mess up and hurt myself by not being in focus with my inner thoughts, things can happen, like acidently cutting myself. My inner thoughts make sure that gets fixed as well.

    Do not underestimate what your inner thoughts are trying to do to make your life better.

    This topic is like a spin off from fantacy Football, it should be called fantacy back up plan.

    Most great things were based on fantacy, and then the right tools are there, it is turned into a possibility.

    That is what my idea is all about for now, because we have not done it yet, and that is the only reason, because it can be done, if the red tape is taken away, and I am given a chance to inform the patients on the idea.

    After that, everything else falls under foowing out their wiches, and leave it at that.

    At some poit the media will step in and see how it affects their ratings, and take it from there.

    My expectations at this point is that of somebody expecting the worst and taking it fro there.

    Example:

    I could possibly answer their questions correctly, and then the remarks they make during the filming that I do not have control on, and that might be what makes it happen or not.

    I believe alot of people's inner thoughts have conneced to this idea, because it is natural.

    I watched that show The mment of truth tonight, and listened to a natural man answer is questions the way his life is, right or wrong, and he was willing to go all the way to do that, because that was what he believed, now the family swayed him to qiut and he did, but he stood for something as I am doing now.


    Please remember, regardless what you think of me, this topic is bigger than me, and all i cando right now, is go on and on about it until somebody else can provide a better answer or solution.

    Here are some pain and pleasure questions:
    (Please fill fre to answer them differently if you like. I don't control anybody, you are more thanwelcome to look at anything different than i do, but if you can't find a better % to lean toward, why not try my idea?


    What would it hurt to try my idea?

    (none that I can think of)

    What is in it for you if you can do it?

    The satisfaction of knowing that my inner thoughts have taken me out of pain and back into pleasure and hopefully before I die.

    Less nights of staying up late analyzing, instead I can take that energy and place it toward us setting the opportunity up right.

    where I come from, we use to follow the Brewer's Playbook, and when somebody does something special like intercept a pass from the other team, or allowed to be the qoarterback, and you get to have more say in theplanning, because you hepled with them getting where they are today.

    Now I don't know if my inner thoughts change as a result of this, or if they start to change because of what I have already done in this field, but only time will tell.

    Everythingin life happens for a reason, and now we have me.

    A man who can type all night long, and you still don't have a clue what he said, but he sure does seam to have a passion for wanting to try is free idea, and is it possible. Science can't say one way or the other, and i claim it comes before religion, and throw everything out before 2005, because it's time is not there yet.

    Replace it with this.

    Either you know or you don't know, what is it, and what will it cost to decide right now, with right now time stamp where we are at with it, and take it from there.

    Side bar:

    Why is it that this machune has so much value that you can not buy it, but we wasted no time putting one in China?

    What is the odds that they won't give that machine the time of day.

    Thank you for reading my thoughts, and I am sorry I see in pictures, and I try and write every thousand words for every picture, I swear somebody told me they are worth a thousand words, my mistake.


    So who is in favoe of us exploring this free idea more?

    Please weigh in on a poll or something.

    I would think if one person was interested, that it would be enough to explore, and I would be more than glad to get it started, and I am more than glad to listen to somebody explain to me that the red tape will never change for me, because I am a pizza maker, and not a science person, and be done with it, because this country was not built on people chasing their dreams, or anything like that.

    we just do that to keep you out of trouble, not for you to relly buy into it, trying to change things.

    Sure I get confused about the different messages I hear, but it seams to me, sinse we are the tax payer, and it i an election year, just because you are not listing to Tim, maybe you should, because Tim might have some short comings in some area's, he also shows some real American Idol material as well, and i he thinks we can do it throuh a common sense aproach with all the touchy feely you would want to be around, then this idea will work, because whenpeople do believe in a concept, be it Mcdonalds, or the choke and puke, their results will show in their passion for true results, and in the end, between having no control coming into this world, and having no control when you leave, but with this free idea, you could make a difference while you are here.

    In closing:

    Please fill free to let me know how you weigh in on my thoughts about this topic, and if I should go on or not about it.

    Tim
    My electrical thoughts have taken me out of pain and into pleasure all of my life, so when it speaks, I listen.
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    "difficulty communicating with the written word."

    I will be the first to say this is true, and that is why I need to be placing a situation to talk about it, not write about it.

    You bring up some good information, and I will try and answer them before I have to take my one of my kids some where soon.

    I am not trying to re-invent the wheel here, but give it more focus and better direction.

    BrainGate has already established that it can work.

    It can help people do things with just their thoughts only.

    All I am really doing is taking that idea one step further, and trying to do the same thing after death a we know it.

    In base ball you would call that follow through.

    I believe that the core of BrainGate has to do with friction and math, and the difference in where the placement of their sensor must be in both situations.

    In humans next to the skull, but it will be out in the open for potential out of body afterlife patients.

    What I feel is the strong point of my idea:

    I feel it all can be measured

    I believe when I was in an out of body situation, that this idea would be our best option.

    The machine communicates with thought, the only thing you will have to communicate in an out of body state, would be your thoughts, if you believe the concept or not.

    To save money and time, is to use the people that are already using the machine now.

    If they are willing to do it for free, you save money.

    We will be making out on their experience
    we will be making out on the fact that we will have a plan a head of time. One that will go into play when the situation shows it self at some point in the future.

    I am only asking for 24 hours after they die of natural causes to try this idea, and that is only if the patient is willing to try the idea from the get go, in other words it will only be in their wishes to try this.

    We are already paying taxes for the machine and research right now, so we should be able to have a little say in the idea, and it is something we need to check for Homeland Security any way, just in case it can work.


    I believe that the will of humans who are focused on something can do great things, and I also feel the patients will take this idea to great heights, if we support it correctly, and support them everyday for what they could be doing.

    We don't know, but we don't know both directions with this topic.

    Bottom Line::

    It is a wait and see free idea based on focus with a plan.
    Got to go,
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    I believe the only way this idea or any idea will work, is by supporting it 100%, until you make it happen, or you decide to place it on hold, until more can be done to decide it's out come.

    More details:

    I will need an opportunity to bond with the patients of BrainGate, and see if they would be interested in trying my idea.

    If one of them or more would like to tr it, then we do the things we need to do, to help them with their efforts, but they have to be on board with the idea.

    Red tape to what they are doing now, will need to be tweaked just a bit, for such a experiment like this, and there is always some type of red tape.

    My role will be in charge of making the operations of this idea work.

    To train the patients on what we are expecting them to do.

    We will be giving them pass words that they can use in this state, so we can measure it.

    The main thing the patients need to do right now, is what they are already doing, and that is getting better with BrainGate.

    The patients experience in this field will be part of the key.

    The patient knowing a head of time where the machine will absolutely be waiting for them in this situation will be the key.

    I am also counting on this field of science even being better than it is now, at the time of trying it a well.

    This is another thing that they are already doing, and we might be able to benefit from that as well, as long as we keep up on that a well.

    This idea is also counting on more support by different people as it gets closer to it's moment of truth, when we might get that first response from the patient.

    Why is the patient so important?

    This give us the opportunity to try and place somebody in a place that we can not find at this time, or if we have, we can at least have somebody their with experience with the machine and with what we are wanting them to do.

    will you see anything when it happens, other than what you will see on the monitor?

    No, this is not going to be a visual thing in space, but a connection with thought energy.

    I am betting that afterlife thought can touch the surface of what we want them to do, a lot better than us trying to find them.

    What other type of details would you like to know?

    I believe that we live inside energy, and energy can not be destroyed as science saids, and I hope this idea of mine will support that theory by science once and for all.

    All that I have just spoke of comes right off the top of my head, but like any idea, it is only as good as the effort you place in it.

    We could sit here all day and assume why it might not work, or why it will work, but the idea is practical, and it can be done for free, so what not try it?

    i am also counting on the fact that the 60 million people who will have an out of body experience at some point in life, is just part of my bigger picture, because just like wet dreams, they mean something, and this something has aways been a constance in this field, so just maybe, out inner energy thoughts does have a plan when the body gives out, and we just need to play out this idea and see if we are closer to unraveling this mystery with what new tools we have to work with.

    Where could we be in a year?

    The patients agree to the idea, and I drive to Boston and train them, then they continue to live their life like they always have.

    Where do I see it after 100 years if we are still focused on it?

    You tell me if you want to know that.

    What has been my biggest challenge yet?

    Trying to explain the concept from start to finish.

    Please fill free to ask more questions.

    this idea is not about ME, this idea is for you, please don't sell this idea short, because if I am right, and I might, this is the only way I can see that you have a chance of communicating back to humans, with out all t
    the other ways people think it is being done now.

    We could find out once and for all how good these mediums like Lisa Williams really-is, or did God get put in this state, and he will be the one to answer the first call, what ever you think might happen, could, but if we don't like the results at the time, we can always unplug the machine.

    Got to hit the road again.,

    Thank you,
    Tim
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    and to think I was the only one focused on this issue.

    http://www.esalenctr.org/display/sbd07.htm


    Check out my space pictures if you get a chance. I will be getting new ones from time to time.

    Thank you, Tim
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